Originally posted by 753but he created them with just a fraction of his power then he created demogorge with another fraction, i think he is above elder god level
He's certainly the strongest of the elder gods, but i would still place him at an elder god level.
if a skyfather created multiple skyfathers under his own power then he is definitely above skyfather
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
but he created them with just a fraction of his power then he created demogorge with another fraction, i think he is above elder god levelif a skyfather created multiple skyfathers under his own power then he is definitely above skyfather
Are you saying Amadeus Cho is potentially above skyfather? 😱
Chaos War #3 advance preview:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28873
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I'm sorry Gammatards, but Pak is a bit awful when he isn't writing a joke Hercules buddy book. The first page where Hercules' commands the Heroes was horrible. Albeit it was pretty amusing.Still, it''d be worth it for the potential beat down Galactus might possibly receive. If he gets his ass handed to him, I think it's the end of the line for the big guy.
Thor might have been knocked around but Surfer is literally f*cking useless in those scenes. Hopefully the two biggest guns will kick it up a notch.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Chaos War #3 advance preview:http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28873
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I'm sorry Gammatards, but Pak is a bit awful when he isn't writing a joke Hercules buddy book. The first page where Hercules' commands the Heroes was horrible. Albeit it was pretty amusing.Still, it''d be worth it for the potential beat down Galactus might possibly receive. If he gets his ass handed to him, I think it's the end of the line for the big guy.
Thor might have been knocked around but Surfer is literally f*cking useless in those scenes. Hopefully the two biggest guns will kick it up a notch.
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They just had a Galactus one shot Thor. Even if he gets one shotted, his character isn't done (like Thor). Plus, they aren't mere skyfathers, and Galactus implied that they're (skyfathers) pussies to him anyway. 🙂Either way, Galactus getting beat up is to be expected here. This is afterall, Pak.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebSpoiler:
They just had a Galactus one shot Thor.
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When did Galactus one shot Thor? I haven't had the chance to read the latest Avenger's issue but from what I heard -read- Galactus blasts Thor -using his eyes I believe- which cause Thor to drop to ground level and then we see Thor getting back immediately. From the description I read, the blast seemed to do nothing more than stun Thor. At best it was a very brief knock out.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebSpoiler:
Even if he gets one shotted, his character isn't done (like Thor).
Hahahaha
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebSpoiler:
Plus, they aren't mere skyfathers, and Galactus implied that they're (skyfathers) pussies to him anyway. 🙂Either way, Galactus getting beat up is to be expected here. This is afterall, Pak.
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What? And a big hearty lulz to the second part. What Galactus said doesn't mean or prove shit. Characters have made similar exclamations multiple times in the past when surprised by the power of an opponent they have underestimated only to get their asses kicked.Galactus' only saving grace is the possibility that Zeus is amped. Ares is. If Zeus isn't and Galan gets his ass kicked, it's basically the end of the line for Galactus.
Pak doesn't hold Skyfathers in high regard from what I can tell however.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLooked more like Thor was just holding himself up to be honest, and Galactus was about to blast him again to finish him off.Spoiler:
When did Galactus one shot Thor? I haven't had the chance to read the latest Avenger's issue but from what I heard -read- Galactus blasts Thor -using his eyes I believe- which cause Thor to drop to ground level and then we see Thor getting back immediately. From the description I read, the blast seemed to do nothing more than stun Thor. At best it was a very brief knock out.Hahahaha
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What? And a big hearty lulz to the second part. What Galactus said doesn't mean or prove shit. Characters have made similar exclamations multiple times in the past when surprised by the power of an opponent they have underestimated only to get their asses kicked.Galactus' only saving grace is the possibility that Zeus is amped. Ares is. If Zeus isn't and Galan gets his ass kicked, it's basically the end of the line for Galactus.
Pak doesn't hold Skyfathers in high regard from what I can tell however.
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Just going by what we saw. Galactus doesn't think it's possible with his own power, which more than likely means an amp is in place in comics. Plus, the fact that Ares took an attack from Thor, Surfer, and Sersi without harm means something must be up. He was also fighting with amped Hunkules as well. It's hard to believe Ares would be the only one amped here.That doesn't even make any sense. All it is is a low showing, and the writer having a misunderstand of the character. No low showing has ruined a character... otherwise Thor would be done 100x over... every character would be. Galactus has far outnumbered his low showings now-a-days to barely any, so I don't see what one would do. Especially since it's glaringly obvious he is going to get a couple leading into this event.
Pak doesn't hold anyone in high regard except Hulk.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Looked more like Thor was just holding himself up to be honest, and Galactus was about to blast him again to finish him off.
Either way, just wanted to rub your nose in your predictions leading up to the comic.
Like I said, I haven't read the fight itself, but 3 -or maybe 4- different people told me Thor was getting back up.
It would have been nice for a beat down but I expected a real fight. F*cking Bendis. He promised us a Thor plus Avengers vs. Galactus issue. His so full of shit and he does not know how to choreograph a good fight to save his life.
A scene of Galactus being toppled and I would have been perfectly satisfied from what I can tell.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
spoiler] Just going by what we saw. Galactus doesn't think it's possible with his own power, which more than likely means an amp is in place in comics. Plus, the fact that Ares took an attack from Thor, Surfer, and Sersi without harm means something must be up. He was also fighting with amped Hunkules as well. It's hard to believe Ares would be the only one amped here.That doesn't even make any sense. All it is is a low showing, and the writer having a misunderstand of the character. No low showing has ruined a character... otherwise Thor would be done 100x over... every character would be. Galactus has far outnumbered his low showings now-a-days to barely any, so I don't see what one would do. Especially since it's glaringly obvious he is going to get a couple leading into this event.
Pak doesn't hold anyone in high regard except Hulk.[/spoiler]
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What Galactus thinks isn't possible means shit. Every time a character outperforms the expectations of another character, there isn't an amp taking place. Granted Galactus has Cosmic Awareness but that's a meh like rationalization.The Ares scenes however lead me to believe that there is some amping involved. But one could argue that Hercules was significantly holding back -he has gained control over his powers- and the initial attack by the heroes was not meant to harm Ares plus co. but we'll have to wait and see. An amp seems the more likely scenario but it is Pak so whateves.
Thor might not be as high up the food chain as he was but at least he has some decent to good portrayals more often than he has poor ones.
Galactus? His been used as a cosmic punching bag too many times. If he gets jobbed out here, he -at least in my mind- loses the last of his credibility as a legit cosmic threat unless we do some Darkseid level retconning. At that point if say.....Odin comes back and kicks Galactus' ass, I wouldn't even be impressed.
GALAKKADOOOM!
Galactus is stronger than sky-father, he's more or less in abstract basis with the Celestials who managed to defeat several pantheons fused without even trying. Thor got up after not hurting G at all but he was but a fly for Galactus, regular showing for Thor, he doesn't get one-shotted when he's just casually swatted by a superior power, Thing has done as much.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusK. I read the comic. Thor wasn't KO'ed, but he didn't look like he was getting up either. Looked like he was holding himself up from being really stunned.
Like I said, I haven't read the fight itself, but 3 -or maybe 4- different people told me Thor was getting back up.It would have been nice for a beat down but I expected a real fight. F*cking Bendis. He promised us a Thor plus Avengers vs. Galactus issue. His so full of shit and he does not know how to choreograph a good fight to save his life.
A scene of Galactus being toppled and I would have been perfectly satisfied from what I can tell.
I expected a fight too, but that's not a very realistic expectation. At least not currently. It went exactly how it should have.
Oh, I know you would have been. If Thor would have killed that Galactus, I doubt you'd say a peep about it. 😛
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSpoiler:
What Galactus thinks isn't possible means shit. Every time a character outperforms the expectations of another character, there isn't an amp taking place. Granted Galactus has Cosmic Awareness but that's a meh like rationalization.The Ares scenes lead me to believe that there is some amping involved. However, one could argue that Hercules was significantly holding back -he has gained control over his powers- and the initial attack was not meant to harm Ares and the others but we'd have to wait and see. An amp seems the more likely scenario but it is Pak so whateves.
Thor might not be as high up the food chain as he was but at least he has some decent to good portrayals in contrast to poor ones.
Galactus? His been used as a cosmic punching bag too many times. If he gets jobbed out here, he -at least in my mind- loses the last of his credibility as a legit cosmic threat unless we do some Darkseid level retconning.
GALAKKADOOOM!
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Usually when someone says something about their regular power not being enough, then that usually means an amp. It's either followed by them saying it's an amp, or them saying they aren't holding back. It's often the former in comics... especially when beings under the same circumstances are amped as well.You really believe one could actually argue that?
Yes, I know... although I've never placed Thor any lower, but that's just me. Also, I'm not trying to downplay Thor, like it looked like you thought in the previous post, I'm just using him because using him would make the most sense to you. Thor's had low showings all throughout his career... none of them have affected his character standing... and some of them are downright retarded. One low showing from Galactus shouldn't hurt his character, but it seems like you're really hoping for it. 😬
Galactus has almost no low showings for at least 10 years in canon. The only 'low showings' off the top of my mind were written by Pak, and had nothing to do with power. Skaar, and that little grey homo Hulk son. And they only had to do with his eating.
^Tomorrow bud. I gotta go study.
Originally posted by Bentley
Galactus is stronger than sky-father, he's more or less in abstract basis with the Celestials who managed to defeat several pantheons fused without even trying.
People really need to stop applying ABC logic to that scene and using it as some evidence that proves Galactus >>>>> Odin and co.
That took place during a time when Thomas was severely toning down the Gods, specifically the Skyfathers -for no apparent reason as far as I can tell; on the other hand his Thor was extremely powerful- and the Celestials were considered at the top of the food chain. The next step in the cosmic totem pole. At that time Celestials were beyond Watchers, Odin and Galactus. Dude went out of his way to retcon/chance so many massive plots of Asgard's history for the Celestials.
Next time you try and use Thor #300 as evidence that Galactus > Pantheons? Don't.
And the Destroyer Armor as I recall was not infused with entire Pantheons. It was Odin plus the Asgardians -which is basically Odin attempting to reach the pinnacle of his own power as the Asgardians are powered by the Odin Force and his essence as I recall- and no other pantheons. Immediately after the creation of the Destroyer, each Skyfather imbued the armor with a fraction of his power to make it extremely powerful but I think that was about it when it came to the involvement of others. But I need to double check to be completely sure.
Originally posted by Bentley
Thor got up after not hurting G at all but he was but a fly for Galactus, regular showing for Thor, he doesn't get one-shotted when he's just casually swatted by a superior power, Thing has done as much.
Too tired to get into this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI don't see why you see this as an argument. It's simply a discussion.
^Tomorrow bud. I gotta go study.
On another note, Chaos War didn't start out very strong at all, IMO. I mean, I'll read the series, but I hope it picks up... still not looking forward to many wtf moments here though.
Originally posted by BentleyMephisto, Agamotto, In-Betweener, a Watcher, Beyonder, being used as a bomb to destroy 2 universes, fighting along with Celestials, and Kubik placing him as part of the Great Powers along with the Celestials, etc?
There is plenty more proof for Galactus being above the skyfathers on the food chain but I better save it for Big G's capability thread.
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I'm not worried about Galactus. There're clearly some amps flying around, otherwise you'd have to subscribe to the idea that Zeus was un-amped and survives a deathblow from Galactus while Amatsu-Mikaboshi 1-shot kills Zeus some 3 or so years ago, i.e. before he was built up to his current levels. unlikely
i'm fully expecting everyone to job to mika, his goons, and/or some powers that are controlled by mika until herc finds the solution to get stuff done, and then G and other cosmic entities step in and carry out the plan.
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As for the scene in Chaos War#3, here's what is in store for Chaos War:Ares.