Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeBeing bfr'd into the twilight realm is beating the guy. I never said they killed him here I said beat him which they did. If you think he wanted to go to the twilight world to take a vacation then you missed something not me.
Yeah, he wasn't beaten by any sages either, lmfao. Did you pay attention when you played the games or was there too much story for you and not enough mindless bloodshed?You can believe that all you want, but when better things have tried and failed to kill him, that scenario is untrue.
LOL at there being too much story. This is a series where the main hero doesn't ever speak but instead makes silly looking faces when chatting it up with the ladies.
If Link cut his head off would he live?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Let's do something different for durability. Follow me now, this might get a little complicated for you.Midna, using all four Fused Shadows, destroyed the barrier around Hyrule Castle that Zant set in place, and made the whole castle go boom. The Light Spirits are stated to be above these in power. In the final boss fight, Zelda shoots Ganondorf numerous times with Light Arrows, created from the Light Spirits' power. He survived this and went on to fight Link, where he took more hits from the Master Sword before finally being defeated.
Even in your mind, BT, Link is an equal to Kain in Strength. Ganondorf's body is durable enough to keep going after taking multiple hits from that level of strength wielding his weakness. Now add in the light arrows, also a weakness, with a power above the Fused Shadows.
Edit: No Quan, Ganon was not beaten by any mages, lol.
Thats not a fair comparison of power, first of all disabling the barrier around the castle is not the same as a physical feat of damage and the light spirits power being in the light arrows does not mean 100% full spirit power. Canonically, Ganons not taken many hits from the MS and when he is hit, it slices him just like any sword would slice a human. Its not found resistance in his flesh....
Also this is not just physical harm but spiritual from the reaver which devours souls on strike. Which is why the Sarafan lord needed the Nexus stone to save him from the reavers power.
And technically Ganon was imprionsed through the twilight mirror by the sages. Despite having the aspect of surprise on his side as well as their slow reactions.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do agree the hylden possession is much more impressive than a knocked out zelda, but my point is neither have ever done so while in mid battle against an enemy. The Hylden Lord didn't possess anyone when he physically made the jump to nosgoth only prior to.Kain had the soulreaver so why is the nexus stone make it any less impressive? With the soulreaver Kain can't be killed so how does he kill him?
I disagree they are far ahead by any means. Kain is the greatest of all vampires and he hasn't gotten that much more powerful than he was in blood omen 2.
These guys will basically sword fight it out in the end.
Why would being mid battle against a foe hinder someone? technically the Hylden lord was across dimentions, surely you can see how thats more of a problem for him which he passed instantly....from a prison he had been in for thousands of years yet instantly he found Janos and possessed him. in this case it would be easy because at least he is on the same plane as Ganondorf, not an entirely different dimension.
the Nexus stone makes him immune to the reavers power as Kain pointed out, the Sarafan lord was not that impressive against Kain other than being immune.
Not gotten much more powerful? what makes you say that? he can fight Raziel for one who is many tonnes times stronger than anyone previously, Raziel has beaten all of his brothers, hordes of soldiers and yet Kain still treats him like a toy. Wheras Blood omen Kain never had to deal with anyone like Raziel, or the Elder God but current Kain did. How can you disagree when we see Blood omen era vampires getting killed by humans and hunteres, their not much stronger than humans tbh, their the similiar physical shape and despite having various powers and higher physical ability their not as impressive as Soul reaver era vampires whos human race use flamethrowers (modern form of Vampires most major weakness) yet are nothing more than an amusing threat to the children of the era.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtBecause possessing someone from another dimension is the only manner in which he accomplished it we never once saw him possess someone while in physical form.
Thats not a fair comparison of power, first of all disabling the barrier around the castle is not the same as a physical feat of damage and the light spirits power being in the light arrows does not mean 100% full spirit power. Canonically, Ganons not taken many hits from the MS and when he is hit, it slices him just like any sword would slice a human. Its not found resistance in his flesh....Also this is not just physical harm but spiritual from the reaver which devours souls on strike. Which is why the Sarafan lord needed the Nexus stone to save him from the reavers power.
And technically Ganon was imprionsed through the twilight mirror by the sages. Despite having the aspect of surprise on his side as well as their slow reactions.
Why would being mid battle against a foe hinder someone? technically the Hylden lord was across dimentions, surely you can see how thats more of a problem for him which he passed instantly....from a prison he had been in for thousands of years yet instantly he found Janos and possessed him. in this case it would be easy because at least he is on the same plane as Ganondorf, not an entirely different dimension.
the Nexus stone makes him immune to the reavers power as Kain pointed out, the Sarafan lord was not that impressive against Kain other than being immune.
Not gotten much more powerful? what makes you say that? he can fight Raziel for one who is many tonnes times stronger than anyone previously, Raziel has beaten all of his brothers, hordes of soldiers and yet Kain still treats him like a toy. Wheras Blood omen Kain never had to deal with anyone like Raziel, or the Elder God but current Kain did. How can you disagree when we see Blood omen era vampires getting killed by humans and hunteres, their not much stronger than humans tbh, their the similiar physical shape and despite having various powers and higher physical ability their not as impressive as Soul reaver era vampires whos human race use flamethrowers (modern form of Vampires most major weakness) yet are nothing more than an amusing threat to the children of the era.
What???????? How was he not impressive he beat him. With the soulreaver you can't kill someone so Kain using it against him makes him unbeatable unless you have the nexus stone.
Kain treats Raziel like a toy which is impressive but the Hylen Lord tossed Janos around like a toy as well. Raziel also has fought Kain rather impressively whereas it's a noncontest when Janos shows up to help Kain against him. Two on one to get him the time needed so he could get the reaver which made him unbeatable ye you act like it only matters against Kain and not for him.
Kain formed an empire around him and dominated the humans and the only reason the vampires were beaten by the humans is the actions of Kain uniting all mankind to stand against them. Vorador is about as evolved as he has been and can still be bested by a mob of humans with the right weapons in the right circumstances.
The Hylden would have crushed nosgoth if they had gotten through the point is made throughout the game his army would tear up this soft world.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Being bfr'd into the twilight realm is beating the guy. I never said they killed him here I said beat him which they did. If you think he wanted to go to the twilight world to take a vacation then you missed something not me.
I'd hardly call that a real winning action. He killed one of them and comes back later anyway. Lol.
Originally posted by quanchi112
LOL at there being too much story. This is a series where the main hero doesn't ever speak but instead makes silly looking faces when chatting it up with the ladies.
Nah, he talks, they just don't write dialogue for him. Thank you for proving my point about not paying attention at all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Link cut his head off would he live?
I dunno. He's survived a sword in the brain before.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not a fair comparison of power, first of all disabling the barrier around the castle is not the same as a physical feat of damage and the light spirits power being in the light arrows does not mean 100% full spirit power. Canonically, Ganons not taken many hits from the MS and when he is hit, it slices him just like any sword would slice a human. Its not found resistance in his flesh....
Disabling, no, destroying, yes.
Lol? "Hey guys, Zelda needs our help, but let's only put a tiny bit of effort into it. She'll be fine. Trust me!"
Originally posted by Burning thought
Also this is not just physical harm but spiritual from the reaver which devours souls on strike. Which is why the Sarafan lord needed the Nexus stone to save him from the reavers power.
Oh you're still on with that. You know better, BT.
We dont see it but we know it happened as he got rid of Janos audrens body when he put it in the device. Also the Dark entity from BO1 ported into Janos when Kain defeated it as well....so...Ganon cannot beat the Hylden lord, it would possess him even if he managed to destroy its physical form.
Thats not quite true, the nexus stone only weakened the soul reavers power. Technically Kain was easily beatable while the Lord had the stone.
Janos was never as impressive as Raziel, not sure Janos has ever shown it. Janos could teleport sure but when he fought the Hylden lord he simply pushed him back, he was still beaten. Dont forget Raziel also beat the Hylden lord when took control of Janos, he was only destroyed because he could not bring himself to kill Janos Audren.
Thats because in the right cirumstances include Moebius' staff, a special plot device weapon that could cripple a vampire spirtually. The fledlings of the Soul reaver era use advanced humans with flamethrowers as sport wheras Blood omen era vampires get killed by spear/crossbow wielding hunters.
Not sure thats evident considering the ancient vampires (or winged race before the blood curse) who were alike to Janos but not immortal stood up against the Hylden and banished them. Kain is stronger than Janos by far, so is Raziel imo.
Originally posted by FinalAnswerBeating Kain, easily taking out Vorador, and tossing janos around like a ragodoll isn't impressive then I guess you think all of bo are is a bunch of wimps.
Pathetic, as in, I have seen nothing impressive from him.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThey did win as he didn't come back for a lonnnng time. He took out one of them and they banished him until Zant brought him back.
I'd hardly call that a real winning action. He killed one of them and comes back later anyway. Lol.Nah, he talks, they just don't write dialogue for him. Thank you for proving my point about not paying attention at all.
I dunno. He's survived a sword in the brain before.
Disabling, no, destroying, yes.
Lol? "Hey guys, Zelda needs our help, but let's only put a tiny bit of effort into it. She'll be fine. Trust me!"
Oh you're still on with that. You know better, BT.
He doesn't talk as we don't see any words written in. he just looks at people as they help progress the storyline. I think the guy needs to start talking and they also need to throw in voice acting and get with the times.
So he failed to survive Link stabbing him yet he could survive an actual beheading?
He doesn't talk because we don't see any words written in? That is the worst logic ever. They even write dialog for some characters that literally tells you Link said something. You know, basic stuff like "Oh, so your name is Link?" And no, voice acting means stupid stuff like DMC dialog is a possibility. And terribad voice acting like..I dunno, One Piece? I hear the English version has really bad voice acting.
No, he survived being stabbed through the brain with a sword. What did you read? It sure wasn't what I wrote.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtKain wasn't easily beatable against the nexus stone it just gave an equal opponent the edge he needed to best him. This has been kain's greatest enemy and he beat him into the dirt for 200 years. That's called barely hanging on.
We dont see it but we know it happened as he got rid of Janos audrens body when he put it in the device. Also the Dark entity from BO1 ported into Janos when Kain defeated it as well....so...Ganon cannot beat the Hylden lord, it would possess him even if he managed to destroy its physical form.Thats not quite true, the nexus stone only weakened the soul reavers power. Technically Kain was easily beatable while the Lord had the stone.
Janos was never as impressive as Raziel, not sure Janos has ever shown it. Janos could teleport sure but when he fought the Hylden lord he simply pushed him back, he was still beaten. Dont forget Raziel also beat the Hylden lord when took control of Janos, he was only destroyed because he could not bring himself to kill Janos Audren.
Thats because in the right cirumstances include Moebius' staff, a special plot device weapon that could cripple a vampire spirtually. The fledlings of the Soul reaver era use advanced humans with flamethrowers as sport wheras Blood omen era vampires get killed by spear/crossbow wielding hunters.
Not sure thats evident considering the ancient vampires (or winged race before the blood curse) who were alike to Janos but not immortal stood up against the Hylden and banished them. Kain is stronger than Janos by far, so is Raziel imo.
Beating a possessed janos isn't the same thing as beating the Hylden Lord. That's like saying Link beat a possessed zelda and comparing her to Ganondorf.
The soulreaver vampires assumed power and control whereas the blood omen vampires had as well but were bested by glyph magic, traitors, and the Hylden Lord eradicating them throughout the land. He'd eradicate soulreaver vampires as well.
The Hylden have become more powerful since then whereas the vampires haven't. I mean Kain was the reason they were coming back and needed to implement vampre guardians but look at the device and the demons coming forth the Hylden were superior to the vampires in general save Kain.
I see nothing to prove Raziel is superior to Janos whatsoever. Raziel didn't handle Janos anywhere near as easily as the Hylden Lord further showing how strong and powerful he was.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAh Ok i do remember nabooru mocking him his name. Ok, he does talk but they need to actually show his words I think anyways.
He doesn't talk because we don't see any words written in? That is the worst logic ever. They even write dialog for some characters that literally tells you Link said something. You know, basic stuff like "Oh, so your name is Link?" And no, voice acting means stupid stuff like DMC dialog is a possibility. And terribad voice acting like..I dunno, One Piece? I hear the English version has really bad voice acting.No, he survived being stabbed through the brain with a sword. What did you read? It sure wasn't what I wrote.
This is tp dorf who survived far less like a stabbing yet you claim Link can behead him maybe when he couldn't recover from a stabbing.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeEntirely subjective. I think a lot of people myself included think gow blows zelda out of the water. Gow keeps getting better whereas loz doesn't.
I'll stick to questioning Nintendo for things like Sakurai making Link suck as opposed to questioning what they do with dialog in what is perhaps the best series in gaming.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteHahahaha, he channeled power after standing there. Hylden Lord easily tosses ancient vampires around whereas Kain at his weakest can rip through armor and tear people's hearts out.
He snapped chains strong enough to support the weight of the giant stone slab he was chained to off the ground, if you remember, that's enough strength to rip through the Hylden Lord like he's made of paper.
Originally posted by quanchi112Those are pathetic strength feats next to waking up from being dead and snapping chains strong enough to support a stone which would weigh many hundreds of tons.
Hahahaha, he channeled power after standing there. Hylden Lord easily tosses ancient vampires around whereas Kain at his weakest can rip through armor and tear people's hearts out.