Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by biensalsa
He is more Pyro than Human torch, he does not create PC

So all these feats where Silver Surfer shoots a blast of Power Cosmic from his hands or his body is actually him lucking upon a spark of Power Cosmic in the cosmos, or on Earth, or in Hell, and then manipulating it into a blast?

Is that it? Is that how you think Surfer's power operates?

That's the argument that you're carefully and deliberately campaigning for, for several months, to throw doubt on Surfer's combat capabilities so that Superman is seen as having a great edge that nobody else has seen until now? Until the revelation that you've bestowed upon us all?

And do you really think you're fooling anybody with this act, you sock? Really?

I am disappoint. You're smarter than this. And you have far better arguments you could make. Which makes me doubly disappoint.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pyro needs to have flame manifest in front of him, so that he can manipulate it. Pyro himself cannot make flame without a mechanical device. At all. So if Silver Surfer is more like Pyro, he needs to have Power Cosmic manifest in front of him, and then Silver Surfer can manipulate it?

So all these feats where Silver Surfer shoots a blast of Power Cosmic from his hands or his body is actually him lucking upon a spark of Power Cosmic in the cosmos, or on Earth, or in Hell, and then manipulating it into a blast?

Is that it? Is that how you think Surfer's power operates?

That's the argument that you're carefully and deliberately campaigning for, for several months, to throw doubt on Surfer's combat capabilities so that Superman is seen as having a great edge that nobody else has seen until now? Until the revelation that you've bestowed upon us all?

And do you really think you're fooling anybody with this act, you sock? Really?

I am disappoint. You're smarter than this. And you have far better arguments you could make. Which makes me doubly disappoint.

There is nothing that indicates that the power comes from with in him.

There is a lot of things that indicate that HE NEEDS ambient energy in order to create COSMIC POWER.

The power does not comes from inside him, he gets the power from Galactus, Galactus is PROBABLY the source of the PC in the Marvel Universe

And Silver Surfer is not good in combat, MOST people know that. AT BEST HE IS AN AVERAGE FIGHTER

I'm not trying to change your mind or anyones for that matter, I'm just trying to prove my point, you are free to think whatever you want.

What is you sock? is that a hidden insult?

Yes I can make better argument on Superman vs SS, but I'm jut trying to proove my point like I said. Sorry if you don't like it or disagree with it

Originally posted by darthgoober
His silver coating is actually solidfied cosmic energy, what do you think's going to happen to it when the Surfer has less energy avalible than normal?

He was braging all the time that He can survive inside a star even as "Depowered"

Originally posted by biensalsa
He was braging all the time that He can survive inside a star even as "Depowered"

Originally posted by biensalsa
There is nothing that indicates that the power comes from with in him.

There is a lot of things that indicate that HE NEEDS ambient energy in order to create COSMIC POWER.

The power does not comes from inside him, he gets the power from Galactus, Galactus is PROBABLY the source of the PC in the Marvel Universe

He needs ambient energy to nourish himself. What does that have to do with the Power Cosmic being within him or not? Ambient energy =/= Power Cosmic.

He was bestowed the Power Cosmic by Galactus. And Galactus is not the sole source of the Power Cosmic in the universe such that Surfer has to steal it from him to shoot an energy blast. And Galactus needs to feed on planets in order to nourish himself also. Are you going to use your idiotic rationalizations and argue that Galactus' power doesn't come from within because he has to feed?

Originally posted by biensalsa
And Silver Surfer is not good in combat, MOST people know that. AT BEST HE IS AN AVERAGE FIGHTER

I'm not trying to change your mind or anyones for that matter, I'm just trying to prove my point, you are free to think whatever you want.

What is you sock? is that a hidden insult?

Yes I can make better argument on Superman vs SS, but I'm jut trying to proove my point like I said. Sorry if you don't like it or disagree with it

You're free to sh1t your own pants too. Doesn't make it any less retarded. Surfer's powers don't work like Pyro's. They work like Human Torch's. And any idiot that's even read 20 Surfer comics knows this. You've read far more. Which is why this crusade of misinformation is probably the second most spectacular display of butt-hurt I've ever witnessed here on KMC.

It's not a hidden insult, sock.

I don't like you taking scans out of context. I don't like you using double-standards to support taking them out of context. This isn't arguing. This is a smear campaign birthed in butt-hurt and based on misinformation. Months dedicated to the sole notion of Superman's heat vision depowering Surfer. MONTHS. Get that sh1t out of here. Use that prodigious motivation of your's on somethign constructive.

Originally posted by 753
753 SAID
Yes if you can isolate the Surfer from ambient energy, he wouldnt be able to control or absrob it, but when has an ion field been used to acomplish that? I dont think it's ever happened. People have depowered him in the past by cutting him off from the comic power within himself, but again they've never done it with an ionizing field. There's no reason to assume it would affect him that way.
Last edited by 753 on Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:20 PM

Hmmm... He does not seem isolated from ambient energy here

or here

or here

here

here, could he absorbed the damper field?

Originally posted by 753
There are reasons to think IONIZATION will work

IONZATION TO DEPOWER

IONIZATON TO POWER

Originally posted by 753
753 SAID

The fact that Doom managed to drain it from the surfer, instead of creating an antenna to tap into this mysterious external force in the universe that's just out there for the taking but has never been see anywhere called the PC, shows it was within him.
Last edited by 753 on Aug 12th, 2010 at 03:16 PM

I beg to differ. Here Doom CREATE Power Cosmic artificially with in his lab and I said artificially as in not produced in nature, like lightning that can be created artificially or naturally, they seem to have the same properties, but Dooms was unestable because he does not has the knowledge of Galactus to Imbued a person with PC. Seems PC is more a natural process in MU or it comes from the natural force know as GALACTUS. But DOOM indeed called it a tiny fraction POWER COSMIC

Originally posted by 753
753 said

Even though the SS can be kept from accessing his own PC (much like mutants can be kept from accessing their own powers with certain technologies from earth), those kinds of interferences are internal, they're not blocking him from reaching an outside source of PC, they're screweing the functioning of his organism or will. So HV and its mighty ions are a big nono here.

MUTANTS CAN BE KEPT FROM ACCESING THEIR POWERS BECAUSE THEY ARE BIOLOGICAL IN NATURE, HOW CAN SOMEONE WILL PROHIBIT YOU TO ACCESS YOUR AURA? UNLESS IS MEPHISTO. This is why this explination is a HUGE CONTRADICTION. NOW for the sake of the argument I will actually say that yes there is some kind of RESIDUE that stays in, BUT IS USELESS, IF IT IS NOT JUMP STARTED.

Originally posted by 753
753 SAID

Yes, SS's been to dimensions full of nothing and functioned just fine. Salsa found one scan in his savenger hunt of vengeance where he is compared to a fawcet and the PC is said to be external, but this is the odd portrayal standing out. All the others are consistant with the annilihation explanation, specially the ones where portions of the actual PC, not just his energy reserves are said to be drained from inside him by others.

This scan is the odd one standing out, not the other way arround.

Originally posted by 753
SS can be depowered if he is cut off from ambient energy and exhausts his reserves. He can also be depowered if the PC (the power that lets him absorb adn control energy) is sucked out of him partially or completelly - as several have done noting the power is within him - or if he is kept from consciently using it by tech that screws with his organism's functioning. If it was simply a matter of draining the PC which you seem to think is just spread out over the cosmos just like the common energies SS feeds on, Doom wouldn't have drained the SS himself, just built an antenna to harvest it.

He can create it artificially

Originally posted by 753
Besides, we've seen him use his powers when cut off from any energy source arround, like the fight with red shift and others

I can show a lot more where He is arround energy sources

Originally posted by 753
753 SAID

I think the problem is that he keeps conflating ambient cosmic energy - SS's food - with the Power Cosmic.

Comparing it to SM, his powerset was once explained as a biolectrical aura that absorbs radiation from the sun, processes it and gives him his powers: a force field enveloping his cells, hv, etc.

Think of the PC within SS as the aura or the power that creates it and of the energies he absorbs and controls as yellow sunlight. That's it. The PC isn't an external powersource, the energy he needs to fuels his powers and live are.

The bioelectrical aura disapears under red sun. SS powers come from an outside source, he travels with some stored in his system and if needed He can tap into ambient energy to convert into PC, then after the PC is not needed anymore to keep fighting it stores again like a battery, You use the battery, it drains, you reacharge it again, the battery DOES NOT RECHARGE by itself

Originally posted by 753
Still, no matter how you look at it, HV won't depower him.

I beg to differ, incredible ammount of HEAT will create DISRUPTION on a PC IMBUED CHARACTER

It will take more than what the human torch can deliver in a regular state

Seems this is enough to take some PC imbued character out, depending on the ammount of PC

LOW PC GETS HURT WITH HEAT

What about HIGH PC? GETTING THERE

Just a little bit more, just right there.

There is a lot of characters WHO CAN DELIVER MORE HEAT THAN FIRESTAR

Originally posted by 753
Point remains that out of all the possible ways SS could be functionally depowered, HV could only conceivably acomplish one: cut him off and let him eventually starve.

Seems to me that HV will do more than only IONIZE his molecules, besides the fact that enough heat can hurt a PC wielder, there is also the fact that HIGH Power lasers seem to affect the Surfer a lot, this has been shown on several ocasions. There is a character who can IONIZE molecules, deliver more heat than Firestar and also has high power lasers comming out of his eyes.

Originally posted by 753
Now, I don't think an ion field could cut him off from ambient energy and mass, as there's nothing to indicate this in his history, but if it could: he can simply convert matter to energy at will and absorb it (that's how he 'eats'😉 so he can do this to the ions; he can just transmute the ions; if HV is used on his body he can just tank, redirect or absorb it and he has subatomic control of his own body to stopping the ionization.

I beg to differ. I have seen that IONS DEPOWERING PC WIELDERS AND POWER THEM BACK, SO IONS have something to do with a PC wielder. If IONS did not have anything to do with the PC then it will not be used to depower Galactus or Terrax could just have used ANY other source of energy to put himself back together, but He needed the IONS to reactivate his PC so He can feed out of the electromagnetical resonator that gather him as in ambient energy, He was IONIZED first.

Originally posted by 753
His power reserves are vast and we've already seen him handling ion wonderman and tank hotter than star plasma just fine.

There are charaters who produce more heat than a star. And yes He handled Wondermans IONS, but if you read carefully it say MODULATE THE IONIC ENERGY THAT POWERS YOU, You know how many types of IONS exist? The pure living ionic energy of Wonderman is not the same as heat disruptive ions. And his power reserves are not vast, they are OK.

^ Reported for the repeated over-sized scan spam.

Your posting habits effectuate the impression of a retarded child screaming and sh1tting himself over and over again despite his mother explaining that she can turn his ice cream into a turkey.

But I'm sure that's just to throw people off from the scent. You're committed, I'll give you that.

Originally posted by Ambient
AMBIENT SAID
Your method is not going to work as Surfer's power is immune to IONIZATION ..

Originally posted by Ambient
AMBIENT SAID

Yes removal of the entirety of pc mean certain death.

Originally posted by Ambient
Galactus is Galactus - nuff said

GALACTUS IS THE SOURCE OR SOMETHING ELSE IS THE SOURCE!!!

Originally posted by Ambient
And Doom tech only affected the energies within the biology - body - not the source - life force that feeds the biology - so what was absorb is basically cosmic energy within the Surfer body.. - Ref. Annihilation scan -

Originally posted by Ambient
Similar with Dynamo city..

Originally posted by Ambient
Doom tech. = Awesomeness..

Originally posted by Ambient
Doom tech does not fully rid Surfer of PC..

Agree just leaves a TINY USELESS part

Originally posted by Ambient
Originally posted by biensalsa
The scan that Ambient shown it contradicts a lot of facts and showings of the SS and it could even fall into the category of IGNORANCE on part of the writer. But I will leave that as a discussion for later.

Originally posted by Ambient
Explain the contradiction.. Cause im not really seing it..

Hummm... Here Dr. Frankenstein is DUPLICATING SS SOUL! not only the power, HE MADE A COPY OF THE SILVER SURFER

Here
Terrax is alive after bieng striped of the PC

Here GALACTUS AND JOHNY STORM ARE ALIVE AND WELL

Aunt May

Originally posted by Ambient
AMBIENT SAID:

It stated right in that scan.. without pc he would not survive in the vacuum of space (emplode like the rest of the doomboots men).. That shows the durability of Surfers outershell (cosmiciglaze..lol) is dependent of the pc and Surfer pc > board pc..

Well you said the same thing about no cosmic power = death and I guess you were wrong

Originally posted by Ambient
here ill post it again..

http://img651.imageshack.us/f/annihilation3011.jpg/

ambient energies is stored within his (Surfer) aura/soul then is converted into pc,

Originally posted by Ambient
this aura then continuously feeds his body for function.. Now the body is still susceptible to outside source of manipulation as you pointed out in all those scan. like say; energy absorption (not absorbing his soul but rather the energies within his body that his Aura/soul supply from the absorbed pc and since it cont. supply this energies, he can be fully drained. It also is apparent that this energies if transfered can reanimate or enhance a being with similar abilities as him as you kindly showed us in your scan..) So if one can manipulate both then he can be depowered this way..

So that part of the PC is the one that cannot be removed, except for Galactus?

Originally posted by Ambient
let say we gave you the benefit of the doubt and ionazation works, all this does is prevent him from absorbing energies but he would still retain the energies he had previously absorbed. Moving out of the way from this attack or countering it with http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...mic/surfer3.jpg this would null Ionazation then he can proceed to do a similar attack +++ absorb Supes energies for a true ionazation KO..

IONIZATON TO POWER

Seems to me IONIZATION has something to do with the PC.
I hope I did not make your head explode

Originally posted by Ambient
AMBIENT SAID

The device sucessfull drained surfer of all his stored pc +++ PIS was written all over that issue, don't even get me started on that armbar..
Similar with Rulk dough it is from a Surfer whose just become a herald w/ no previous knowledge of the use of PC..

PIS

PIS

PIS

PIS

PIS

PIS

PIS

PIS

It seems to me that according to your logic any instance in whic SS gets depowered is PIS

Originally posted by Ambient
And in regards Reed Richards machine, well i quess he found a loop hole and is able to separate pc and life force but it does not necessarily mean anyone could accomplish similar feats..

Really?

IONZATION TO DEPOWER

IONIZATON TO POWER

^ Stop spamming the same out-of-context over-sized scans over and over again. Seriously. Stop it.