Twilight versus Star Wars...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Please explain to me a power that the vampires have that allows them to resist the Force. To my knowledge, they don't.

The Jedi turn on their lightsabers.
The Jedi Force pull (which the vampires cannot block) the vampires.
The Jedi impale the vampires.
The Jedi win.

Common argument for Twilight vampires:

"Twilight vampires can resist the Force" - untrue. They themselves don't even know about the Force.

"Twilight vampires are faster" - debatable. Jedi are pretty darn fast as well, especially if you were to factor in the CANON EU sources in which Jedi sometimes moves faster than the eye, even a Force sensitive eye, can detect. Either way, the vampires can't move fast enough to avoid being Force TK'd.

"Twilight vampires are stronger" - Maybe in pure physical strength, but not compared to a Jedi's Force TK abilities.

"Twilight vampires have better pre cog" - debatable, but either way the Jedi will simply Force TK them.

Nothing is allowed in these threads except for the movies.

Alice definitely has better precog as it doesn't happen in a "once in a while vision" she can see visions instantly and they are as vivd as seeing them with her own eyes. lol...they even have sound. And as soon as the future changes, she sees the new future, immediately.

Her battle precog is on a whole other level. Jasper couldn't even touch her and he is the most battle hardened vampire in the Cullen coven. He is second fastest to Edward and second strongest to Emmett, has over a century of battle and was trained in war tactics, making him the most deadly vampire, and he couldn't even touch Alice (despite being faster, stronger, and a better fighter). Alice made him look like a fool.

Get this: he swung and hit nothing but air, and she was up in a tree, 20 feet away, jumped on his back, and taunted him. That type of speed and battle precog was never seen by any Jedi.

Also, the Cullens would know all about the Jedi and any of the other forces, as soon as they decided to attack. As soon as anyone decided to attack the Cullens, Alice would see the entire thing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not exactly sure where you're getting this strength level from the vampires (not saying you're lying, not a Twilight master), we've got Edward stopping a van with his hand and then pushing a tree over, both very impressive, but nothing Yoda couldn't do and in spades via the Force.

My bad, meant granite; said marble instead. Bullet-proof as in they sustain zero damage form gun fire or gun fire would cause some damage (as in against a granite slab), but mostly negligible? Something from the movies to back either up would be great.

I've seen various fight-clips, when they fight, they seem to move fast, but definitely slow down when fighting/exchanging blows. Saw a clip from Eclipse, the werewolves fighting vampires; there was no "blurring" speeds. Seems very inconsistent.

If you think my argument is based on "twilight hate", you're mistaken. It's a retarded franchise, but that's not factoring in.

Jedi can anticipate and block baster-fire. Are you saying that a vampire could charge and attack a Jedi far faster than this? If so, proof?

Edward stopped the movie van with his hand and barely tried.

Bella remarked that a car is like styrofoam to a vampire.

Vampires are also faster than a commercial jet air-liner...far faster. James had enough time to back track, go back to Forks, and retrace Bella's scent, and predict that she was on a flight to Phoenix, and get there before she did, in time to go through her shit, find one tape, and taunt her about it.

Isn't that 500Mph+ ?

That's ridiculous.

And don't worry about it: Meyer stole the hard as "insert some sort of stone name here that makes the reader think the vampire is rather solid, here" stone thing from Rice, anyway.

And, no, Yoda cannot push a large living tree over, with the force, even remotely as fast as Edward did. The force required to push the tree over, from the point Edward did, is just ridiculous. That would put well above a 100+ to class lifter. Yoda has not done anything remotely close to 20 tons, much less 100+ tons.

Also, the "blurring" speed thing. You're right. The director is totally inconsistant in movie 3, with that shit. Bella described Edward's everyday movement, when no one was around, as instant. She'd be talking to him out of her car and he would disappear and touch her back. But he made Alice move so fast that it seemed instant...but then they fight against he newborns was HUMAN SPEED! Yet we have them moving "blurring fast" in the first two films.

Inconsistant out of the ass, for sure.

No, actually, I think that only some of your arguments are based on twi-hate. Really, it seems if you're trying to approach this objectively and weigh both sides, which not one person is doing in this thread (cept maybe Placidity and myself.)

You're premise assumes that a Vampire will charge and attack in the straight line. That's not what they'd do at all. Jasper taught them to NOT do that. That was the whole point of their training.

Subtract the obvious gimping the director applied in movie 3, and you have a very well versed fighter that does attack in a very straight-line.

I demmaned proof that any Jedi or force user has ever fought anyone that moves like the Flash but has the strength of Juggernaut.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing is allowed in these threads except for the movies.

Alice definitely has better precog as it doesn't happen in a "once in a while vision" she can see visions instantly and they are as vivd as seeing them with her own eyes. lol...they even have sound. And as soon as the future changes, she sees the new future, immediately.

Her battle precog is on a whole other level. Jasper couldn't even touch her and he is the most battle hardened vampire in the Cullen coven. He is second fastest to Edward and second strongest to Emmett, has over a century of battle and was trained in war tactics, making him the most deadly vampire, and he couldn't even touch Alice (despite being faster, stronger, and a better fighter). Alice made him look like a fool.

Get this: he swung and hit nothing but air, and she was up in a tree, 20 feet away, jumped on his back, and taunted him. That type of speed and battle precog was never seen by any Jedi.

Also, the Cullens would know all about the Jedi and any of the other forces, as soon as they decided to attack. As soon as anyone decided to attack the Cullens, Alice would see the entire thing.

Who has the better precog, who is the fastest, who is the strongest, this shit is a moot point.

So what if Alice has better precog? The Jedi have precog and will know when and where she will attack, as will every other Jedi. There is absolutely no way a Twivamp gets close enough to a Jedi without the Jedi knowing about it a split second beforehand. Anakin will sense Jasper coming at him and attacking from the right, so Anakin will force push him into the lava or cut him to bits.

Look at how fast Yoda is while fighting:

YouTube video

And ANakin/Obi Wan/Maul:

YouTube video

bPLXwrj7i7Q&feature=related

A Twivamp gets close to them, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.......

Dooku:

YouTube video

Check out what he does to Obi Wan at 1:20.

And check out what Obi Wan does to the droids at 1:10.

Do I need to elaborate?

Originally posted by dadudemon

I demmaned proof that any Jedi or force user has ever fought anyone that moves like the Flash but has the strength of Juggernaut.

See that? 😉

Thank you Rogue Jedi for showing evidence and stating the obvious. If a Twivamp saw the capabilities of a Jedi they would be more than impressed. If a Twivamp faced a Sith in combat with a deep knowledge of the dark side like Sidious, sorry for the vamps. They wouldn't understand Djem So for example and I will go as far to say, Jacob would stay the hell away from a Sith. He would realize he wouldn't have a prayer of successfully fighting someone of that power and speed.

dadudemon, TK is the most basic Force ability a Jedi & Sith are taught. It is seen in all of the movies 1-6. I have yet, to hear or see a Vamp use that ability or defend against it. What about a Force-augmented jump? A Twivamp cannont execute that type of jump. A Jedi & Sith fight faster due to their pre-cog abilities. Vamps and Shapeshifters would be pissed due to the anticipation of the Jedi and Sith.

BTW - No Vamp or Shapeshifter would want to meet a bloodlusted Anakin/Vader in RoTS.

Why is no one giving the Fett's any notice?

Good question Rogue. I guess we got caught up destroying Twilight that we forgot to include the badass Mandalorian bounty hunter. Nearly forgot, what about the clones from the Clone Wars? Or the Stormtroopers?

The Clones and Stormtroopers aren't in this thread. I put the Fett's in the thread, and Grievous.

DDM is right, a Twivamp would take down a shitload of Clones. Not as many as he says, but a shitload.

Yes, but eventually they would be overrun by the sheer number like at the Battle of Geonesis.

Mhm, probably. It'd take a helluva lot more than a DC-15 blaster rifle though. Prolly artillery. Thread idea 😖hifty:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing is allowed in these threads except for the movies.

Alice definitely has better precog as it doesn't happen in a "once in a while vision" she can see visions instantly and they are as vivd as seeing them with her own eyes. lol...they even have sound. And as soon as the future changes, she sees the new future, immediately.

Her battle precog is on a whole other level. Jasper couldn't even touch her and he is the most battle hardened vampire in the Cullen coven. He is second fastest to Edward and second strongest to Emmett, has over a century of battle and was trained in war tactics, making him the most deadly vampire, and he couldn't even touch Alice (despite being faster, stronger, and a better fighter). Alice made him look like a fool.

Get this: he swung and hit nothing but air, and she was up in a tree, 20 feet away, jumped on his back, and taunted him. That type of speed and battle precog was never seen by any Jedi.

Also, the Cullens would know all about the Jedi and any of the other forces, as soon as they decided to attack. As soon as anyone decided to attack the Cullens, Alice would see the entire thing.

And how does this help the Twilight vampires in any significant way in this case? The Jedi still win via mass Force TK and lightsabers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Who has the better precog, who is the fastest, who is the strongest, this shit is a moot point.

So what if Alice has better precog? The Jedi have precog and will know [b]when and where she will attack, as will every other Jedi. There is absolutely no way a Twivamp gets close enough to a Jedi without the Jedi knowing about it a split second beforehand. Anakin will sense Jasper coming at him and attacking from the right, so Anakin will force push him into the lava or cut him to bits. [/B]

There's one problem with your theory:

They could possible know, but they won't be able to react near fast enough. A jedi, which moves its sword human speed but with Jedi precog, cannot move it's sword faster than a twivamp moves which is >>>>>>>>>> than a Jedi or any force trained user.

Strength: No context. Even if you multiplied a force user's strength by 100, it still doesn't come close to a twivamp

Speed: No contest. A twivamp is absurdly fast. Who is faster from movie? Superman (and people like him from his movies), ummmm....dang, I'm drawing a blank, here. I thought of some others like Bene Gesserit but those dudes didn't move fast like they did in the novels (but did move fast in the mini-series on sci-fi) and even then they are slower than twivamps.

Precog: Only ALice has it but Edward's mind reading ability was just as effective against Jasper because Jasper couldn't land a hit at all on Edward when they trained, just the same as Alice. All other vamps can react faster than a Jedi making it seem as though they have precog to a human, but they don't: it's just really fast perception.

Durability: no contest. Not even a disrupter blast would take down a vamp...though it would give some superficial damage and if it weren't for their healing abilities, repeated disrupter blasts should punch a hole through..but he vamps can heal too quickly.

Combat ability and Damage: This is a toughie. I had a hard time figuring this one out which is why it took too long for me to decided which side to take. I chose force user and military side at first. But I forgot about Alice's pre-sight which the Cullens heavily rely on. I want to give it to the force user's because of their swords being able to dice up a vamp, no problem, but I didn't think about them moving at ultra fast speeds, being able to easily avoid a saber, so this definitely goes to the Twivamps. Combat ability, well, that's easy, since a twivamp can took out a fully armed force of thousands of troops, no problem.

Intelligence: Depends on the person. Emmett doesn't care for smarts, but he's still a vampire. Carlisle and Edward are probably smarter than any one human (yet Edward has girls troubles...puhleez.) Yoda is probably a genius compared to a human with Mace being even smarter. So, it's hard to say. I'll give this to the Force users and military but...Bella does mention in book 4 that vampires get something like a photographic memory...but that doesn't equate to intelligence and that might not even show up in movie 4.

Special powers: Prolly the Twivamps. Just Alice alone makes this entire thread spite, imo. I would feel much better if you guys would stop making threads with Alice in them as even the Volturi were weary of attacking the Cullens because of Alice. Anyway, if it's just the Cullens, then the special abilities go to the force users. So, I think the stipulation was made to be the Cullens, so I'll change my answer to the Force users.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Look at how fast Yoda is while fighting:

YouTube video

And ANakin/Obi Wan/Maul:

YouTube video

bPLXwrj7i7Q&feature=related

A Twivamp gets close to them, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.......

Which isn't even nearly as fast as even a very slow mo'd twivamp. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dooku:

YouTube video

Check out what he does to Obi Wan at 1:20.

And check out what Obi Wan does to the droids at 1:10.

Do I need to elaborate?

No you don't as it's a point that was already addressed.

If the point of these threads are to just pretend that the twivamps wouldn't destroy just about any character you guys can think of, then they need to stop as NO ONE is a twilight fan and I'm the only one trying to be reasonable.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And how does this help the Twilight vampires in any significant way in this case? The Jedi still win via mass Force TK and lightsabers.

No they don't. The Jedi don't get to use sabers or TK on a target that they can't hit.

Edit, well it looks like I'm the only one in this whole forum who will ever view the Twivamps objectively so I concede.

The Jedi rape the Twivamps, horrendously, because their saber will ignite their "fluids" as soon as it pierces their skin. (Which is an argument I used before someone brought up some good points.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
There's one problem with your theory:

They could possible know, but they won't be able to react near fast enough. A jedi, which moves its sword human speed but with Jedi precog, cannot move it's sword faster than a twivamp moves which is >>>>>>>>>> than a Jedi or any force trained user.

Strength: No context. Even if you multiplied a force user's strength by 100, it still doesn't come close to a twivamp

Speed: No contest. A twivamp is absurdly fast. Who is faster from movie? Superman (and people like him from his movies), ummmm....dang, I'm drawing a blank, here. I thought of some others like Bene Gesserit but those dudes didn't move fast like they did in the novels (but did move fast in the mini-series on sci-fi) and even then they are slower than twivamps.

Precog: Only ALice has it but Edward's mind reading ability was just as effective against Jasper because Jasper couldn't land a hit at all on Edward when they trained, just the same as Alice. All other vamps can react faster than a Jedi making it seem as though they have precog to a human, but they don't: it's just really fast perception.

Durability: no contest. Not even a disrupter blast would take down a vamp...though it would give some superficial damage and if it weren't for their healing abilities, repeated disrupter blasts should punch a hole through..but he vamps can heal too quickly.

Combat ability and Damage: This is a toughie. I had a hard time figuring this one out which is why it took too long for me to decided which side to take. I chose force user and military side at first. But I forgot about Alice's pre-sight which the Cullens heavily rely on. I want to give it to the force user's because of their swords being able to dice up a vamp, no problem, but I didn't think about them moving at ultra fast speeds, being able to easily avoid a saber, so this definitely goes to the Twivamps. Combat ability, well, that's easy, since a twivamp can took out a fully armed force of thousands of troops, no problem.

Intelligence: Depends on the person. Emmett doesn't care for smarts, but he's still a vampire. Carlisle and Edward are probably smarter than any one human (yet Edward has girls troubles...puhleez.) Yoda is probably a genius compared to a human with Mace being even smarter. So, it's hard to say. I'll give this to the Force users and military but...Bella does mention in book 4 that vampires get something like a photographic memory...but that doesn't equate to intelligence and that might not even show up in movie 4.

Special powers: Prolly the Twivamps. Just Alice alone makes this entire thread spite, imo. I would feel much better if you guys would stop making threads with Alice in them as even the Volturi were weary of attacking the Cullens because of Alice. Anyway, if it's just the Cullens, then the special abilities go to the force users. So, I think the stipulation was made to be the Cullens, so I'll change my answer to the Force users.

Which isn't even nearly as fast as even a very slow mo'd twivamp. 🙂

No you don't as it's a point that was already addressed.

If the point of these threads are to just pretend that the twivamps wouldn't destroy just about any character you guys can think of, then they need to stop as NO ONE is a twilight fan and I'm the only one trying to be reasonable.

facepalm infinity.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
facepalm infinity.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'd definitely hit Alice, Rosalie, Bella, Esme, and the 2nd version of Victoria. mmmmmmm MMMMM! Deliciousness, I tell you.

The running joke here was me being a Harry Potter fanboy. You've taken it to a whole new level, my friend. Blinded by Sparkly ass gay Twitwinks.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The running joke here was me being a Harry Potter fanboy. You've taken it to a whole new level, my friend. Blinded by Sparkly ass gay Twitwinks.

Not even close. I haven't made tons of threads and determined the outcome before even making those threads yet. I also gave up after a dozen posts about it. I was also right, unlike everyone else that is blinded by their anti-twivamp rage.

Four reasons why I can't even hold a candle to you yet, RJ.

lol this is still going on...

Originally posted by dadudemon
No they don't. The Jedi don't get to use sabers or TK on a target that they can't hit.

Edit, well it looks like I'm the only one in this whole forum who will ever view the Twivamps objectively so I concede.

The Jedi rape the Twivamps, horrendously, because their saber will ignite their "fluids" as soon as it pierces their skin. (Which is an argument I used before someone brought up some good points.)

Are you pulling off the classic trick of feigning conceding to avoid actually conceding? I've seen that trick many times before.

Jedi can deflect blaster bolts, whichove far faster than Twilight vampires. In order for your idea to work the vampires will have to win before the Jedi can react, which is absurd.

Oh, and "objectionally"? No offense, bit you claed that vampires could shrug off Firce attacks and that one could solo the 501st, which is absurd. 10,000 elite clone troopers with equipment thousands of years ahead of Twilight and with armor, air and even space support vs one vampire?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Are you pulling off the classic trick of feigning conceding to avoid actually conceding? I've seen that trick many times before.

OMG! Liek, you're so sie kick! How did you GUESS that? You have powers beyond my imagination, despite my post telling you exactly what you just SAID! ZOMG! 😆

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Jedi can deflect blaster bolts, whichove far faster than Twilight vampires. In order for your idea to work the vampires will have to win before the Jedi can react, which is absurd.

Wrong. A twivamp can run faster than 500Mph by a significant margin. On screen feats have a vampire, that's not even as fast as Edward, gett lured in the wrong direction, turning back to the city he came from, and then running all the way from Washington State to Phoenix FASTER than a commercial airliner. Not only did he beat the plane, he had enough time to review home movies for a while.

I pointed that out already, but it was ignored, because everyone wants the twivamps to lose no matter what.

I understand that. So what's the point of any versus thread that isn't outright spite? There is none.

No one will argue in favor of the Twivamps cause everyone wants them to lose. I'm joining the club because it makes the stupid threads die faster. 🙂

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and "objectionally"? No offense, bit you claed that vampires could shrug off Firce attacks and that one could solo the 501st, which is absurd. 10,000 elite clone troopers with equipment thousands of years ahead of Twilight and with armor, air and even space support vs one vampire?

No, objectively, but I think I know what you were saying.

And yeah, all of what I said was actually objective and true, inside of fiction.

But I'm not arguing that anymore, TWIVAMPS SOOOO LOSE!