Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Hinata's more flexible and agile.
Yes, clearly Sakura only smashed one puppet.Yes, because the manga is clearly the same in anime feats when it comes to Sakura's smashing those puppets like she did.
Actually if memory is correct, she smashed more than this. But I digress.In the anime only, because Hinata can do the same and basically see the attacks coming with her byakugan.
Yes Sakura and Chiyo decided to work together in the beginning because neither was beating Sasori by themselves. However you seem to be forgetting this page and the next page where Tsunade, again, emphasizes the importance that a medical ninja never get hit.It doesn't change the fact, Sakura dodging skills are inferior to Hinata's all seeing white eye and taijutsu prowess which gives the advantages Sakura couldn't. Like instant chakra canceling via tap and clear 360 analytical attack reading and chakra needing.
Also, I'm sort of laughing at how it sounded like you thought Hinata was as fast as Sasuke. Or that you made a comparison between the two of them. The only thing they have in common is hailing from a respected clan, both being somewhat quiet to various degrees, and the constant urge to get in Naruto's pants.I mean't to say, Sakura's dodging abilites aren't perfect. Compared to Hinata's Sakura's are average, her doding skills are not infallable and Sakura times her doding more so than often, Hinata on the other hand needs is to activate Byukugan and she can dodge attacks by reading the movements of her opponents taijutsu with her byukugan range.
Also, you've yet to convince me that she is faster than Sakura. Actually you've not really argued for it, so much as state it as a fact that is clearly obvious.Actually I back up alot of reasons why Sakura's speed doesn't matter against Hinata. You chose to ignore the rebuttals I made. If Hinata used a combination of Jyuuken with Juho Soshiken then Sakura will be killed or in a state in which he's basically half-dead.
There is no possible way for Sakura to block that attack, considering that Deva's attraction was one of the only possible ways, as it disabled it in a long-range. If Sakura touches Hinata, it's over. The attack is very powerful and would be a crucial decider.
Sakura won't be able to attack Hinata, considering that it Juho Soshiken spins Hinata which prevents her from being attacked in Taijutsu and possibly even any Ninjutsu strikes.You've also not given me a reason that Sakura can't dodge her attacks(even though Sakura's intelligence about the Hyuuga and training instinct to dodge attacks would certainly indicate that would be the thing she'd prioritize.)
Yes, clearly Sasori was never even regarding Sakura during the fight. Also, when the Chimera actually does something that I really care about, then I might care that Hinata and her infinitely more skilled cousin took down. Also, I'll try to make it very clear.He was mocking her inhuman abilites and her ability to make Chiyo look good in front of him. Sasori never acknowledge her in her skills accept her fascination in trying to find out where Orochimaru is.
Sakura is faster. She is smarter. She knows everything about the Hyuuga's fighting style by asking about it in part 1.If she knows so much, why didn't she see Hinata fight then? And no, her little jyuuken pats in part 1 weren't a full gauge of her abilites, Sakura doesn't know what Hinata has as a Byukugan user, Sakura may have seen Hinata's latent abilites by Neji's prowess but her and Neji use the Gentle Fist differently, she probably doesn't know Hinata's a defensive fighter, has Juho Sosiken or Protection of the 8 trigrams.
Why do you believe that Hinata, who really has showed no improvement since part 1, will have such an easy time of defeating an opponent who holds all the cards?All that Hinata needs to do is to stay away from the fist, thats all Sakura has as a means of attack, Sakura's taijutsu sucks and is easily dwarfed when she's up against a byukugan user. And then there is the ability to manipulate the opponent's chakra network. A single jab at each of Sakura's arms and she has her super strength no longer. Her intellegence doesn't apply, Sakura has shown no battle tatics that give her taijutsu know how and especially on Hinata's unknown CQC style, just the abilty to cordinate strikes and dodge. As you can see, Hinata isn't Sasori and is a walking strategy plan, Hinata is purely a H2H combatant with expertise in taijutsu, Sakura knows Hinata is a Hyuuga with Byukugan training but she can't do anything Hinata won't foresee, her insight and probability knowledge equals Sakura's even if that won't mattter, intellegence won't matter because it never has against taijtusu fights and Hinata has the tools to take down Sakura and Sakura won't have the power to stop because her taijutsu is weak and Hinata's taijutsu cancels Sakura's speed and strength which are all chakra based attacks.
Edit: Can't believe I almost forgot to address. You said Hinata getting slapped to the ground was the turning point in that arc(actually it wouldn't probably have been Minato's timely appearance but whatever) and I stated that Sakura doesn't beat Sasori, the next arc doesn't happen. You really didn't disprove me. Sakura lasted as long as she did, in part because of Chiyo, but also by her own determination to be able to help Naruto bring back Sasuke. So actually its far and away more impressive than Hinata being smacked to the ground. Even if the anime filler was nice and allowed the fans to believe she could really touch Pain. And obviously Sasori was impressed because he did something pointless.Since were talking about Anime, Neji and Hinata were able to put someone unconscious by touching their forehead with Jyuuken. What happens when Hinata used Jyuuken to increase the chakra flow to Sakura's brain or even heart? If it's the heart she'll have cardiac damage thus leading to a heart attack, depending where Hinata aims and how much chakra she withdraws. Sakura lasted long because CHiyo was holding her hand the duration of the fight and Sasori was arogant enough to not pull his best jutsu since the begining and toyed with them the entire fight up until that point, it wasn't Sakura did this or Sakura did that. It was made to make Sakura do something useful even though Sasori was PISed into making fun of her and underestimating her.
Due to the fact a Medical Ninja is not meant to be evasive of an opponents attack due to the importance of such a person within a Team due to their healing capibilities.
However, Hinata is an entirely different opponent. Within the battle against Sakura, Chiyo kept her alive for such a long period that she was able to eventually see her opponents movements. Shino displayed something similar in Part I, as it's not remarkable.
Sakura would have been killed by Sasori's Hiruko if Chiyo hadn't controlled her. As seen:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/266/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/266/05/
Plus, Sakura had been given preparation time with the Antidotes and was given much information about Sasori from Chiyo. Either way, Sasori was far more powerful than either Sakura and Chiyo. Why do you think Orochimaru had Kabuto accompany him whilst making an attempt to kill Sasori?
Sakura is outmatched, considering Hinata has Jyuuken, defence, ability to see chakra and release chakra, can sense all of Sakura's movements etc. She can not use her medical jutsu if all her chakra points are disabled, which is most likely. Sakura maybe smart but not on the level of Kidomaru or Itachi or even Tsunade. And he did it by attacking from long range in a process of trial and error. All she could do is attack close range and then hinata would have a field day with her.
She was able to dodge most of Neji's attacks, which were quicker and faster than Sakura's. Hinata reflexes are greater than Sakura's, considering if Sakura didn't have Chiyo she would have been killed by Sasori.
She dodged a faster ninja than one of Sasori's 100 puppets and the flexbilty of a rubber man.
She hit pain in the face and basically speed blitz him for a while so she could realease a rod from Naruto arms.
Actually, what tenten says mean " The byakugan can allows the user to SEE every attack from every angle" means byakugan helps the user to prevent ambush from enemy and prevent being hit by attack came from the back.
IMO, I think that Hinata would have done alot better, with the aid of the Byakugan. The ability to sense and see all movements within a radius of 50 metres, whilst being able to disable any chakra based substances with Jyuuken whilst being controlled by Chiyo. Especially Hakke Rokujuuyonshou against Sasori's Satetsu Shigure.
Hinata attempted to use Juuho Soushiken against Deva, however Deva would have obviously known of the Byakugan thus Hinata touching him with Jyuuken would have been extremely bad.
If it was not for Bansho Tenin then Deva would have possibly been taken out as you cannot fight with severe internal damage to your organs. Did you see how close Hinata was to Deva when she used Juuho Soushiken? That was extremely fast.
Kay I'm done.
Are.....are you using the manga to try and disprove Sakura smashing all those puppets? 😐
Cause...you know...This
I only ask because if you are, you kinda lose all my interest in continuing said debate.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well none of the other kunochi of the Konoha 12 would've been able to take it out either so its not that bad.Hinata could've at least scratched it though right.
Edit: Didn't read the kunochi part until I posted. I fail. But maybe Tenten could use a well placed explosive. But that's pushing it I know.
I'll point out Sakura has knock-out bombs and poison kunai now too.
Hinata might have a small edge in melee due to more taijutsu skill (somewhat countered by probably needing to hit more to win, and databook says Sakura's got the small speed edge. So it's not exactly a huge gap), but with additional threats I'd think the pink hair will win more than not.
Originally posted by Q99
I'll point out Sakura has knock-out bombs and poison kunai now too.Hinata might have a small edge in melee due to more taijutsu skill (somewhat countered by probably needing to hit more to win, and databook says Sakura's got the small speed edge. So it's not exactly a huge gap), but with additional threats I'd think the pink hair will win more than not.
Sakura hasn't used them in the anime yet. So those weapons aren't counted. Yeah, its stupid.
Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, that does make it closer.Hm, between Hinata having her super version of the rotation move and Sakura only having her taijutsu I think I'll support Hinata.
Well since you don't seem to be a huge fanboy, you might give the Sakura supporters an argument.
Sakura does have the speed and strength advantage, couple that with it being trained into her to dodge. Hinata does have superior taijutsu, but since gentle fist is superior to iron fist, that is expected. She has long range moves in the form of her laser move(don't feel like typing out the name) but the best feat they have is cutting through bugs, which isn't that impressive. She can make said laser move into a defense wall, and while it seems to take more time than Neji's move, it is nonetheless quite effective. All around I give the fight to Sakura because she is shown to be smart(as smart as Kidomaru according to the databook and he nearly killed Neji) and, more importantly, she is more confident in her abilities and more ruthless of a person. Hinata, determined sure, is still somewhat of a shy girl and is still rather uncertain of her skills.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is him being distracted and letting her hit him. I guess Hinata has to hope Sakura gets sick and starts coughing up blood. then she actually has a shot at hitting her. 😐
So now you're claiming Sakura is equal to Deva Pain?
You're really clutching at straws here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. How the effing hell did you get that impression you flaming wally.
Because you were criticising Hinata for hitting Deva Pain in a moment of distraction.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't know what this is, but I see you can't think of a single reply.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. How the effing hell did you get that impression you flaming wally.
You posted a scan of Shippudan Sakura beating a summon. That's something Hinata could do pre-Shippudan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove and quantify that statement.
Ever heard of common sense?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I also have no concept of sarcasm apparantly
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.