I'm on my ell so I'm at a disadvantage but lets not kid ourselves. Wonder Woman alone would give WWH a better fight than Sentry did. And she can take Sun amped punches at Ten times light speed. She an take punches and kicks from Zoom. Don't kid yourself into thinking hulk is doing any more than those hits did. And she wasn't fighting back in those situations. And Despero beat her ass with 5 other heavy physical leaguers dog piled on him. Hulk had good fightd with Gladiator, Sentry, etc one on one. He would have gotten his face beat in if everyone would have Dog Piled him. Despero ouldnt even be Physcially dispatched. It took nigh onmipotent cursed magic just to bfr him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Depends on what you mean by all his powers. Different incarnations have had different abilities. At times he seems to be nothing more than a brick with telepathy.Despero isn't putting down Hulk physically. Not this Hulk.
Are you really using the inside out feat for Captain Marvel as evidence that he can't be put down physically?
A Intelligent Despero (just as smart as Bruce Banner), with strength, speed, matter manip, and various others like teleportation and mind control would put down Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Depends on what you mean by all his powers. Different incarnations have had different abilities. At times he seems to be nothing more than a brick with telepathy.Despero isn't putting down Hulk physically. Not this Hulk.
Are you really using the inside out feat for Captain Marvel as evidence that he can't be put down physically?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Guess we don't care about current version jobber Despero? vinUnless he's had another appearance that negates him getting one-shotted by Superman... ? He must have, right?
Hold on, the opening post did specify this as Virtue and Vice Despero right?
If it didn't, and we're using the most recent versions....
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHorsepoo.
Superman is demonstrably stronger than any character WWH fought during that storyline. There is enough canon to establish that fact.While the canon isn't as plentiful, by logical extension through many of his fights with Superman and others, Marvel is on par with Superman in terms of strength.
Given their advantages in speed the power of their punches are only enhanced. In addition, Hulk is going to be getting hit a lot more than they are in the exchanges.
marvel is roughly Superman's physical equal.
Backhandedly insinuating that Superman and Captain Marvel will be using lightspeed blitzes for a combo to ko before WWH can possibly react and who can't help but be overwhelmed isn't an argument.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Guess we don't care about current version jobber Despero? vinUnless he's had another appearance that negates him getting one-shotted by Superman... ? He must have, right?
That would get into abberation territory wouldn't it?
There are inexplicable low-feats for most established characters.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Hulk wouldn't be able to touch a superman or Cap Marvel, but they did fight pretty terribly againt Despero, so...
You mean just like all those other bricks that have consistently been unable to touch Superman throughout his entire career like Grundy or the General right....
^ Can I has teh scans plz?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThere's a litany of excuses that have been offered specifically to excuse Superman's raping of Despero that suggests it should be undermined, but actually serve to validate it, i.e., it was a weaker form Despero (how convenient). Unless Despero's incarnated into a significantly more powerful body as demonstrated on-panel, I'm going with current version...
That would get into abberation territory wouldn't it?There are inexplicable low-feats for most established characters.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus... and in any case, even though we're not dealing with inverse ninja law Vice & Virtue Despero, if people are going to accept all his physical feats from that storyline at face value and not any of WWH's from World War Hulk, then I have no reason to take these arguments seriously.
Hold on, the opening post did specify this as Virtue and Vice Despero right?If it didn't, and we're using the most recent versions....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Horsepoo.marvel is roughly Superman's physical equal.
Backhandedly insinuating that Superman and Captain Marvel will be using lightspeed blitzes for a combo to ko before WWH can possibly react and who can't help but be overwhelmed isn't an argument.
OK, how about this.
Superman flies into Midtown and KO's WWH the way The Sentry failed to do.
No lightspeed blitzes.
The exact exchange of fisticuffs that Sentry had with Hulk.
Marvel does the same thing.
Superman and Captain Marvel has superior: reflexes, combat speed, and at least comprable durabilty.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean just like all those other bricks that have consistently been unable to touch Superman throughout his entire career like Grundy or the General right....
Both Grundy and Shaggy Man have shown to be fast. Like Doomsday. Not Flash fast, but fast enough to tag Superman.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Can I has teh scans plz? There's a litany of excuses that have been offered specifically to excuse Superman's raping of Despero that suggests it should be undermined, but actually serve to validate it, i.e., it was a weaker form Despero (how convenient). Unless Despero's incarnated into a significantly more powerful body as demonstrated on-panel, I'm going with current version... ... and in any case, even though we're not dealing with inverse ninja law Vice & Virtue Despero, if people are going to accept all his physical feats from that storyline at face value and not any of WWH's from World War Hulk, then I have no reason to take these arguments seriously.
I think Savage Hulk is superior to WWH but in any case, why would you want WWH facing one of the weakest versions of Despero?
Straight up and without abberations Despero dominates WWH in every single encounter.
The Green Scar version of the Hulk has surpassed any strength feat that Despero has ever mustered. I keep hearing how it takes the Hulk too much time to amp to earth breaking levels and beyond, but his time on Sakaar proves the contrary, he is seen lifting and then shifting the weight of an entire continent, when one of his Warbound buddies taunts him. This took all of what? 10 seconds or less? This talk about the Hulk taking 5-20 minutes to become strong enough to defeat an enemy is absolutely incorrect.
Since we're supposed to go with the characters at their greatest moments has anyone forgotten the mere footstep that nearly tore the entire eastern seaboard off?
I'm not entirely sure about Despero being able to dig into WWHulks brain, as two very powerful telepaths were sent packing in their attempts to do so, but I'm willing to bet that WWHulk would resist Despero's psychic assaults.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Green Scar version of the Hulk has surpassed any strength feat that Despero has ever mustered. I keep hearing how it takes the Hulk too much time to amp to earth breaking levels and beyond, but his time on Sakaar proves the contrary, he is seen lifting and then shifting the weight of an entire continent, when one of his Warbound buddies taunts him. This took all of what? 10 seconds or less? This talk about the Hulk taking 5-20 minutes to become strong enough to defeat an enemy is absolutely incorrect.Since we're supposed to go with the characters at their greatest moments has anyone forgotten the mere footstep that nearly tore the entire eastern seaboard off?
I'm not entirely sure about Despero being able to dig into WWHulks brain, as two very powerful telepaths were sent packing in their attempts to do so, but I'm willing to bet that WWHulk would resist Despero's psychic assaults.
Maxima has shifted entire continents with her TK. Both Supergirl and her has stated Despero is MUCH stronger in the mind and body.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Both Grundy and Shaggy Man have shown to be fast. Like Doomsday. Not Flash fast, but fast enough to tag Superman.
Also, the regular plot limitations exist as well.
Superman rarely goes all out in battles with the exception of Darkseid.
A few punches from the Hulk will let him know he can cut loose.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynSuperman would get knocked out. So would Captain Marvel.
OK, how about this.Superman flies into Midtown and KO's WWH the way The Sentry failed to do.
No lightspeed blitzes.
The exact exchange of fisticuffs that Sentry had with Hulk.
Marvel does the same thing.
Superman and Captain Marvel has superior: reflexes, combat speed, and at least comprable durabilty.
They do not have superior durability than Sentry. Hercules would have been killed in four punches and WWH wasn't going as nearly all-out as he was against Sentry. Sentry took far more, and kept goading him on for more. Neither Superman, nor Captain Marvel are going to be wearing a sh1t-eatin grin, "Ah. That's it."