Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by Ambient
lol's.. Your basing this on one single scan that the char. word is not even fully sure off. "Possesses, I think not " ronan's own words, which in its own right can be called out into question the reliability of that statement..

Here! Check this scans (not just one but few) and it states that the heralds is imbued and possesses the power cosmic.. Heck even Galactus himself made similar statement..

http://img235.imageshack.us/f/redshiftoz0.jpg/
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Well you could say his possession of it was overiden.

I guess you need to clarify the meaning of IMBUED.
They are IMBUED they posses nothing,

Now IF according to your scan Terrax possesses the PC why is he here laying down on the hospital with out powers?

Why does He needs DOOM to restore his powers?

why does it needs an outside source to power him up again?

I guess this is why Reed is trying this

I mean If He has the PC he can easily gather the ambient energy arround and have his PC again, RIGHT?

What about MORG? He has no PC here. If he has the PC then he can gather ambient energy and do whatever He wants, RIGHT?

Hmmm. It seems to me that GALACTUS IMBUED HIS HERALDS WITH PC, menaing the PC is Galactuses,not his heralds, that is why he is able to give and take it away so easily.

It seems to me that is more likelly that they do not POSSES it.

Originally posted by Ambient
I think the problem lies in the way you emplied his depowerement and that is by used of ionic energies to which you pretty much strongly fended w/ out much proof.. We even presented proof how ionic energies would not work by way of this scan.. http://img234.imageshack.us/i/1cu9.jpg/ Surfer energy manipulation working on a ionic field yet persisted you did..

He handled Wondermans IONS, but if you read carefully it say MODULATE THE IONIC ENERGY THAT POWERS YOU, You know how many types of IONS exist? The pure living ionic energy of Wonderman is not the same as heat disruptive ions.

IONZATION TO DEPOWER

IONIZATON TO POWER

Originally posted by Ambient
PC is the power, the ambient energies he absorbs is what fuel this power.

Originally posted by biensalsa
He handled Wondermans IONS, but if you read carefully it say MODULATE THE IONIC ENERGY THAT POWERS YOU, You know how many types of IONS exist? The pure living ionic energy of Wonderman is not the same as heat disruptive ions.

So ambient energy is the fuel, then they convert the ambient energy into PC? Ok got it, still IONIZATION and depowerment Seems pretty feasable ACCORDING TO CANON, BECAUSE THEY ARE IMBUED WITH A TINY FRACTION OF GALACTUS PC.

Lets take a look at those scans u provided:

1st you do notice that there were more than just ionic energy in the mixed to make that machine, mutagenic resonator comes in mind. 2nd they couldn't even permanently stripped G of his powers because it would return to him, this is why they had to bfr it to the negative zone ( it seems that this machine could also open up a portal to the N zone ).. To think that heat induced ions in itself could simulate a similar result as Richards tech is preposterous.

Tyrant scans, he was being hit by Reed invention that blocks him from absorbing ambient energies +++ he was very much drain to start with and depowered.. The Aelic unit the one with ionic energy actually brought him back and set him free, the one that reed was using was a diff tech and by no means suggested it was of ionic base..

With the Dooms scans, it pretty much suggest that there was a partial left of Surfer PC and from there it was culminated.. Anyhow it is irrelevant as this is Dooms version of impowering Tyros into this heralds not G creation, the process far differ and what is being debated is the process in which G creates his heralds not Dooms.

The other scans more into Galactus stripping his creations of PC, it is within his powers to do so and some of Surfers energies being absorbed.. Pretty much no bearing to Supes supposed ionize hv depowerement ..

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To sum it all up, you pretty much have no proof that the ionic energies being used for those machine are of heat induce not to mention that there where more than just ions that constituted to the effect of those machines. More than likely your idea of ionize hv cutting Surfer of PC is not plausible. You are just wrong on that one there man..

Originally posted by biensalsa
I guess you need to clarify the meaning of IMBUED.
They are IMBUED they posses nothing,

Now IF according to your scan Terrax possesses the PC why is he here laying down on the hospital with out powers?

What about MORG? He has no PC here. If he has the PC then he can gather ambient energy and do whatever He wants, RIGHT?

Hmmm. It seems to me that GALACTUS IMBUED HIS HERALDS WITH PC, menaing the PC is Galactuses,not his heralds, that is why he is able to give and take it away so easily.

It seems to me that is more likelly that they do not POSSES it.

Because those powers where taken from him by Galactus himself therefore he no longer possesses it - PC - ...

Again those powers where taken from him by Galactus therefore he no longer possesses those powers - PC - ...

Yes Galactus imbued his heralds with PC from him, meaning once imbued it becomes there's, they possess it - PC - ...

It seems more than likely that once they ( herald ) received the PC, it is there's to command, they possess it but if it is removed from them they no longer possess it - PC - .... lol

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@ Biensalsa..

Yeah! Used thumbnail, those image thumb pretty much hurt the eye.. Prove quit diff. to respond a post, mods should ban their used.

I wouldn't be surprise if HV ionization would have a similar effect akin to the Aileac machine powering up Terrax, to Surfer rather than depowering him up, after all Surfer have absorb heat before to rejuvenate.. just a thought...

Originally posted by Ambient
1.) What makes you think that heat disruptive Ions would do the trick specially when the chars. in question where specifically made to withstand heat hotter than the sun itself?

Originally posted by Ambient
2.) Looking @ the scans you provided, what makes u think that property of the ions used where heat induced like says Supes ionized hv?

Same as before

Originally posted by Ambient
Lets take a look at those scans u provided:

1st you do notice that there were more than just ionic energy in the mixed to make that machine, mutagenic resonator comes in mind. 2nd they couldn't even permanently stripped G of his powers because it would return to him, this is why they had to bfr it to the negative zone ( it seems that this machine could also open up a portal to the N zone ).. To think that heat induced ions in itself could simulate a similar result as Richards tech is preposterous.

You know how ions work? You change the charge and transfrom + to - if you make all the particles - then you disrupt the feeding. Of course with Glalactus You have to use something extra because He is Galactus and I am aware the power will return to him eventually. But now yo can see that the Idea it has been used in comics.

Originally posted by Ambient
Tyrant scans, he was being hit by Reed invention that blocks him from absorbing ambient energies +++ he was very much drain to start with and depowered.. The Aelic unit the one with ionic energy actually brought him back and set him free, the one that reed was using was a diff tech and by no means suggested it was of ionic base..

Hmmm... It was TERRAX not Tyrant :? and No he was not drain to start neither depowered he actually said He was not weakened, so stop making excuses. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAS USED DAMPERS to defeat PC wielders, You want me to show you those scans too? and I never said Reed was using a IONIZER. The AELIC IONIZE him that is why he was able to recover his powers, otherwise He would have been able to reform by himself WITHOUT the help of the AELIC. According to your theory He will have been able to gather Ambient Energy WITH OUT THE AELIC.

Originally posted by Ambient
With the Dooms scans, it pretty much suggest that there was a partial left of Surfer PC and from there it was culminated.. Anyhow it is irrelevant as this is Dooms version of impowering Tyros into this heralds not G creation, the process far differ and what is being debated is the process in which G creates his heralds not Dooms.

You can paly it as much as you want pal, Doom's heralds are inestable, but they have PC, non the less

Originally posted by Ambient
The other scans more into Galactus stripping his creations of PC, it is within his powers to do so and some of Surfers energies being absorbed.. Pretty much no bearing to Supes supposed ionize hv depowerement ..

Yes, because is Galactus power, not his heralds!

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Originally posted by Ambient
To sum it all up, you pretty much have no proof that the ionic energies being used for those machine are of heat induce not to mention that there where more than just ions that constituted to the effect of those machines. More than likely your idea of ionize hv cutting Surfer of PC is not plausible. You are just wrong on that one there man..

ALL THE SCANS WITH ION MACHINES + THIS. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by kgkg
This thread just got raped... Please use thumbnails. Thank you

If I use Thumbnails then they claim they cannot see the scans. Sorry 🙁

I have no idea what's being argued, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's retarded.

Originally posted by Ambient
Imbued - infuse.. once it is infuse to them it is there's they possess it..
and in case it is not enough for you it said so in the scan provided that they possess it - PC - ...

Because those powers where taken from him by Galactus himself therefore he no longer possesses it - PC - ...

Again those powers where taken from him by Galactus therefore he no longer possesses those powers - PC - ...

Yes Galactus imbued his heralds with PC from him, meaning once imbued it becomes there's, they possess it - PC - ...

It seems more than likely that once they ( herald ) received the PC, it is there's to command, they possess it but if it is removed from them they no longer possess it - PC - .... lol

Meaning of IMBUED:

1. To inspire or influence thoroughly; pervade: work imbued with the revolutionary spirit. See Synonyms at charge.
2. To permeate or saturate.
3. To stain or dye deeply.

Meaning of Permeate

1.To spread or flow throughout; pervade: "Our thinking is permeated by our historical myths" (Freeman J. Dyson). See synonyms at charge.
2.To pass through the openings or interstices of: liquid permeating a membrane.

Seems to me that power FLOWS as in a faucet IS MORE LIKELLY 😆

Originally posted by biensalsa

and the power cosmic was imbued in the heralds as galactus made their dna such that it generates and runs off of it. it is part of their very being

Originally posted by darthgoober
And?

His invulnerability was not affected at all

He was KO'ed again by that "meteorite" in DEVOURER.

Something moving at that speed that hits him is more than enough to KO him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you can't even spin information properly facepalm

and the power cosmic was imbued in the heralds as galactus made their dna such that it generates and runs off of it. it is part of their very being

Well it does not shows does it?

I have even said, I believe there is some sort of SMALL USELESS PC INSIDE after they are drained. I'm even given the benefit of the doubt

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Other than all the times he calls upon the deep weels of power from within. Or people drain the Power Cosmic directly from him and not the "ambient energy" surrounding him.

He needs ambient energy to nourish himself. What does that have to do with the Power Cosmic being within him or not? Ambient energy =/= Power Cosmic.

He was bestowed the Power Cosmic by Galactus. And Galactus is not the sole source of the Power Cosmic in the universe such that Surfer has to steal it from him to shoot an energy blast. And Galactus needs to feed on planets in order to nourish himself also. Are you going to use your idiotic rationalizations and argue that Galactus' power doesn't come from within because he has to feed? Being a great fighter has nothing to do with being combat-effective. Surfer is just that damn powerful and that damn combat-effective. And it's Surfer's possession of immense power that your farcical arguments are trying to undermine.

You're free to sh1t your own pants too. Doesn't make it any less retarded. Surfer's powers don't work like Pyro's. They work like Human Torch's. And any idiot that's even read 20 Surfer comics knows this. You've read far more. Which is why this crusade of misinformation is probably the second most spectacular display of butt-hurt I've ever witnessed here on KMC.

It's not a hidden insult, sock.

I don't like you taking scans out of context. I don't like you using double-standards to support taking them out of context. This isn't arguing. This is a smear campaign birthed in butt-hurt and based on misinformation. Months dedicated to the sole notion of Superman's heat vision depowering Surfer. MONTHS. Get that sh1t out of here. Use that prodigious motivation of your's on somethign constructive.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at your post. But I can care less whatever you think, specially TRYING to insult like an 8 year old

Originally posted by biensalsa
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at your post. But I can care less whatever you think, specially TRYING to insult like an 8 year old

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He's got some care in his heart for your posts, ODG. You heard him.

Aw CRAP!!! You got me good 😄

Originally posted by biensalsa
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at your post. But I can care less whatever you think, specially TRYING to insult like an 8 year old

you have nothing to support this argument, shut up about it

Originally posted by biensalsa
His invulnerability was not affected at all

He was KO'ed again by that "meteorite" in DEVOURER.

Something moving at that speed that hits him is more than enough to KO him.

Also that object would have destroyed the northern East Coast.... also you have to remember that protecting himself was not Surfer's concern when he was aiming at the ship.

Originally posted by kgkg
That was actually a really good feat for Surfer...and it wasn't just a meteorite it was a ship... He ramp that thing at full speed he had to calculate the trajectory and change it's course.... Apparently no one other than the Surfer could have survived that.

Also that object would have destroyed the northern East Coast.... also you have to remember that protecting himself was not Surfer's concern when he was aiming at the ship.

I did not say it was bad. I'm just comparing the two of them. BOTH KO HIM, one at full power the other one like Goober says at depowered level

Both got the same result in the end, one piece was bigger than the other

The first meteor in SS 14 was traveling at speed that rival SS speed and the debris KO him and He tanked that thing He destroyed the meteorite

The ship seems to be slightly bigger than the debris that KO him in the first one but it was not traveling at the same speed as the meteor, At FULL power he states that He cannot stop, he can deflect it to alter it's speed and place of impact.

BOTH have the same result at full power or a depower level like goober says.

The point here is to prove that his invulnerability was not affected by the removal of his time and space powers. HIS INVULNERABILITY seems to be at the same level in this feat either with full powers or with out time and space powers