Mosque at Ground Zero

Originally posted by GameWinner
Diversity is what makes America great. While I can understand how some people might be skeptical of the idea of a Mosque at Ground Zero, I believe it will send a message to the world about America's values. We have always been a nation founded on Individual Rights and Freedoms (including religion).

What message?

A Mosque at ground zero.

man there is a song title for ya

9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, per se...it was all a big cover up by.........the ILLUMINATI. A mosque is just a way for the world's elite to continue that deception.

lol

if they want to build a mosque there they should be allowed to - if the governmet starts denying people the right to worship as they please then its a clear sign that the terrorists have one.

You know, the best thing about this debate?

They aren't building a mosque at Ground Zero. They never were planning to. That was all just made up by people looking for something to complain about. They're opening an Islamic community center a few blocks away in an old privately-owned building.

Ditto

Americans love to s*itting themselves up

If you deny right of worship to one group, I suspect they can do it to others....which goes against constitution.

The US constitution made for and by White Americans in truth.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Islam didn't destroy the towers, so I don't really care.

Originally posted by politicsguy
if they want to build a mosque there they should be allowed to - if the governmet starts denying people the right to worship as they please then its a clear sign that the terrorists have one.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If you deny right of worship to one group, I suspect they can do it to others....which goes against constitution.

Originally posted by Peach
You know, the best thing about this debate?

They aren't building a mosque at Ground Zero. They never were planning to. That was all just made up by people looking for something to complain about. They're opening an Islamic community center a few blocks away in an old privately-owned building.

All this ^ [/THREAD]

let them build it, like someone said it wasn't islam that attacked the towers.

Originally posted by majid86
The US constitution made for and by White Americans in truth.

well no. i think you are confusing truth with fact. The fact is that it was written by white americans for white americans. That's the fact, but it isn't the truth. it's an overly simplistic way to look at it because you have to put it in context to determine the true intent of the the writers of the constitution. Because they did not live in a world that involved muslims or gays or any minority having equal rights for that matter. there was no precedent for it as it did not exist. the thought of extending rights to blacks or gays or muslims would not have occurred to the founders of our country. however, the covered themselves because they knew they hadn't accounted for everything which is why the exact reading of the constitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

So, it doesn't matter that they had not thought of non-whites because the first amendment is broad enough to protect the faiths of all people (even those who were not considered to be people at the time)

Therefore, the constitution protects the rights of all americans,no matter who or what they are. So again, to articulate the difference between fact and truth, the fact is that most rights of americans should be reserved only for upper class white males, however, this would be in total conflict with the moral truths of the constitution which espouse values such as equality and inclusion.

This practice of interpretation is called hermeneutics and its the way practically everyone interprets old texts. its this type of interpretation that allows people to practice christianity without keeping slaves, or for that matter islam without killing infidels, because people who practice those faiths have gone beyond the facts of what is said and instead find the moral truths.

so you are actually totally wrong. The constitution was in fact written by white americans for white americans, but that ain't the truth, and everyone knows it.

Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
True, but Islamists DID.

Those weren't Muslims, those were lunatics.

And anyway, I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not used by terrorists.

I love these issues....I love that we a black man as president. Why?
Because it brings ppl off the fence and from behind their veils. This past year we are finally beginning to see the true heart of many ppl. We have a disastrous economy due to extreme greed but we choose to play the blame game, which is what "those who sit above in shadow" (lol) want us to do. My fear is that our base nature to hate is only beginning to be revealed...i.e. the cabby in New York being stabbed....the black guy being accosted at "ground zero". But why do I love these things...well I'm hoping that enough of us will recognize hate for what it is and stop making excuses to give in to it.

Originally posted by Radical
Those weren't Muslims, those were lunatics.

And anyway, I don't see a problem with it as long as it's not used by terrorists.

The problem with your point is that Osama bin Laden and his like do not consider themselves to be terrorists.

Are you insinuating that all Muslims are terrorists, hence it will inevitably be used by terrorists?

Originally posted by Kinneary
Are you insinuating that all Muslims are terrorists, hence it will inevitably be used by terrorists?

No. However, Osama bin Laden and his like do not consider themselves to be terrorists. Do you dispute that?

It is just like using the word innocent. Osama bin Laden declared that all US citizens, who pay taxes, are not innocent. That means, from the point of view of Osama bin Laden, no innocent US citizen died on 9-11.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. However, Osama bin Laden and his like do not consider themselves to be terrorists. Do you dispute that?

maybe. he wouldn't dispute that he is using the tactic of terror to further his political goals.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is just like using the word innocent. Osama bin Laden declared that all US citizens, who pay taxes, are not innocent. That means, from the point of view of Osama bin Laden, no innocent US citizen died on 9-11.

about 300 visiting Yemeni school children were also killed in the attacks. this fact was, allegedly, incredibly important when interrogating the planners. at least one is said to have changed his opinion of the operation in light of this.

Originally posted by inimalist
maybe. he wouldn't dispute that he is using the tactic of terror to further his political goals.

Is the "he" in your statement the person I was talking about, Osama bin Laden, or the person I was talking too, Kinneary?

Originally posted by inimalist
about 300 visiting Yemeni school children were also killed in the attacks. this fact was, allegedly, incredibly important when interrogating the planners. at least one is said to have changed his opinion of the operation in light of this.

Interesting.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is the "he" in your statement the person I was talking about, Osama bin Laden, or the person I was talking too, Kinneary?

OBL. jihadi groups are very aware of their tactics. attacks are planned to maximize the psychological impact.