Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanWhen has he lifted tanks?If this is just from the game(the flipping thing)then I guess a regular spartan can lift elephants too whcih are like 200 tons.Going by the books hes not any more then 20.
I'm assuming it's the fact that he can lift tanks. A scorpion tank is 66 tons.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThey only put that feature in so you don't lose the vehicle.I don't accept that as a lifting feat or hes can like like 200 tons.
Never played Halo? When a Warthog (That's the name right?) crashes and flips over, Chief is able to flip it right over, like literally just flip it over with ease.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Elites are pretty much that.Elite.They are trained for pretty much nothing else but to fight since childhood.The average elite is about 7'6"(mabye a little shorter)and could easily lift 500 lb.Elites look at doctors as being dishonorable because they have to spill blood not in battle.Elites live for fighting have have the body and skills to do it.
I'll give you that.Even a holding back WW would own an elite.Spartans don't have 60 ton strength...i'd put them as 20 tons max.But yeah I would put chief(better then your average spartan)in the same skill range as cap and batman.Can you post scans of these class 100 fights?
Like I just posted he did those.He was able to forumlate escape strategies and create massive damage in minimal time due to him being the perfect solider on top of on the fly thinking.The UNSC created them to be the best of the best of the best(thats reakky what it says in the books).Every part of them is enchanced.
I'd say in a contest of pure skill a guy like Punisher would take a hefty majority against Chief while Cap or Bats would outright stomp.
The fight with Wonder Woman is in page 2 or his respect thread (thanks to Namor for providing the scans 🙂):
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-29ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-30ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-31ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-32ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-33ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-34ocdhorus.jpg
Here he takes a swipe to the face from Starfire (also a Class 100+):
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=NewTeenTitans010-11.jpg
and then he shrugs off one of her starbolts:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=NewTeenTitans010-12.jpg
He also got hit by a lucky swipe from Aquaman (who's strength varies between slightly greater than Master Chief's to genuine Class 100+):
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTerm-13-17.jpg
He immediately recovers from the blow.
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTerm-13-17.jpg
Tanks a flying tackle followed by a kick from Donna Troy as Darkstar:
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_TT46-19.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_TT46-19.jpg
Donna is also Class 100+
After getting kicked around (predictably, given Donna's huge stats advantage) he manages to break away and even draw blood from Donna's lip:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=Deathstroke045-07.jpg
Durability showing:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTermAnnu-02-11.jpg
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTermAnnu-02-12.jpg
That's him taking a point blank blast from a grenade without even losing consciousness.
I think its safe to say that Master Chief's strength /durability advantage isn't going to be enough to secure the win.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
When has he lifted tanks?If this is just from the game(the flipping thing)then I guess a regular spartan can lift elephants too whcih are like 200 tons.Going by the books hes not any more then 20. They only put that feature in so you don't lose the vehicle.I don't accept that as a lifting feat or hes can like like 200 tons.
Regardless of why they gave it to him, he still has it. If they gave him flight just so he can't fall to his death when you jump off of a cliff then he still has flight. So yes a Spartan has that level of strength so they can use it to lift their vehicles or punch someone's head off or whatever. If I'm wrong then I'm sure Marvel or Blax will correct me.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Regardless of why they gave it to him, he still has it. If they gave him flight just so he can't fall to his death when you jump off of a cliff then he still has flight. So yes a Spartan has that level of strength so they can use it to lift their vehicles or punch someone's head off or whatever. If I'm wrong then I'm sure Marvel or Blax will correct me.
There are two problems with using him flipping a tank in the games as evidence of Class 60 strength. Firstly there's the fact that flipping a tank isn't the same as deadlifting a tank over one's head. Secondly I'm not sure how much weight game mechanics should have in determining canon. Aren't there cases within the games of ordinary Marines flipping vehicles?
Edit: Warthogs aren't 60 tons, that's for certain. In Halopedia the Warthog's weight is listed at 3 metric tons (3.25 short tons).
Originally posted by Omega VisionHow does it matter if hes not enchanced?He was trained brutally abotu 20 hrs a day since he was six,has been biologically enchanced since he was 13,and his suit provides additional bonuses.I would put him in or almost in cap and batman skill range.
No way is Chief in the same skill class as Batman or Cap, don't even go there. The Halo Universe lacks the kind of ridiculous MA feats that DC or Marvel have and we don't know how well Chief would do if he weren't enhanced. Never conflate enhanced stats with skills.I'd say in a contest of pure skill a guy like Punisher would take a hefty majority against Chief while Cap or Bats would outright stomp.
The fight with Wonder Woman is in page 2 or his respect thread (thanks to Namor for providing the scans 🙂):
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-29ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-30ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-31ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-32ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-33ocdhorus.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_wonderwomanv2special01-34ocdhorus.jpgHere he takes a swipe to the face from Starfire (also a Class 100+):
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=NewTeenTitans010-11.jpg
and then he shrugs off one of her starbolts:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=NewTeenTitans010-12.jpgHe also got hit by a lucky swipe from Aquaman (who's strength varies between slightly greater than Master Chief's to genuine Class 100+):
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTerm-13-17.jpgHe immediately recovers from the blow.
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTerm-13-17.jpgTanks a flying tackle followed by a kick from Donna Troy as Darkstar:
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_TT46-19.jpg
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/th_TT46-19.jpg
Donna is also Class 100+After getting kicked around (predictably, given Donna's huge stats advantage) he manages to break away and even draw blood from Donna's lip:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=Deathstroke045-07.jpgDurability showing:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTermAnnu-02-11.jpg
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view¤t=DeathTermAnnu-02-12.jpg
That's him taking a point blank blast from a grenade without even losing consciousness.I think its safe to say that Master Chief's strength /durability advantage isn't going to be enough to secure the win.
I wouldn't say that.
The wonder woman scans are too small for me to read and my computer won't let me zoom in.See if you can fix that.
So he takes one hit from a class(what class is she?Is she like 4-50?).Not sure about the starbolt but I think chiefs shields can hold up to one of those.
That didn't look so much as a hit as aquaman grabbing his leg and throwing him into a pile of planks.
Once again it didn't look like he was hit.
Ok not bad.Scans are too small for me to read though.
Hes skilled and fast.And can deliever a kick that can draw blood.I'd say he is more agile then chief.No doubt about that.
Didn't look like nothing it looked like he took it can healed.Chief can take grenades too.
Chiefs strength isn't that high but his shields can take one heckuva beating.Hes also very skilled.What class of strength is slade?So so far
Strength: Unknown(I think chief)
Durability: Armor + shields chief gets it
HF: Slades HF compensates for durability which isn't low either
Speed: As for running speed chief
Combat speed: I'd call it a tie though I'm slightly leaning towards chief
Agility: Slade by far
Experience: Slade by 20 years
Weapons effectiveness: Both are experts with pretty much all weapons.
Skill: See combat speed but I could be wrong on both.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixDo you really think chief can lift an elephant?Hes not that strong but they put it in the game just so you don't lose the vehicle.I'd say he can life a warthog and below but not a scorpion.
Regardless of why they gave it to him, he still has it. If they gave him flight just so he can't fall to his death when you jump off of a cliff then he still has flight. So yes a Spartan has that level of strength so they can use it to lift their vehicles or punch someone's head off or whatever. If I'm wrong then I'm sure Marvel or Blax will correct me.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe is at least as strong as spiderman but not class 60 by a long shot.
I think its safe to say that Master Chief is at least as strong as Spider-Man, though I'd really love for some documentation on his supposed tank lifting feat.There are two problems with using him flipping a tank in the games as evidence of Class 60 strength. Firstly there's the fact that flipping a tank isn't the same as deadlifting a tank over one's head. Secondly I'm not sure how much weight game mechanics should have in determining canon. Aren't there cases within the games of ordinary Marines flipping vehicles?
Edit: Warthogs aren't 60 tons, that's for certain. In Halopedia the Warthog's weight is listed at 3 metric tons (3.25 short tons).
Yes there are.And spartans flipping elephants which are like 200 tons.Reading the books hes strong but not capable of that.
Yeah i'd say thats right.He could easily lift that.
Originally posted by Black bolt z\
How does it matter if hes not enchanced?He was trained brutally abotu 20 hrs a day since he was six,has been biologically enchanced since he was 13,and his suit provides additional bonuses.I would put him in or almost in cap and batman skill range.I wouldn't say that.
The wonder woman scans are too small for me to read and my computer won't let me zoom in.See if you can fix that.
So he takes one hit from a class(what class is she?Is she like 4-50?).Not sure about the starbolt but I think chiefs shields can hold up to one of those.
That didn't look so much as a hit as aquaman grabbing his leg and throwing him into a pile of planks.
Once again it didn't look like he was hit.
Ok not bad.Scans are too small for me to read though.
Hes skilled and fast.And can deliever a kick that can draw blood.I'd say he is more agile then chief.No doubt about that.
Didn't look like nothing it looked like he took it can healed.Chief can take grenades too.
Chiefs strength isn't that high but his shields can take one heckuva beating.Hes also very skilled.What class of strength is slade?So so far
Strength: Unknown(I think chief)
Durability: Armor + shields chief gets it
HF: Slades HF compensates for durability which isn't low either
Speed: As for running speed chief
Combat speed: I'd call it a tie though I'm slightly leaning towards chief
Agility: Slade by far
Experience: Slade by 20 years
Weapons effectiveness: Both are experts with pretty much all weapons.
Skill: See combat speed but I could be wrong on both.
Starfire is definitely Class 100+, its just her strength isn't emphasized as much as her energy projection.
Do you have any skill showings for Chief that even compare to the low end feats of Batman or Captain America?
No way does Chief have greater combat speed than Slade. Slade tags speedsters regularly.
Skill is pretty much a no-brainer. Deathstroke has Chief beat there. When Chief takes on multiple Elite MAs at once call me.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThanks
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Sorry about the scans, you can check them out in DS's respect thread for a better look.Starfire is definitely Class 100+, its just her strength isn't emphasized as much as her energy projection.
Do you have any skill showings for Chief that even compare to the low end feats of Batman or Captain America?
No way does Chief have greater combat speed than Slade. Slade tags speedsters regularly.
Skill is pretty much a no-brainer. Deathstroke has Chief beat there. When Chief takes on multiple Elite MAs at once call me.
So yeah.Impressive taking a punch and I don't want to downplay it but it is just one punch.
4 spartans killing 1000 grunts,going hand to hand with elites and beating them(and holding thier own against brutes),being peak human before the halos SSS and then enchanced again through the suit.
Speedsters like?Like I said I may have been wrong about it but chief has great combat speed too.Whats his best combat speed feat?
Elites MA's?What does MA mean?But yeah regular spartans have done that.3 or 4 I think.I wouldn't be so sure that slade has better then chief.I mean shief has been trained for 37 years with biological enchancements and a suit that increases all of his stats(I think its 3 fold IIRC but I could be wrong).Created to be the best of the best of the best.I'd say he could at least match slade in skill.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
ThanksSo yeah.Impressive taking a punch and I don't want to downplay it but it is just one punch.
4 spartans killing 1000 grunts,going hand to hand with elites and beating them(and holding thier own against brutes),being peak human before the halos SSS and then enchanced again through the suit.
Speedsters like?Like I said I may have been wrong about it but chief has great combat speed too.Whats his best combat speed feat?
Elites MA's?What does MA mean?But yeah regular spartans have done that.3 or 4 I think.I wouldn't be so sure that slade has better then chief.I mean shief has been trained for 37 years with biological enchancements and a suit that increases all of his stats(I think its 3 fold IIRC but I could be wrong).Created to be the best of the best of the best.I'd say he could at least match slade in skill.
Grunts are fodder, besides was it in pur h/h or did the Spartans have guns?
Going h/h with Brutes and Elites is impressive but considering Spartans are the physical equal of Elites and at least close to Brutes in that regard this isn't much of an accomplishment. Deathstroke engaging Wonder Woman is much more impressive given the gap in stats is much larger and given that Wonder Woman is more skilled than Master Chief.
Speedsters like Flash, Impulse, Captain Marvel Jr, and Kid Flash. In Identity Crisis Green Arrow stated (just before Slade stabbed Flash) that while Slade couldn't beat Flash in a footrace he was "faster where it counts".
Now I don't actually think that's correct, I just believe that Slade is fast enough that when combined with his enhanced senses he can react to and thwart a Flash speedblitz.
Hard to say what DS's greatest combat feat is. Without a doubt his best showing was when he pwned the Justice League in Identity Crisis but without prep of any kind I'd say him holding his own against the Teen Titans without any prep while they were more or less bloodlusted.
Elite MA: Elite Martial Artist.
There are no martial artists in the Haloverse who can compare to the Top Tiers of DC and Marvel, that's not a strike against Halo, it just means that Halo's emphasis on MA is much less pronounced. That's only natural since the Universe is based around a shooter game.
Deathstroke has beaten multiple elite Martial Artists at the same time whereas MC's greatest skill feat seems to be "engaging Elites in h/h".
Deathstroke's enhancements have usually been stated as having increased his attributes tenfold, though his reflexes and rate of healing have been increased far beyond a 10x effect.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI don't doubt that.Just gonna say that chief pretty much did the exact same thing to 3 ODST's he was fighting in a boxing ring(without armor or shields)at the same time.He pretty much one-shotted them each.
One punch that would crush an ordinary human's skull.Grunts are fodder, besides was it in pur h/h or did the Spartans have guns?
Going h/h with Brutes and Elites is impressive but considering Spartans are the physical equal of Elites and at least close to Brutes in that regard this isn't much of an accomplishment. Deathstroke engaging Wonder Woman is much more impressive given the gap in stats is much larger and given that Wonder Woman is more skilled than Master Chief.
Speedsters like Flash, Impulse, Captain Marvel Jr, and Kid Flash. In Identity Crisis Green Arrow stated (just before Slade stabbed Flash) that while Slade couldn't beat Flash in a footrace he was "faster where it counts".
Now I don't actually think that's correct, I just believe that Slade is fast enough that when combined with his enhanced senses he can react to and thwart a Flash speedblitz.
Hard to say what DS's greatest combat feat is. Without a doubt his best showing was when he pwned the Justice League in Identity Crisis but without prep of any kind I'd say him holding his own against the Teen Titans without any prep while they were more or less bloodlusted.
Elite MA: Elite Martial Artist.
There are no martial artists in the Haloverse who can compare to the Top Tiers of DC and Marvel, that's not a strike against Halo, it just means that Halo's emphasis on MA is much less pronounced. That's only natural since the Universe is based around a shooter game.
Deathstroke has beaten multiple elite Martial Artists at the same time whereas MC's greatest skill feat seems to be "engaging Elites in h/h".
Deathstroke's enhancements have usually been stated as having increased his attributes tenfold, though his reflexes and rate of healing have been increased far beyond a 10x effect.
Yes they are.But 4 vs. 1000 and the grunts had plasma turrents mounted and had wraiths.
Two things.Haven't looked at the scans yet so who won that fight?WW or slade?Cuz you said WW was holding back and not saying its not impressive but to be beaten by a holding back someone.Then again it is wonder woman and I will give him a big piece of credit for that.Is that his one of his higher H2h feats?
Having a high agility is where it counts.And slade does have a much higher agility then chief which will be a big advantage.
And he is.I'm not sure about combat speed but slade does have agility and senses(senses only by a little)on him.
Okay thats a couple points for DS.Did he have weapons or was it just him H2h?Cuz that does make a difference.If you give chief weapons he could come close to doing that.Not nessicarily do it though.
Oh...I thought you were talking about actual elites.
The reason I say that chief can match people like cap and batman in skills is he has over 30 years of experience,has every war medal except prisinor of war,has been biologically enchanced like cap and then had everything increased 3 fold by his suit.
No thats not it.Its an impressive feat engaging elites in fist fights and skills.All of them are trained like spartans.And no that is not his greatest feat.I know that.
Impressive.So so far
Strength: Chief
Durability: Amor and shields gives chief the win.
HF: Slade gets a high HF instead of durability
Speed:As for running speed chief
Combat speed: Debateable but leaning towards Slade now.
Agility: Slade by far
Experience: Slade by 20 years
Weapons effectiveness: Both are experts with pretty much all weapons.
Skill: Debateable.Depends how you define skill.If you go by H2h ability alone I might say chief.But if you go by MA abilities it goes to slade.
But the problem I see wil slade putting down chief is his armor and shields.Yes slade may be more agile and yes slade may be the better H2h fighter but chiefs armor is designed to take multiple shots for plasma guns which easily eat through the hulls of spave ships.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanHow does slade put chief down?Really the only weapon the the battlefield that can put chief down for the count is the plasma grenade.And going by the books hes less likely to get shot then it might seem.
His armor was also unscathed after falling through the atmosphere and crash landing from miles up. He basically just fell from space.I'm leaning toward Slade winning, personally, but I think he is going to have a hell of a time putting the Chief down.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI relize that and i'm sure he can master them quickly but really with chiefs speed and agility + his mastery of all weapons on the field I only see the plasma grenade taking him down.And any of the plasma weapons would just eat away at slade in seconds.3-5 good shots from a plasma weapon and slade is dead.Chiefs armor was designed to take plasma.
As I said at the beginning Slade's bo-staff has a shot at overpowering Chief's shield and his sword is absurdly sharp.Don't forget that in Scenario One Slade has access to plasma grenades and other Haloverse weaponry.
