Originally posted by psycho gundam
pain/nagato (naruto) vs juggernautany takers?
Originally posted by Naija boysX161ulHrSA&feature=related
This would be a stompage in jugges favor. Pain cant even hurt him. Shinra tensei wont even affect a moving juggernaut. and juggs could easily oneshot pain when he gets his hands on him. Juggs vs the whole of akatsuki would likely go the same way.
Originally posted by marwash22
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Pitiful attempt at humour.....U cud hve saved this thread the weak video spamming and just said u have little knowledge of the juggernauts abilities....*facepalm*
Tho im not gonna lie id really wan to here ur reasoning (if it can even be called that) for how pain or any of the akatsuki members would dish out any form of damage to the high level class 100, nearly completely invuulnerable juggernaut sans bfr. heh....go ahead.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Current Quicksilver was also running around at speeds faster than radio waves. That's a light speed feat.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Current Quicksilver has gotten a push.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Sans MAdaras time space BFR there is not much they can do. Genjutsu really isnt likely to work at all, not to mention there is the helmet.
Why wouldn't genjutsu work? Its akin to mind-rape and if you use an open definition of chakra on the narutoverse it could easily tamper Juggernaut's connection with Cyttorrak. But most of all genjutsu is, in everyway that matters, mind-rape.
Originally posted by Etna
And that is why I dont think people are gonna nod to this.The series isn't main stream manga like Bleach or Naruto. Another thing is most people on this side of the site is all about comic books.
Its also a very old violent series, so most kids and teenagers wouldn't know or care for this one.
But, Berserk is probably one of the highest quality Manga!Femto is the main antagonist to Berserk
OH, I'm downloading berserk right now, although guns where never really my thing.
Originally posted by Bentley
Why wouldn't genjutsu work? Its akin to mind-rape and if you use an open definition of chakra on the narutoverse it could easily tamper Juggernaut's connection with Cyttorrak. But most of all genjutsu is, in everyway that matters, mind-rape.
Because juggernaut is a being powered by magical energy. Chakra even if we decide to apply it across the board, is a form of natural energy and not magical and genjutsu works by manipulating the chakra flow to the brain. So to think a naruto character would then be able to bypass juggernauts enchantment (which gives him resistance to internal manipulation and such) or tamper with it and compromise his enchantment, when the type of energy powering said enchantment is entirely alien to anything the naruto character has encountered before is hugely far fetched and entering into the realm of the absurd......
But still, the difference between using psi waves to mess with someone's mind or using internal energy is very thin.
About the speculation of tampering with the enchantment: First of all I'm pretty aware of the fact it is a speculation, but given that Cain's relationship with Cyttorrak is sort of a connection with Juggernaut's own soul/life energy, you could theoretically, keep Juggs from accessing Cyttorrak. But my actual point is the mind-rape analogy.
Originally posted by Bentley
But still, the difference between using psi waves to mess with someone's mind or using internal energy is very thin.About the speculation of tampering with the enchantment: First of all I'm pretty aware of the fact it is a speculation, but given that Cain's relationship with Cyttorrak is sort of a connection with Juggernaut's own soul/life energy, you could theoretically, keep Juggs from accessing Cyttorrak. But my actual point is the mind-rape analogy.
U may call it thin, but the fact is that the difference exists and plays a key role here. Naruto genjutsu works via internal chakra manipulation not psi-waves and therefore unless u have examples of a naruto character manipulating a being powered and sustained by magical energy then genjutsu isnt going to work. This difference is further illustrated through the method in which genjutsu in the naruto verse is broken out of: Chakra disruption.
Moreover u can keep juggs from accessing cyttorak, we saw thor do that. However there is nothing to indicate any naruto chracter is capablee of this so its little more than wishful thinking.
Originally posted by Bentley
If Juggernaut's psychic energy can be manipulated I don't see why his chakra couldn't be affected, most of all, I don't see how Juggs invulnerability gets extended to his chakra.
Its less of juggernauts pyshic energy being manipulated than it is psychic energy being used to manipulate juggernaut. Moreover, the simple fact of the matter is that juggs has no chakra system and suddenly granting him one would be an unfair handicap seeing as he would simply be given a chakra system but would lack any abilities to control or manipulate it. Further even if we arbitrarily grant juggs a chakra system all we can do is speculate about how it would mesh with the already existing magical energy thats powering him.
Yeah, but making genjutsu absolutely useless for Naruto characters wouldn't be fair either would it? Its just fair to think that since Juggs has no resistance against psychic energies, which again, manipulate Juggernaut's thoughts and nervous system -because he thinks-, there is no good reason to claim he could defend a chakra system when its used to the same end.
Edit: But well, I think nothing was actually proposed on this vein so let's not dig further off topic.