Marvel's Newest Cosmic Event - The Chaos War!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

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When did Galactus one shot Thor? I haven't had the chance to read the latest Avenger's issue but from what I heard -read- Galactus blasts Thor -using his eyes I believe- which cause Thor to drop to ground level and then we see Thor getting back immediately. From the description I read, the blast seemed to do nothing more than stun Thor. At best it was a very brief knock out.

Hahahaha

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What? And a big hearty lulz to the second part. What Galactus said doesn't mean or prove shit. Characters have made similar exclamations multiple times in the past when surprised by the power of an opponent they have underestimated only to get their asses kicked.

Galactus' only saving grace is the possibility that Zeus is amped. Ares is. If Zeus isn't and Galan gets his ass kicked, it's basically the end of the line for Galactus.

Pak doesn't hold Skyfathers in high regard from what I can tell however.

imo what happend is that mika killed the olympion death god thus all of them are truely immortal like thanos now
or

zeus protected ares from that combined blast

but i dont see no reason why there should be a amp zeus should be able to smack around thor and surfer like did

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
imo what happend is that mika killed the olympion death god thus all of them are truely immortal like thanos now
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zeus protected ares from that combined blast

but i dont see no reason why there should be a amp zeus should be able to smack around thor and surfer like did

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Big G was shocked that he couldn't finish off Zeus. Address him as sky-father directly? Geez these writers need to get off the forums. lol

you think the writers read when we post stuff like ''skyfather level'' and they got it from us?

you guy think atum the god eater might make an appearence?

Originally posted by vansonbee
He wouldn't need a amp, but if one person of the dead gods group has an amp. Better to assume they all are.

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Big G was shocked that he couldn't finish off Zeus. Address him as sky-father directly? Geez these writers need to get off the forums. lol

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That is actually what they go by though. It's only become a popular name because of forums.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
K. I read the comic. Thor wasn't KO'ed, but he didn't look like he was getting up either. Looked like he was holding himself up from being really stunned.

I expected a fight too, but that's not a very realistic expectation. At least not currently. It went exactly how it should have.

Oh, I know you would have been. If Thor would have killed that Galactus, I doubt you'd say a peep about it.

Okay, I just read the fight.

I'd wager Thor's getting up after falling from the sky.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus09.jpg
Thanks to ODG.

Not really. It's still Bendis.

Obviously not.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

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Usually when someone says something about their regular power not being enough, then that usually means an amp. It's either followed by them saying it's an amp, or them saying they aren't holding back. It's often the former in comics... especially when beings under the same circumstances are amped as well.

You have a point and I'd agree completely.....if it was Zeus commenting on his own power. However, it's Galactus that does the commenting in the classic "Impossible" style shock that usually comes before a beat down or a character stepping up. It's been done plenty of times in media.

Is Zeus amped? Possibly. Even likely. Does that statement made by Galactus prove it? Not a chance.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

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You really believe one could actually argue that?

I've seen less solid arguments presented.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

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Yes, I know... although I've never placed Thor any lower, but that's just me. Also, I'm not trying to downplay Thor, like it looked like you thought in the previous post, I'm just using him because using him would make the most sense to you. Thor's had low showings all throughout his career... none of them have affected his character standing... and some of them are downright retarded. One low showing from Galactus shouldn't hurt his character, but it seems like you're really hoping for it. 😬

Galactus has almost no low showings for at least 10 years in canon. The only 'low showings' off the top of my mind were written by Pak, and had nothing to do with power. Skaar, and that little grey homo Hulk son. And they only had to do with his eating.

Fair enough I guess and I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything.

One low showing shouldn't but Galactus has been defeated a few times in the last decade. It's not even the power levels involved in particular. I don't give a shit about that right now. It's his credibility. At this point when he appears in a story, people expect him to be defeated, captured, killed (Hasn't that happened like 3 times in recent Fantastic Four stories or something?), or jobbed out. This seems to be getting worse.

To be 100% clear:
I don't think Galactus is reduced to herald level or anything, but I do believe his chances of being viewed as some uber in-your-boots shaking threat or at least as the 3rd Universal Power -which he isn't for most of the appearances I've seen- are over. The major problem in my opinion is the fact that his the go to guy if you want some Cosmic calamity. If he loses to Zeus, I think it's quite possibly the final straw. Or blood in the water. Whatever. Bottom line?

In the end though, 90% of the battle board members are fickle f*cks. A redeeming story can be written but it will involve some retcons in my opinion.

My ideal Galactus is an emotinonless Cosmic Entity - DnA did it well in the Nova appearance. Just being above Herald level character's isn't what I'm hoping for when Galactus appears. We might differ in our expectations from Galactus which might be the problem here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

My ideal Galactus is an emotinonless Cosmic Entity - DnA did it well in the Nova appearance. Just being above Herald level character's isn't what I'm hoping for when Galactus appears. We might differ in our expectations from Galactus which might be the problem here.

rage arent you the same guy who said you want to see odin stalemate galactus?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, I just read the fight.

I'd wager Thor's getting up after falling from the sky.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus09.jpg
Thanks to ODG.

Not really. It's still Bendis.

Obviously not.

You have a point and I'd agree completely.....if it was Zeus commenting on his own power. However, it's Galactus that does the commenting in the classic "Impossible" style shock that usually comes before a beat down or a character stepping up. It's been done plenty of times in media.

One low showing shouldn't but Galactus has been defeated a few times in the last decade. It's not even the power levels involved in particular. I don't give a shit about that right now. It's his credibility. At this point when he appears in a story, people expect him to be defeated, captured, killed (Hasn't that happened like 3 times in recent Fantastic Four stories or something?), or jobbed out. This seems to be getting worse.

To be 100% clear:
I don't think Galactus is reduced to herald level or anything, but I do believe his chances of being viewed as some uber in-your-boots shaking threat or at least as the 3rd Universal Power -which he isn't for most of the appearances I've seen- are over. The major problem in my opinion is the fact that his the go to guy if you want some Cosmic calamity. If he loses to Zeus, I think it's quite possibly the final straw. Or blood in the water. Whatever. Bottom line?

The last part in Chaos War#1 says "Even Death can die!" makes me think why Galactus wasn't able to bring down Zeus in that scene.Let us not forget that even though Galactus is powerful, his stamina is his weakness.We don't know if Galactus is fully fed,highly fed, or hungry when he took on Zeus.Galactus(at fully fed levels) was destroying Galaxies when he fought full powered Tyrant.And when Galactus was hungry, he gets slapped around.So Zeus beating Galactus might involved circumstances.If Zeus beats Galactus because he was hungry, then that is acceptable.But if Zeus beats Galactus at fully feed levels, its probably because Mikaboshi destroyed the afterlife.As a result, no matter how hard Galactus hits Zeus, it wont matter since he may not die.Galactus would just end up exhausting himself in the process.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
rage arent you the same guy who said you want to see odin stalemate galactus?

Stalemating? Really? That doesn't sound like me.

Odin beating Galactus seems more like a thing I would say.

I want to see the Cosmic Entity Galactus introduced in the 70's (early 80's?) but I know it doesn't really work with the majority of his appearances. The first thing I would do is take away Galactus' dwindling power when he becomes hungry. At least up until a point. He'd have a consistent base level which would be Skyfather like in power. He would still need to feed -in order to keep the balance- but it would be more of a psychological than a physical need. I'd also get rid of the emotions. Galactus' is like a petulant whiny child at times. He should be beyond them.

That being said, I'd still want to see Odin be on equal terms with Galactus. Galactus isn't the only one with high end portrayals.

Feat for feat? Odin and Galactus are about on par. At least excluding the Annihilation bomb thing. I need to double check that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

One low showing shouldn't but Galactus has been defeated a few times in the last decade. It's not even the power levels involved in particular. I don't give a shit about that right now. It's his credibility. At this point when he appears in a story, people expect him to be defeated, captured, killed (Hasn't that happened like 3 times in recent Fantastic Four stories or something?), or jobbed out. This seems to be getting worse.

To be 100% clear:
I don't think Galactus is reduced to herald level or anything, but I do believe his chances of being viewed as some uber in-your-boots shaking threat or at least as the 3rd Universal Power -which he isn't for most of the appearances I've seen- are over. The major problem in my opinion is the fact that his the go to guy if you want some Cosmic calamity. If he loses to Zeus, I think it's quite possibly the final straw. Or blood in the water. Whatever. Bottom line?

My ideal Galactus is an emotinonless Cosmic Entity - DnA did it well in the Nova appearance. Just being above Herald level character's isn't what I'm hoping for when Galactus appears. We might differ in our expectations from Galactus which might be the problem here.

Good post, particularly coming from a Non-Galactus fan such as yourself.

As someone posted here earlier in the thread, and as former Annihilation editor Andy Schmidt said on CBR, and as Andy Lanning mentioned when I was having a brief chat with him at NYCC, marvel editorial has an internal decision process about whether certain characters can be used in certain manners...apparently Galactus is one of them, Thor is also one of them (not sure about Odin though, but would make sense) the Phoenix Force is one of them...

...essentially these characters are "protected" to a degree on how they can be portrayed and for what types of portrayals.

Back in 2006 there was a thread on CBR about a poster basically mentioning the same things you just did pertaining to Galactus (no, the poster was not me) and how they were tired of him being jobbed out for the sole purpose of being used as a measure of power for the antagonist of any given story; have the antagonist defeat Galactus, and then you establish the antagonists' credibility.

Surprisingly Andy Schmidt came into the thread and posted several responses in it. He expressed the same concerns as the poster and said "sometimes you have to tear a character back down in order to build him up again" and noted that for Galactus it was particularly important to do so.

Like Bran said Galactus has been portrayed relatively well in the past 5-10 years. The only "low showings" I can think of involve McDuffie's laughable FF arc (infamous Black Panther arm-bar, and Uatu stating on panel that the Ultimate Nullifier belonged to him and was his device) and Pak's crack-addict story in Son of Hulk.

In fact it's the same reason why Eternity gets jobbed out so much as well...only for some reason, he doesn't fall under the same "protections" that the Phoenix Force, et. al have from Marvel Editorial.

To be honest, the only characters I can think of that behave the way a fan of the character would want, and would perform consistently well, no matter the threat, are Wolverine and Thor...and to a lesser extent, Captain America.

Doctor Doom is quite a competent performer imo.

Originally posted by Bentley
Doctor Doom is quite a competent performer imo.

Agree...so is Magneto. Though for the sake of context I was just talking about fan favorite heroes and "non-villains" (i.e., Galactus).

But yeah you're right. Though that whole "Master of Doom" story arc was a total fiasco.

This is kinda unrelated but concerning galactus, people tend to say he jobs a lot and so forth, but to me it always been part of how he perceives the galaxy. He thinks of planets as food, so the hero's don't really beat him so much as convince him it not worth it. Kinda like when your eating a cookie and bunch of bee's start buzzing around and one stings you. sure it hurts a little, but it certainly would not put you out of a fight by any means (unless your allergic) but makes you maybe not think the cookies worth eating. So to me Galactus is kinda like one of us trying to eat a cookie and the hero's are annoying insects trying to stop him.

it looks like galactus killed all the reived gods except zeus and hercules in those scans, i think hercules is going to fight his father then convince galactus to help with the threat via god squad

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
This is kinda unrelated but concerning galactus, people tend to say he jobs a lot and so forth, but to me it always been part of how he perceives the galaxy. He thinks of planets as food, so the hero's don't really beat him so much as convince him it not worth it. Kinda like when your eating a cookie and bunch of bee's start buzzing around and one stings you. sure it hurts a little, but it certainly would not put you out of a fight by any means (unless your allergic) but makes you maybe not think the cookies worth eating. So to me Galactus is kinda like one of us trying to eat a cookie and the hero's are annoying insects trying to stop him.

In the instances where he's driven away, yes that's a rational explanation.

But where they introduce new characters, have new characters fight Galactus to establish threat, and then have new characters beat Galactus in order to establish credibility, that's when the "in character" ends and the jobbing begins.

Take for instance Annihilaiton. I asked Andy Schmidt many, many questions on his "ask the editor thread" about Galactus, and before Annihilation #1 came out I was a bit apprehensive about him taking the fall before the Proemial Gods. Which is exactly what happened. I mentioned it to him again after Annihilation #1, and he said that as editor he went to long lengths to ensure that G's character was "presevered." In what manner? He said that he wanted to have a page or so detailing that it took 2 beings of Galactus power level prepped by Thanos to take G down...which I begrudgingly agreed with, but ultimately it was true since that is what happened.

Now with CW...who knows how it will play out. I dont think Pak and Van Lente have as much respect for the character as Andy Schmidt and Keith Giffen and Abnett and Lanning...so they may go down the road of using big G to prop up Mika. After all...they've already established he can kill skyfathers pretty easily...next was nightmare...you have to go higher up the totem pole to maintain that crediblity.

That being said, I'm still not too worried. G's had a relatively good run the past 10 years in terms of not having ridiculous low showings like he did in the past, like any other character. So hopefully it continues.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, I just read the fight.

I'd wager Thor's getting up after falling from the sky.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus09.jpg
Thanks to ODG.

Not really. It's still Bendis.

Obviously not.

You have a point and I'd agree completely.....if it was Zeus commenting on his own power. However, it's Galactus that does the commenting in the classic "Impossible" style shock that usually comes before a beat down or a character stepping up. It's been done plenty of times in media.

Is Zeus amped? Possibly. Even likely. Does that statement made by Galactus prove it? Not a chance.

I've seen less solid arguments presented.

Just going by the average in comics of what usually happens after such a statement, and judging by Ares being amped. I'm not saying Galactus isn't going to be stomped though; in fact I expect it.

I never said just that statement proved it though. Taking both into account, it's almost a given that he's amped. If he's not... I hate Pak even more.

Less solid... meaning wrong? 😛

if anything zeus isnt amped he is just unable to die seeing as the previews indicate mika destroys the after like in chaos war 2