Bastard!! manga review

Started by Astner4 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree, as well, Astner.

Multiple shades of black can be used.


Not with manga inc. Screen-toners or CGI are used for shades. Save for few exception--the one I specifically recall is the manga Blade of the Immortal which was drawn by pencil.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, that diagram does NOT look computer generated. The drawing is rather simple and I, with my sh*t drawing skills, could easily draw that.

I didn't say it was good. Just that it was computer generated based off that it wasn't drawn with manga inc.

Originally posted by Astner
Not with manga inc. Screen-toners or CGI are used for shades. Save for few exception--the one I specifically recall is the manga Blade of the Immortal which was drawn by pencil.

I'm not sure what your point is.

My point was:

"I disagree, as well, Astner.

Multiple shades of black can be used."

Here's my reasoning: multiple shades of black have been used for ages, in manga. Well before computers.

Originally posted by Astner
I didn't say it was good. Just that it was computer generated based off that it wasn't drawn with manga inc.

And I didn't say it was good (or bad), either. I was just saying that it could easily be drawn by hand.

Look at me validate my existence I think Bastard!! sucks oh god why won't anybody talk to me I'm alive I'm a human being I can draw better than Hagiwara I swear look at my drawings don't they look cool someone please compliment my drawings like my grandmother used to do the last person who showed me any sort of appreciation granny why did you die why did you leave me alone in that cold ruthless world Bastard!! sucks it sucks oh please someone deliver me from this nightmare

Originally posted by Aldric
Look at me validate my existence I think Bastard!! sucks oh god why won't anybody talk to me I'm alive I'm a human being

If you sincerely believed your own premise then why would you be positing in the thread? More specifically why would your only post in this forum be in this thread?

Originally posted by Aldric
I can draw better than Hagiwara I swear look at my drawings don't they look cool someone please compliment my drawings like my grandmother used to do the last person who showed me any sort of appreciation granny why did you die why did you leave me alone in that cold ruthless world

For attempting to troll you're displaying a severe level of incompetence. First and foremost neither of my grandparents are deceased. Secondly, inhumane cold-hearted responses are seldom made by responsible adults, you're ony making yourself out to be a social outcast not worth while. Then again, your age may match your rebellious-teenager mentality.

As for the drawings themselves, they were provided on request. It's not something I initially thought to bring up, regardless to say. It satisfied the request. But I'm flattered that you find them credible enough to attempt to discredit them.

Originally posted by Aldric
Bastard!! sucks it sucks oh please someone deliver me from this nightmare

It's a poorly written story that could only hope to entertain those with a very short attention span.

Sure was a lot of junior members on the first page.

I call samefag.

Originally posted by Akainu
Sure was a lot of junior members on the first page.

I call samefag.


Sadly I suspect that they're different people. Not that it would matter to this thread.

Originally posted by Astner
[B]If you sincerely believed your own premise then why would you be positing in the thread? More specifically why would your only post in this forum be in this thread?

I got linked to this masterpiece in another forum

For attempting to troll you're displaying a severe level of incompetence. First and foremost neither of my grandparents are deceased. Secondly, inhumane cold-hearted responses are seldom made by responsible adults, you're ony making yourself out to be a social outcast not worth while. Then again, your age may match your rebellious-teenager mentality.

Please be more of a whiny melodramatic diva "inhumane and cold hearted" lol get a hold of this guy

And you really have no room to talk about trolling, what's with you trying the "I like real life girls Bastard!! readers are virgins and gay" angle in your abortion of a first post

All that while flaunting some math formula in your sig and complaining about scientifical mistakes like an aspergers ridden clod

As for the drawings themselves, they were provided on request. It's not something I initially thought to bring up, regardless to say. It satisfied the request. But I'm flattered that you find them credible enough to attempt to discredit them.

Seriously I thought the "I can draw better than that respected professional artist" shit only flew with Deviantart's prepubescent Shadow the Hedgehog fans talking about One Piece but apparently not

Oh and for your information, Hagiwara started using CG art in 2002, which is the year volume 23 was released, and where the difference with his previous hand drawn art is obvious to anyone not completely retarded

You couldn't even recognize screentones if they kicked you in the dick and you think you're entitled to give your opinion about Hagiwara's art

Originally posted by Aldric
I got linked to this masterpiece in another forum

You didn't answer the question. If this, as you claim, was nothing more than a cry for attention then why would you feel obligated to respond? It's not as if the thread was active before you chose to humor me with your feelings regarding it.

Originally posted by Aldric
Please be more of a whiny melodramatic diva "inhumane and cold hearted" lol get a hold of this guy

I pity you for being under the impression of that ridiculing people through their past away relatives is somehow part of the social norm.

Originally posted by Aldric
And you really have no room to talk about trolling

I'm simply pointing out the obvious. How wouldn't a post void of any--to the thread--significant content, loaded with ad hominem attacks in various shapes and forms not be considered trolling?

Originally posted by Aldric
what's with you trying the "I like real life girls Bastard!! readers are virgins and gay" angle in your abortion of a first post

The excessive use of promiscuous buxom women doubtlessly caters to a asocial hormone driven audience. Also your spell check-program interpreted your attempt to write "abomination" as "abortion".

Originally posted by Aldric
All that while flaunting some math formula in your sig and complaining about scientifical mistakes like an aspergers ridden clod

It's not the scientific errors I have a problem with, it's the fact that they're purposely written to add nonexistent depth through faulty reasoning and conclusions. Furthermore I don't see how pointing out mistakes with references and explanations would be interpreted as a autistic trait in any school of psychology.

Originally posted by Aldric
Seriously I thought the "I can draw better than that respected professional artist" shit only flew with Deviantart's prepubescent Shadow the Hedgehog fans talking about One Piece but apparently not

The human body is generally considered the blue-print if artistic talent, the abominable proportions in Hagiwara's art should be evident to everyone. I have every right to criticize his lack of talent in a review regarding his work.

Originally posted by Aldric
Oh and for your information, Hagiwara started using CG art in 2002, which is the year volume 23 was released, and where the difference with his previous hand drawn art is obvious to anyone not completely retarded

Whether it's screen-toners or CGI is in essence irrelevant considering that it isn't drawn by hand. You could grab any person off the street, give him a screen-toner and tell him to turn it face down against a sheet of paper, it still wouldn't make that person an artist. Manga is drawn with black inc, and as far as Hagiwara's lines are concerned, they're not that impressive.

Originally posted by Aldric
You couldn't even recognize screentones if they kicked you in the dick and you think you're entitled to give your opinion about Hagiwara's art

Indulge me. I'm not an artist, and as of now there have been no protests of how my art from when I was a young teen would fall short before Hagiwara's. Judging by the overall criticism of this thread that's more than evidence enough that as a kid I was artistically more talented than Hagiwara.

But I digress. I'm now going to slaughter four-dimension tensor equations, so in eight or so hours when my head will feel like a burnt circuit I can come back and by your post remind myself of why I should keep on studying.

Originally posted by Astner
You didn't answer the question. If this, as you claim, was nothing more than a cry for attention then why would you feel obligated to respond? It's not as if the thread was active before you chose to humor me with your feelings regarding it.

I happen to be a humanist

This is how you thank me for providing you with the attention you so desperately crave?

You ungrateful knave

I pity you for being under the impression of that ridiculing people through their past away relatives is somehow part of the social norm.

Wah wah wah this joke is mildly offensive my vagina's leaking

I'm simply pointing out the obvious. How wouldn't a post void of any--to the thread--significant content, loaded with ad hominem attacks in various shapes and forms not be considered trolling?

I'm only replying in the same tone as your OP

The excessive use of promiscuous buxom women doubtlessly caters to a asocial hormone driven audience. Also your spell check-program interpreted your attempt to write "abomination" as "abortion".

You have a Bleach avatar and you're trying to take the moral highground about "excessive use of buxom women"

Haha what the hell

And I don't want to hear about the "social norm" from you, what the **** are you a mormon

It's not the scientific errors I have a problem with, it's the fact that they're purposely written to add nonexistent depth through faulty reasoning and conclusions. Furthermore I don't see how pointing out mistakes with references and explanations would be interpreted as a autistic trait in any school of psychology.

It's the focus on these mistakes from your part that's bordering on autism, I mean who gives a shit seriously

THIS GOOFY FANTASY COMIC GOT ITS SCIENCE WRONG??? GRRRR UNFORGIVoh a bag of skittles time to rearrange them by color

The human body is generally considered the blue-print if artistic talent, the abominable proportions in Hagiwara's art should be evident to everyone. I have every right to criticize his lack of talent in a review regarding his work.

You think Kishimoto's a good artist while he butchered his characters anatomy and proportions dozens of times

Get the **** out of here

Whether it's screen-toners or CGI is in essence irrelevant considering that it isn't drawn by hand. You could grab any person off the street, give him a screen-toner and tell him to turn it face down against a sheet of paper, it still wouldn't make that person an artist. Manga is drawn with black inc, and as far as Hagiwara's lines are concerned, they're not that impressive.

The use of screentones is a huge part of a mangaka's job, how ****ing clueless are you

Indulge me. I'm not an artist, and as of now there have been no protests of how my art from when I was a young teen would fall short before Hagiwara's. Judging by the overall criticism of this thread that's more than evidence enough that as a kid I was artistically more talented than Hagiwara.

What the hell are you even on about, your art blows

Although I find it highly amusing how you blabber about Bastard!!'s homoeroticism only to show off the picture of some muscular dude in a speedo with a collar around his neck as an example of your teen years artwork

Someone seems to have unresolved issues

But I digress. I'm now going to slaughter four-dimension tensor equations, so in eight or so hours when my head will feel like a burnt circuit I can come back and by your post remind myself of why I should keep on studying. [/B]

Yeah you do that, that's fascinating

Originally posted by Aldric
I happen to be a humanist

A humanist attempting to mock others through their deceased relatives? I think you're confused.

Originally posted by Aldric
This is how you thank me for providing you with the attention you so desperately crave?

You ungrateful knave


Attention? Least of all yours? No.

It's painfully obvious why you responded to the thread, and the most satisfying aspect is that rather than targeting the central points in the thread you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Originally posted by Aldric
Wah wah wah this joke is mildly offensive my vagina's leaking

I'm glad that we're able to establish the mentality of your approach.

Originally posted by Aldric
I'm only replying in the same tone as your OP

Then why would it offend you?

Originally posted by Aldric
You have a Bleach avatar and you're trying to take the moral highground about "excessive use of buxom women"

First and foremost the series that the character in my avatar originates from isn't related to this argument. Secondly, you misread the post, "The excessive use of promiscuous buxom women".

Originally posted by Aldric
It's the focus on these mistakes from your part that's bordering on autism, I mean who gives a shit seriously

You supposedly, for taking your time to reach said conclusion. But in the end I'd be more inclined to believe that it was a poor fabrication to inflict emotional damage.

Originally posted by Aldric
THIS GOOFY FANTASY COMIC GOT ITS SCIENCE WRONG??? GRRRR UNFORGIVoh a bag of skittles time to rearrange them by color

I'll recite myself: "It's not the scientific errors I have a problem with, it's the fact that they're purposely written to add nonexistent depth through faulty reasoning and conclusions."

Originally posted by Aldric
You think Kishimoto's a good artist while he butchered his characters anatomy and proportions dozens of times

Get the **** out of here


I don't think Kishimoto is a good artist in general, but compared to the likes of Hagiwara he is. Unlike Hagiwara, Kishimoto publishes chapters at a rather fast pace, yet he still he manages to retain a certain level of proportional consistency in his artwork.

Originally posted by Aldric
The use of screentones is a huge part of a mangaka's job, how ****ing clueless are you

Are you fully aware of what you're actually quoting?

Originally posted by Aldric
What the hell are you even on about, your art blows

Your monotonous blabbering follows a rather simplistic pattern, that's why it's easy so predict. Note the embolden keywords in the recited sentence: "I'm not an artist, and as of now there have been no protests of how my art from when I was a young teen would fall short before Hagiwara's."

Originally posted by Aldric
Although I find it highly amusing how you blabber about Bastard!!'s homoeroticism only to show off the picture of some muscular dude in a speedo with a collar around his neck as an example of your teen years artwork

Someone seems to have unresolved issues


The male and female body, often nude, is a reoccurring archetype in the field of art and I'm secure enough in my sexuality to draw it.

This is a list of the most popular mangas going by ages

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Bastard is quite popular among people who is around 20-30 years old

Bastard in first place despite the gloomy story is not meant to be taken seriously.

It is a seinen parody (meant for adults) where the the are tons of references of other manga series and even from Disney and religion.

The author simply mocks about the typical heroes, stories and villains.

You can see things like Satan recreating the musical of the Genie from the disney movie
Aladdin

Or Konron who looks almost identical to one of the characters of Street Fighter

You see as well how the author mocks about over powered characters.

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Lie-Detector?
Penicillin?
Instant victory?
Error-Detect?
Anti-Gas?

It is quite easy to realize that the author wants to mock about those over powered techniques and characters from other series.

Like the typical character that says "I am invincible because my defense is absolute even more absolute than yours"

You see as well how the author criticizes the catholic religion.

i.e It is well known that the bible has some sexist stuff.

The man is good. WHile the woman is sometimes even represented as something evil.

And the author laughs about that when he draws the mother ****ing arch angel Michael no one else but the most important angel who is said to be the right hand of God....as a hot blond woman with giant boobs.

Another example:
As you know the bible says that the day of the final judgment everyone even those who
are innocent are going to pay as well for the sins of others.

The author mocks about that, by portraying the angels as some asshats.

And the list goes on.

You are saying that those who read Bastard!! is because we like to see guys and girls naked right?

I think that anyone who is smart enough and has no kind of complex would care about something so pathetic as that.

Christianity has showed across history lot if intolerance against naked body and sex.
They talk about naked human body and sex as if it were something evil or the work of Satan.

So why the hell would anybody care about that? It is just the freaking human body and a mature person would see it as something natural and would not get scared about it or jokes related about that.

Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc. tons of civilizations talked about sex, naked human body and orgies. They made jokes about it, artworks and some even thought about it as something even divine.
Just look the myths. The minotaur was born by Zeus incarnating as a bull and having sex with a woman.

So because of that it means they were ignorant fools that merely liked to see naked bodies?

Or Miguel Ángel was gay because he wanted to create the David?

Of course no, they were brilliant people who had no kind of complex against human body
and even now despite many years have passed, their works keep inspiring us.

If you find disturbing to see someone show his penis in a manga, why do not you go to a church and ask the father that you want to become a priest. Because it is hard for you to understand why a mangaka would make jokes about that kind of stuff in a fictional world.

Hell even now these days there are lot of places where people make ceremonies, events and festivals where people celebrates naked.

It is ok if you do not like the series. After all the intention of the author was to create a series that was against the ideology of lot of people, with lot of content that many people would see as controversial.

It simply is not the stereotypical series with the stereotypical hero.

For that I would rather see a Disney movie than a series with a stereotypical story line, with cliche characters.

But I do not see the point of creating this kind topic, other than intolerance, some kind of hate toward the series, an attitude where you want to prove at all coast that you are right and the series that you like are better, because you think so, while you as well talk bad about those who read Bastard!!.

I have seen lot of narutohaters who say lot of crap and some absurd comments about the series. I am not a fan of the series, but I disagree about the way how they talk about the series. Indeed they tend to act really biased and with a very immature attitude.

Therefore in some way I can see your point of creating this thread. You like your stuff and others do not show respect. And when you do the same, they do not like it.

But man seriously in the end it is not better at all what you are doing.

So it would be better to not open again this kind of topics.

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On other hand talking about the artwork

This is one of the first covers that Hagiwara drew when he had no budget and resources

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So seriously are you going to tell me that he is not a good artist? Hell I have seen many mangas and in my opinion that cover has far better art than what most mangakas draw now these days
And again that was when he had no budget nor resources.

Now lets take a look to some of his current works

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h t t p :/ /im g 190. im ag e shack.u s/i/capturad epantalla201012gi.p n g/

When I was 12 my mother hated with such passion my manga series.

But one time when I showed her these pics. Even she liked a lot the artworks.

So how about not downplaying other series, just because you do not like them?

I apologize for the inconsistent order of the replies, the post exceeded 10,000 characters and had to be divided, where I accidently pasted the same material twice. I've edited most of it out, the replies are there but not in order.

Originally posted by mike89un
This is a list of the most popular mangas going by ages

http://img714.imageshack.us/ig714/8425/menranking.jpg


The link doesn't work, you'll have to repost it. I advice you not to space it out like you initially did as the site support hypertext.

Originally posted by mike89un
Bastard in first place despite the gloomy story is not meant to be taken seriously.

The story can't be considered gloomy as there are no emotional moments or anything of similar nature in the manga that the reader could associate to.

Compare it to Berserk where you feel for the characters and their struggles.

I further don't see how "the gloomy story is not meant to be taken seriously" would somehow redeem it's poor quality. As even comedic material usually has some relatable elements. The reason Dave Chapelle is a credible comedian is that he's touching on controversial issues.

So even in a comedic sense the manga is poorly written.

Originally posted by mike89un
The author simply mocks about the typical heroes, stories and villains.

Which got boring at the moment it was introduced. But worse it's a concept that's nauseatingly repeated throughout the entire manga. So even assuming that the "mocking" was humorous to begin with it's repetitiveness would've made it bad.

Originally posted by mike89un
You see as well how the author criticizes the catholic religion.

What you seem to fail to grasp is that poorly constructed criticism holds no value. Furthermore you're adding depth to where there is none. No intellectual at his library would sit and ponder the underlying messages of this atrocity of a story.

Originally posted by mike89un
i.e It is well known that the bible has some sexist stuff.

The man is good. WHile the woman is sometimes even represented as something evil.

And the author laughs about that when he draws the mother ****ing arch angel Michael no one else but the most important angel who is said to be the right hand of God....as a hot blond woman with giant boobs.


If anything I'd call that fan-service, and not intended criticism and nowhere in Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism or Islam is it said that Michael is the right hand of God. He was the archangel that lead the army against Satan, but more authoritative angels are mentioned, including the seraphim.

Not to mention that in the religious scriptures of mentioned religions always refers to angels as male. Making female angels is nothing but a stroke of ignorance.

So to even say that there was any underlying insight is ludicrous.

Originally posted by mike89un
I think that anyone who is smart enough and has no kind of complex would care about something so pathetic as that.

Personally I think that anyone with average intelligence (or above) would find the story and every element in it to be unappealing.

Originally posted by mike89un
Or Miguel Ángel was gay because he wanted to create the David?

Once again, there's nothing wrong with illustrations the human body. I've explained that in this topic already. Though I wouldn't call Dark Schneider flashing his genitals art.

Originally posted by mike89un
Of course no, they were brilliant people who had no kind of complex against human body
and even now despite many years have passed, their works keep inspiring us.

You're comparing world renowned historical art to hentai. Works of art in which the worlds most talented artists have spent months, years even to sketches produced by a hentai author in a few hours. None share your asinine taste and would venture to where you just did.

Originally posted by mike89un
If you find disturbing to see someone show his penis in a manga, why do not you go to a church and ask the father that you want to become a priest. Because it is hard for you to understand why a mangaka would make jokes about that kind of stuff in a fictional world.

Not only are you completely uninformed when it comes to the thread you just replied to, but you're also missing the point. Penis jokes and unsophisticated toilet humor in general is not intended for a mature audience.

Originally posted by mike89un
Bastard is quite popular among people who is around 20-30 years old

I never argued against its popularity, despite it not selling nearly as well as the more popular Shonen manga.

Originally posted by mike89un
It is a seinen parody (meant for adults) where the the are tons of references of other manga series and even from Disney and religion.

I could care less for if the author, Kazushi Hagiwara, leeched off more credible works as long as it was of quality, Bastard!! however isn't.

Originally posted by mike89un
You can see things like Satan recreating the musical of the Genie from the disney movie
Aladdin

There's a significant difference though, first and foremost there was notable time and effort spent creating that musical and it was intended for children.

When I saw Satan spinning around on his head screaming "Oh yeah!" in the volume where Dark Schneider fought Dianne (I'm sorry I can't recall the volume number) I personally felt that it was so poorly thought out that it was painful to read.

Originally posted by mike89un
Or Konron who looks almost identical to one of the characters of Street Fighter

Which is lousy writing and not worth anyone money.

Originally posted by mike89un
You see as well how the author mocks about over powered characters.

http://images.wikia.com/finalwords/images/b/b9/Dispel _Bound_1.jpg[/url]

Lie-Detector?
Penicillin?
Instant victory?
Error-Detect?
Anti-Gas?

It is quite easy to realize that the author wants to mock about those over powered techniques and characters from other series.

Like the typical character that says "I am invincible because my defense is absolute even more absolute than yours"


As I previously stated, even in a comedic perspective this manga is in poor taste and could only hope to entertain people with very short attention spans.

Originally posted by mike89un
i.e It is well known that the bible has some sexist stuff.

The man is good. WHile the woman is sometimes even represented as something evil.

And the author laughs about that when he draws the mother ****ing arch angel Michael no one else but the most important angel who is said to be the right hand of God....as a hot blond woman with giant boobs.


If anything I'd call that fan-service, and not intended criticism and nowhere in Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism or Islam is it said that Michael is the right hand of God. He was the archangel that lead the army against Satan, but more authoritative angels are mentioned, including the seraphim.

Not to mention that in the religious scriptures of mentioned religions always refers to angels as male. Making female angels is nothing but a stroke of ignorance.

So to even say that there was any underlying insight is ludicrous.

Originally posted by mike89un
Another example:
As you know the bible says that the day of the final judgment everyone even those who
are innocent are going to pay as well for the sins of others.

The author mocks about that, by portraying the angels as some asshats.

And the list goes on.


You mean when Uriel went berserk and Gabriel wept? No. In the Bible angels were not depicted as dove-feathered humans either. They were depicted as monstrous beats with four faces--the face of a lion, the face of a eagle, the face of a man and the face of a goat--and a wheel above its head emanating lightning and fire.

So you couldn't say that it provides any proper insight to what's described in religious works.

As a author Kazushi Hagiwara seems extremely uninformed, both when it comes to the sources he's stealing his material from and in how to write.

Originally posted by mike89un
You are saying that those who read Bastard!! is because we like to see guys and girls naked right?

That's what I said, what I meant however was to make contrast with the supposedly glorified masculinity of it.

Originally posted by mike89un
I think that anyone who is smart enough and has no kind of complex would care about something so pathetic as that.

Personally I think that anyone with average intelligence (or above) would find the story and every element in it to be unappealing.

Originally posted by mike89un
Christianity has showed across history lot if intolerance against naked body and sex.
They talk about naked human body and sex as if it were something evil or the work of Satan.

No, the naked body was recognized as something beautiful. That's why the Sistine chapel has nude angels at the inside of its ceiling. What's taboo in Christianity is giving in to lust.

Originally posted by mike89un
Or Miguel Ángel was gay because he wanted to create the David?

Once again, there's nothing wrong with illustrations the human body. I've explained that in this topic already. Though I wouldn't call Dark Schneider flashing his genitals art.

Originally posted by mike89un
Of course no, they were brilliant people who had no kind of complex against human body
and even now despite many years have passed, their works keep inspiring us.

You're comparing world renowned historical art to hentai. Works of art in which the worlds most talented artists have spent months, years even to sketches produced by a hentai author in a few hours. None share your asinine taste and would venture to where you just did.

Originally posted by mike89un
It is ok if you do not like the series. After all the intention of the author was to create a series that was against the ideology of lot of people, with lot of content that many people would see as controversial.

It's not the controversy you supposedly ignorantly integrated with the story that's of concern. It's the poor representation. Underlying messages and ideas are worthless when not properly represented.

Originally posted by mike89un
It simply is not the stereotypical series with the stereotypical hero.

"Simply not" you make it sound as if the complexity of Dark Schneider somehow exceeds the complexity, of say Aladdin from Walt Disney's movie under the same name.

That's not the truth. Aladdin is well-made character who the viewer can relate to. He's a flawed character, tormented by the secrets he holds, a thief pretending to be a prince.

Whereas Dark Schneider is suppose to be this flawless character who compares himself to everyone else, making them look bad.

Originally posted by mike89un
But I do not see the point of creating this kind topic, other than intolerance, some kind of hate toward the series, an attitude where you want to prove at all coast that you are right and the series that you like are better, because you think so, while you as well talk bad about those who read Bastard!!.

I express my thoughts on a series. The process is called reviewing and it's a common process you'll doubtlessly will run into again.

Originally posted by mike89un
I have seen lot of narutohaters who say lot of crap and some absurd comments about the series. I am not a fan of the series, but I disagree about the way how they talk about the series. Indeed they tend to act really biased and with a very immature attitude.

I'm not against Bastard!!, but rather the undeserved praise it receives. I can't see why anyone would respect the manga when it's evident that the author doesn't respect it or its readers.

Originally posted by mike89un
Therefore in some way I can see your point of creating this thread. You like your stuff and others do not show respect. And when you do the same, they do not like it.

But man seriously in the end it is not better at all what you are doing.

So it would be better to not open again this kind of topics.


I'm not sure what you're trying to convey, you'll need to sharpen up on your English, but you were the one who revived the thread.

By further prolonging it you're only making it more recognizable by most search engines, including google.

Originally posted by mike89un
On other hand talking about the artwork

This is one of the first covers that Hagiwara drew when he had no budget and resources

http://img88.imageshack.us/i/capturadepantalla201012ig.png/

So seriously are you going to tell me that he is not a good artist? Hell I have seen many mangas and in my opinion that cover has far better art than what most mangakas draw now these days
And again that was when he had no budget nor resources.


Yes, that artwork is poorly conceived. The only reason you find it impressive is due to the shadowing, which requires time rather than skill. Not to mention that the shadowing is rather poor as well.

The majority of manga artist do draw better, but most of them wouldn't cloud their art with shadowing so it may not have the same effect.

Originally posted by mike89un
Now lets take a look to some of his current works

http://img153.imageshack.us/i/capturadepantalla201012y.png/


That's not his artwork. That's two famous pictures taken from the moon integrated and ridden of color through photoshop or a similar program.

Notice how the sliver of the earth is as depicted by our maps and not the Basatrd!! world map.

If you look carefully over the character (that was put in by the author) you can see the inconsistency in the black. Proving that more than one resolution was used.

Originally posted by mike89un
http://img190.imageshack.us/i/capturadepantalla201012gi.png/

Aside from the stolen and edited images there's nothing impressive in that scan.

Originally posted by mike89un
When I was 12 my mother hated with such passion my manga series.

But one time when I showed her these pics. Even she liked a lot the artworks.


The untrained mind is easily impressed. There's no pencil drawn art that would be considered artistic.

Originally posted by mike89un
So how about not downplaying other series, just because you do not like them?

I like most series I've read, most authors have the ability to produce entertaining stories with characters with a realistic feel to them and present it with art, that pre-rendered would look acceptable.

Thanks to your recommendation, Astner, I was not going to read this manga. However, your arguments against it have got me interested, now. I want to see what is so horrible about this out of morbid curiosity. (Kind of like watching a Uwe Boll film.)

Astner, if you would, I would like a detailed review of Claymore with a main focus of comparing an contrasting it with "Bastard!". IMO, nothing drives your points home more than a comparison to another manga (as you pointed out, it's very silly to compare manga to timeless masterpieces of art.)

Full disclosure: I'm of the opinion the Claymore is a decent manga. Not the best, but definitely not the worst.

Originally posted by Aldric

All that while flaunting some math formula in your sig and complaining about scientifical mistakes like an aspergers ridden clod

Since when is Asperger's syndrome a bad thing? We are human just like everyone else and this sort of prejudice is immature.

This is also being said by a Bastard!! fan.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks to your recommendation, Astner, I was not going to read this manga. However, your arguments against it have got me interested, now. I want to see what is so horrible about this out of morbid curiosity.

Oh well, but don't come back to me weeping after you've scooped your eye-balls out of your skull with a spoon in share horror.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Astner, if you would, I would like a detailed review of Claymore with a main focus of comparing an contrasting it with "Bastard!". IMO, nothing drives your points home more than a comparison to another manga (as you pointed out, it's very silly to compare manga to timeless masterpieces of art.)

I've only read a chapter of Claymore, though I did enjoy the anime the manga seemed stale. I might pick it up, I have a few projects going already ranging from maths, physics to writing, drawing and reading. We'll see once I get the time.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Full disclosure: I'm of the opinion the Claymore is a decent manga. Not the best, but definitely not the worst.

It probably is a decent manga.

Originally posted by Esomark
Since when is Asperger's syndrome a bad thing? We are human just like everyone else and this sort of prejudice is immature.

This is also being said by a Bastard!! fan.

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Originally posted by Esomark
Since when is Asperger's syndrome a bad thing? We are human just like everyone else and this sort of prejudice is immature.

This is also being said by a Bastard!! fan.


I've not been diagnosed with Asperger's or any other mental deficiencies. It's just Abigail trying to get revenge on me for criticizing his favored work of fiction by throwing some e-psychology my way.

It's the same when he said that he was glad that one of my close family members had passed away, based of the vague indication of that I was attending a family funeral which in fact was of my grand-grandmother, which I've only met once it my life and not a family member I had any notable affection for.

Originally posted by Astner
Oh well, but don't come back to me weeping after you've scooped your eye-balls out of your skull with a spoon in share horror.

I've only read a chapter of Claymore, though I did enjoy the anime the manga seemed stale. I might pick it up, I have a few projects going already ranging from maths, physics to writing, drawing and reading. We'll see once I get the time.

It probably is a decent manga.

I have been known to abandon crappy manga so I do not think I will read it if it does not interest me enough. It's popular, so there has to be something about it that attracts people.

And, yes, I understand the busy schedule. After I complete my Cyber Security and Digital Forensics degrees, I will work on a phd in Cyber Security (I'm only 4 years away from completion! Time flies!) Then, I was thinking about finishing my general physics B.S. (or refocusing on that to professional physics) I think that getting a forth in applied math would be prudent for cryptography. So, I will be busy for the next 2 decades of my life. I pass the time at work and during class on KMC, video games, and manga. 😄

Honestly, I think you should create a thread and call it "Asnter's Manga Reviews Thread" and just write reviews on manga that you've read. I really like you thorough approach to reviews.

Originally posted by Esomark
Since when is Asperger's syndrome a bad thing? We are human just like everyone else and this sort of prejudice is immature.

This is also being said by a Bastard!! fan.

You must have very mild Asperger's because you do not seem like you have it, at all. 🙂

But, yeah, that comment was meant to be hurtful and is technically a ban-able offense.