Bastard!! manga review

Originally posted by Astner
"Simply not" you make it sound as if the complexity of Dark Schneider somehow exceeds the complexity, of say Aladdin from Walt Disney's movie under the same name.

That's not the truth. Aladdin is well-made character who the viewer can relate to. He's a flawed character, tormented by the secrets he holds, a thief pretending to be a prince.

Whereas Dark Schneider is suppose to be this flawless character who compares himself to everyone else, making them look bad.

Not at all. It simply is a different idea. Never meant to say it is superior.

You do not get the part where Dark Schneider is intentionally meant to be the antithesis of character such as Aladdin and many other cliche protagonist. The author is intentionally laughing about characters such as Aladdin. That is the main idea about Bastard!!

i.e. The typical villain would give in the middle of the battle "an endless speech about how he planned everything and how evil he is".
The typical hero would pay attention to said speech and wait till the enemy ends so he can start attacking.

Dark Schneider would instead say "ok shut up already and die" while he kills the enemy

Another example:
There are many heroes that when they use their final attack or something like that they start some kind of ritual with lot of fancy and flashy stuff and when they are going to use their attack they say something like "Bow down before the almighty power of my beam the golden rainbow of eternal victory".

Dark Schneider would just -pow- hit the enemy and not waist his time with some speech.

A good of example of this is when the seraphins are fighting against Konron.

Each seraphin represents the stereotypical super hero. And each seraphin attacks Konron with a boring and fancy attack.
But Darsh instead of saying something such as "Angelical cosmic magnum" he just hits Koron on a non-stereotypical fashion.

Yet another example:
Uriel during the hell arc has no choice but chop the head of his little sister Amrael. Amrael was everything for him due to several reasons I am lazy to explain. So he could not handle doing that to his own sister and became a fallen Angel.

The rage of Uriel became wield and unstoppable.

This was Dark Schneider's answer to Uriel's trauma:
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The typical hero would see the best way to stop and help his enemy. But D.S. does the exact opposite and he always says what readers are thinking

who compares himself to everyone else, making them look bad.

And? Really and?

That is the idea. You know I have seen people who hate fictional characters because it makes them remember of someone who they know IRL and how they were humiliated by said person. Obviously I want to think it is not your case.

But again he was meant to be like that, after all he is the black Adam the one who is destined to help Satan to defeat the army of God. Hell even Demon Kings find Dark Schneider disgusting. And he used to be even more evil than now. Apparently meeting Yoko who incidentally is the reincarnation of Lilith and being sealed inside of Luce who actually was revealed to be Lucifer purified his soul. It is still a mastery, but it is speculated that all this was planned by Lucifer who wants to use the Black Adam (the secret weapon of Satan) against Satan and the demon God. It is clear that this was not an accident, though it is still hard to tell. There are two theories.

1) It is possible that Lucifer and Satan are different beings. Where Lucifer would be the good guy while Satan the evil one. Satan works for a higher entity known as the Demon God. And Lucifer following the plan of God is trying to use Dark Schneider as the key element in this war against Satan.

2) Somehow the most likely thing is that Lucifer and Satan are the same person. And with this is as well plausible that God and the Demon God are actually the same being. Which make us think that maybe the idea or philosophy of Hagiwara is that "Light needs Darkness to exist, while Darkness as well Needs light in order to exist". Which could be the way of the author to explain why God does not stop himself such evil that exist in our world.

This might not be so inaccurate considering that Beelzebub and Satan stated something like that. " Love and hatred are the same thing and they need each other".

So probably Lucifer realized about this, separated from Satan (think Kami-sama and King piccolo from Dragonball) and is trying to stop God/demon God from destroying our universe.

In one of the flashbacks of Uriel, Satanel revealed to Uriel that God from the universes he has created is planning to create a new universe. Which leads me to think that it is meant to be a universe with no humans. Who knows? And things are now opened to more possibilities because apparently Luce is as well the white Adam.

It might be even possible that Luce, Lucifer, Satan and Dark Schneider are all the same entity. He is still a character with an enigmatic origin

So you might find more interesting Aladdin a thief who is in denial and wants to be a Prince.

But I like more the the villainous guy who mocks about everyone else, does not care about anything, has the attitude to do and get what he wants.

I express my thoughts on a series. The process is called reviewing and it's a common process you'll doubtlessly will run into again.

Yes son express thoughts is good. But express your thoughts= talk bad about others

Originally posted by Astner
Typical turn-on for Bastard!! fans. Some even go as far as calling Dark Schneider "Darsh", which only his lover (Ashes Ney) is allowed to call him by.

So how about not ignoring the fact that you insulted those who read bastard!! by basically stating that those who read Bastard!! like to see penis huh? If people call him Darsh it is because it is much faster to type Darsh than Dark Schneider. Same reason why you type D.S. But some people forgets what does D.S. or those who are not familiar with the series would know what D.S. means

Originally posted by Astner
If it wasn't for the "parential advisory explicit content" tag covering Porno Diane's ass--provided by Viz translation--I wouldn't be allowed to post this.

You sound like a priest. It is ok if you find disturbing naked woman or sexual jokes like Dark Schneider showing his penis.

But understand that there is lot of people who does not find anything wrong with that neither cares about it, specially since it is a fictional story for Adults. In any case you laugh about it.
It is like if someone tells you a joke related to sex. You just laugh you do not say "OH my holly god protect me from this sinful joke!" or "Holly father a cover with a naked woman and a guy showing his penis, this is so irrespecutful to me, you can not allow nudity neither sexual jokes, even if its on a fictional world".

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not against Bastard!!, but rather the undeserved praise it receives. I can't see why anyone would respect the manga when it's evident that the author doesn't respect it or its readers.

But if you think about it football players get more more money than for example people who study physics and maths. I know lot of people IRL who worked really hard to get a degree on physic/maths and they are poorly paid.

I think as well that many series such as One Piece, Bleach and Naruto get more than what they deserve. But there is nothing to do about it if people likes them.

So deal with it.

Also I do no think at all that the author does not respect the readers.

Maybe you think so because you can not tolerate a character like Dark Schneider, who is intentionally meant to insult everyone including the reader.

The idea is "Dark Schneider is so arrogant, and such mother ****er that he does not show respect to no one, not even to the biblical god and the reader".

Understand that the idea of the author is that the manga and the character are complete mess. It is about going against all the rules about characters, story lines and such.

Bastard!! readers know that and they do not have a problem at all.

Besides that the author has constantly apologized with his readers and said he is an awful mangaka. And says thanks to his followers and the people who read the series.

Other than that there's nothing to the characters at all, no persona or likable quality. It's all a dick-meassuring contest "Haha! My spell is bigger than yours idiot" and the bigger spell they have the better character they should be.

Because that is the idea?

As I already told you, the author mocks about other series and breaks all the "rules" of a manga.

i.e. Typical character who suddenly has absurd power ups.

You are strong but my sword can cut mountains.

Really? because my sword can cut a planet.

My turtle beam is going to crush the planet.

But now my turtle beam is 10000 times more powerful and is bigger than your beam!!!!!

I am going to transform and my powers are going to increase by 100 times.

Hell Bastard!! even has references about power levels and such.

Oh you saw! He can bust a planet!

but he a galaxy

And he a universe

And he is omnipotent

You just need to see the scan of dispel bound to realize about it.

Read carefull and you can see that the author is mocking about all those over powered characters.

I'm not sure what you're trying to convey, you'll need to sharpen up on your English, but you were the one who revived the thread.

By further prolonging it you're only making it more recognizable by most search engines, including google.

I can understand that my english suck, but now do not pretend to ignore some stuff.

In first place I did not post here just because you opened this thread. Neither your nice face

But because your "review" turned into insulting those who read Bastard!!

Yes, that artwork is poorly conceived. The only reason you find it impressive is due to the shadowing, which requires time rather than skill. Not to mention that the shadowing is rather poor as well.

The majority of manga artist do draw better, but most of them wouldn't cloud their art with shadowing so it may not have the same effect.

Hey big guy. You might trick some people, but you are not fooling me. I do draw and I do not need your opinion to know that to be able to draw like that takes lot of experience and it is necessary to develop lot of skill. Because it is not just about shadows, but it requires as well knowledge about volume, profundity and texture. Which the image does have.

That's not his artwork. That's two famous pictures taken from the moon integrated and ridden of color through photoshop or a similar program.

Notice how the sliver of the earth is as depicted by our maps and not the Basatrd!! world map.

If you look carefully over the character (that was put in by the author) you can see the inconsistency in the black. Proving that more than one resolution was used.

Aside from the stolen and edited images there's nothing impressive in that scan.
The untrained mind is easily impressed. There's no pencil drawn art that would be considered artistic.

Really? Really?

I was expecting something better. I think you are an smart guy and you can provide something better.

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Oh yea I wonder how untalented Hagiwara most be to draw any of those pictures and improve them with photoshop or whatever. I mean with photoshop anyone can do that!, it is a pice of cake!! 😖arcasm.jpg

It would be fascinating to see what can you do with your own pencil and photoshop.

Listen Astner... for some reason, Bastard!! is known for having great artworks. And not because I say so, because that is how it has been stated by many forums and even magazines.

I like most series I've read, most authors have the ability to produce entertaining stories with characters with a realistic feel to them and present it with art, that pre-rendered would look acceptable. [/B]

Ok cool I guess.

And if you really know about art. I want you to show me a scan with "decent" acceptable art according to you. And other scan with art that would look awesome to you. Pre-rendered (both of them).

You are asking for pre rendered/ non photoshoped stuff

How about if you try to draw something like this

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K, so I read the first 4 chapters and this is what I think:

The art is horrible. It is so bad that it is distracting.

The story is 'meh' and I am not interested in it enough to continue reading.

The humor is lame.

"No thank-you" to this manga.

Hi again, I've hope you've had a nice new year celebration. Personally I was invited to a nightclub with some friends, which I'm usually not much for because I don't drink. Nevertheless I went, met someone and ended up in bed with her so I guess mine was alright.

Now I've read your responses, but to avoid another mess where I address everything you write I'll mainly address your main positions. In other words I will not address repetitive nonsense--which there's a lot of since you seem obliged to multiple repetitive examples to address one point. If there's something of import you feel that I've left out please point it out and I will highlight those in my next post.

Originally posted by mike89un
You do not get the part where Dark Schneider is intentionally meant to be the antithesis of character such as Aladdin and many other cliche protagonist. The author is intentionally laughing about characters such as Aladdin. That is the main idea about Bastard!!

i.e. The typical villain would give in the middle of the battle "an endless speech about how he planned everything and how evil he is".
The typical hero would pay attention to said speech and wait till the enemy ends so he can start attacking.

Dark Schneider would instead say "ok shut up already and die" while he kills the enemy

It's not a commonly reoccurring theme as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dark Schneider is unrealistically impulsive can only be attributed to bad writing.

Even if it's for the purpose of being a parody Bastard!! is no better than the average Lord of the Rings dub parody, dubbed by two prepubescent teens trying to squeeze in six curse words in a sentence of five words. Not all parodies are good, period.

Originally posted by mike89un
And? Really and?

Originally posted by mike89un
So how about not ignoring the fact that you insulted those who read bastard!! by basically stating that those who read Bastard!! like to see penis huh? If people call him Darsh it is because it is much faster to type Darsh than Dark Schneider. Same reason why you type D.S. But some people forgets what does D.S. or those who are not familiar with the series would know what D.S. means

Not only is D.S. shorter, but that's what he's called in the manga.

I don't have the manga in a computer format, so you'll have to deal with camera pictures, though it's in 14 mega pixels so there's no actual reason for complaint.

Besides, who would recognize Darsh if they hadn't read the manga? Not even a google search of the name would provide any form of insight.

Originally posted by mike89un
You sound like a priest. It is ok if you find disturbing naked woman or sexual jokes like Dark Schneider showing his penis.

Originally posted by mike89un
I can understand that my english suck, but now do not pretend to ignore some stuff.

Furthermore I don't deliberately try to avoid any of your arguments, if I have it's most likely because your poor presentation of them.

Originally posted by mike89un
Oh yea I wonder how untalented Hagiwara most be to draw any of those pictures and improve them with photoshop or whatever. I mean with photoshop anyone can do that!, it is a pice of cake!! 😖arcasm.jpg

Originally posted by mike89un
You are asking for pre rendered/ non photoshoped stuff

How about if you try to draw something like this

http://img32.imageshack.us/f/capturadepantalla201012a.png/

A pre-rendered picture would be a sketch, where you can clearly see the outlines.

Furthermore environmental background is not difficult to draw. The human body commonly referred to as the blueprint of all art. I'll show you some of the disproportional bodies from Bastard!! shortly, but first I'll present some more of my high school art, which I recently brought down from the attic to prove that it's fairly easy to draw a plausible background.

Keep in mind that I only took two art classes in high school, whereof one was obligatory. So my experience does in no way compare to Kazushi Hagiwara's who've supposedly drawn hentai and manga since before I was born. My art shouldn't even be comparable.

A oil painting for a high school art project, the cloth has been scrolled together and has to be straighten out with some heavy books.

Now lets examine some of Kazushi Hagiwara's body illustrations.

Notice how Arshe's disfigured arm reaches down to the hollow of the knee. Further notice that Dark Schneider's body art would've resulted in a F in any high school art class. Keep in mind that the manga pages are drawn of A4 papers before shrunken down to a A5 format.

Originally posted by Astner
I've not been diagnosed with Asperger's or any other mental deficiencies. It's just Abigail trying to get revenge on me for criticizing his favored work of fiction by throwing some e-psychology my way.

My comment wasn't directed at you. It was toward's Aldric's immature and hateful word choices, especially using the term Asperger's like it was a negative trait.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You must have very mild Asperger's because you do not seem like you have it, at all. 🙂

But, yeah, that comment was meant to be hurtful and is technically a ban-able offense.

Thank you! 😎 I'm often told that and I also don't let labels define who I am. It's a part of me rather than my entire self.

Well, I'd better not derail the topic any further! I will say I do enjoy Bastard!! but I can understand why some wouldn't. It's certainly not a manga for everyone but it is for me.

Only thing i've seen of Bastard related stuff is the game on the Snes.

Originally posted by Astner


Notice how Arshe's disfigured arm reaches down to the hollow of the knee. Further notice that Dark Schneider's body art would've resulted in a F in any high school art class. Keep in mind that the manga pages are drawn of A4 papers before shrunken down to a A5 format.

I hoped you wrapped it before you tapped it, Astner. 😄

But about that first image:

I do not understand your first point: I have really longs arms and before my lats and arms got big, they used to come about 3-4 inches above my knee. So how is that anatomically incorrect?

Also, the character's can be drawn anatomically incorrect because it's fiction and manga (different styles), right? Some of the perspective drawing is horribly off and it's "messy", which was what my complaints were about.

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B), right? Some of the perspective drawing is horribly off and it's "messy", which was what my complaints were about. [/B]

Must be a fan of Rob Liefield 😛

Originally posted by Kazenji
Must be a fan of Rob Liefield 😛

Some of his art IS beautiful...but I'm not really familiar with "names."

Originally posted by dadudemon
But about that first image:

I do not understand your first point: I have really longs arms and before my lats and arms got big, they used to come about 3-4 inches above my knee. So how is that anatomically incorrect?

As for your arms, it depends on your length. However, with a stretched back no one should be able to reach your knees, period.

There are similar anatomical errors where D.S.'s legs are 2/3rds of his body length rather than the usual 1/2.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, the character's can be drawn anatomically incorrect because it's fiction and manga (different styles), right? Some of the perspective drawing is horribly off and it's "messy", which was what my complaints were about.

Originally posted by Astner
There are certain anatomical relations that are rather accurate when it comes to the illustration of the human body. For instance, with your arms stretched out the length between your fingertips should be roughly the same as your height.

As for your arms, it depends on your length. However, with a stretched back no one should be able to reach your knees, period.

There are similar anatomical errors where D.S.'s legs are 2/3rds of his body length rather than the usual 1/2.

Full disclosure: my arms, from tip to tip of my middle fingers, are 5.5 inches (almost exactly 14 cm) longer than I am tall. I was just pointing out that people can have slight anatomical variance in their proportions and still be "realistic". But, your next point makes me think that I've been missing what you've been getting at, the whole time.

Originally posted by Astner
It has little to nothing to do with the style. Due to the forum restrictions I don't want to post manga nudity, but if you've seen the sex scene between Gutts and Casca in Berserk you can see how well drawn and proportional the bodies there really are.

Are you saying that sometimes, they are 1/2 and other times they are 2/3? I think that's what you're saying. IMO, that's a problem with just about every manga out there.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't stand reading Bastard!!. I think it was a very large waste of time.

And, yes, that's shitty: we should have a 17+ section for discussing or posting whatever we want. Many of us have had to draw nude characters, just as part of school. Most of us have had to take anatomy courses. So, I do not see the harm in making a section for mature posts: we could easily setup an age verification check for entry, to that sub-forum.