Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Started by Bouboumaster31 pages
Originally posted by galactusischere
Morg with WOL is the best herald IMO.

He wasn't a "herald lvler" like Surfer, Thor and Sups are. Hell, he litteraly destroyed all the heralds of Galactus INCLUDING mother****in' Surfer. He's trans, at the very least.

As for "Why Sufer's pwning my favorite character!?", it's pretty simple: He's owning, let's say, Superman, for the same reason Superman would probably win against the Hulk: versatility.

Hulk is aguarbly one the most powerful herald lvler, and would probably destroy most of them with his fists. Still, he can't fly. What a huge disasvantage against a dude who can just bombard his shit off with heat vision from space.

But the same comparaison can be made between Sups and Surfer. Sups is f'kin strong, f'kin fast, intelligent, and willing. Surfer is all that, and MORE. What Sups can do, Surfer do it better: He has scan of speed demonstration that could pretty makes him the fastest charater. He has cosmic awarness, that gaves him universal knowledge, and can use it to detect weaknesses. He can teleport, both in time and space. He's a major matter manipulator, and a high class telepath: he already tp Earth to gives humans world peace for a moment. He can phase, he can multiply himself, heal, amp, absorb energies, etc, etc.
Basically, he's in my opinion the top dog of the heralds lvler because he puts to shame competitors with his ridiculous versatility.

And at the end of Annihilation, Galactus raised his power to new lvl. A classic Surfer would gives a run to his money to Thor (and win or lose, it depends), but current Surfer litteraly humiliated Beta Ray Bill, took Nova with WM best shot in the face without being to much phased, pwned Skaar (before being caught by surprise, damn you, Pak!), etc, etc.
For now, I think that Surfer, as for this specific "weight class" goes, is the top dog.

Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by lightyeargee
0.Henshaw with rings

Energy draining and/or transmutation.
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1.Black Bolt

Just open up a can of whoop ass...
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2.Martian Manhunter

See Black Bolt
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3.BRB

See Black Bolt
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4.Mongul with rings

Drain his rings, then whip his ass.
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5.Gladiator

Exploit his radiation vulnerability for a quick kill(one or two panels), or just use his ranged advantages for a standard win(one or two pages).
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6.Full power Orion

Fight smart. They're likely comparable in power, but Orion's a bit of a hot head.
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7.Thor

Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.
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8.Classic Infinity Man

From what I understand the two are pretty similar so this would likely just be a fight where they traded punches/blasts until one went down. Though Surfer has the potential for an easy win via Radion.
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9.Vand V Despero

Temporal BFR.
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10. Angel Supergirl

Encase her in solidified cosmic energy or trap her in his surfboard.
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11.Takion with High Father's staff

See Infinity Man.
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12.Blue Green Hal Jordan

Drain his rings for the quick win.

Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by darthgoober
Energy draining and/or transmutation.

Just open up a can of whoop ass...

See Black Bolt

See Black Bolt

Drain his rings, then whip his ass.

Exploit his radiation vulnerability for a quick kill(one or two panels), or just use his ranged advantages for a standard win(one or two pages).

Fight smart. They're likely comparable in power, but Orion's a bit of a hot head.

Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.

From what I understand the two are pretty similar so this would likely just be a fight where they traded punches/blasts until one went down. Though Surfer has the potential for an easy win via Radion.

Temporal BFR.

Encase her in solidified cosmic energy or trap her in his surfboard.

See Infinity Man.

Drain his rings for the quick win.


I'm sure you remember that nvr ignores all logic. Give up.

How does he matter manip a guy who could manipulate source wall? Plus all those rings and his krytonian powers. Surfer doesn't just drain beings dry. Or don't you remember star masters?a being with the capacity to drain back kept over riding his drain.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
How does he matter manip a guy who could manipulate source wall? Plus all those rings and his krytonian powers. Surfer doesn't just drain beings dry. Or don't you remember star masters?a being with the capacity to drain back kept over riding his drain.

Sourcewall feat's not nearly as impressive as you're making out to be. I don't remember why exactly but I remember Newjack addressing it before. And Surfer does drain beings dry, just ask the Hulk. As for the guy in Starmasters he got the jump on Surfer when he attacked him from behind and immediately started draining Norrin, he didn't "override" Surfer's drain. Surfer never even tried to drain the guy that I can remember and there was nothing to suggest the guy had any kind of vulnerability to draining anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sourcewall feat's not nearly as impressive as you're making out to be. I don't remember why exactly but I remember Newjack addressing it before. And Surfer does drain beings dry, just ask the Hulk. As for the guy in Starmasters he got the jump on Surfer when he attacked him from behind and immediately started draining Norrin, he didn't "override" Surfer's drain. Surfer never even tried to drain the guy that I can remember and there was nothing to suggest the guy had any kind of vulnerability to draining anyway.
So where is the vulnerability to draining henshaw when he can make his rings on the fly? Ten of them. Surfer maybe could drain one ring if the user wasn't adept enough to fight back or drain back. But ten? All while fighting a guy as strong as Superman and more durable? And yes The source wall was uber. Plus Henshaw Manipulates his body via a conciousness.So it's not like he can't jump into anything or manipulate anything into what he wants it to be. I don't think Surfer can matter manip him. Also, What is stopping Henshaw from trapping Surfer in his ring?

Originally posted by lightyeargee
So where is the vulnerability to draining henshaw when he can make his rings on the fly? Ten of them. Surfer maybe could drain one ring if the user wasn't adept enough to fight back or drain back. But ten? All while fighting a guy as strong as Superman and more durable? And yes The source wall was uber. Plus Henshaw Manipulates his body via a conciousness.So it's not like he can't jump into anything or manipulate anything into what he wants it to be. I don't think Surfer can matter manip him. Also, What is stopping Henshaw from trapping Surfer in his ring?

Where is his feats of resisting having the energy drained from his rings? And it's not like Surfer has to store the energy of all 10 rings and then just sit on it(though in GL/Surfer crossover he was able to absorb quite a bit of GL energy, all the power from the Central Battery if I'm remembering right), the best part about draining your opponent in the manner that Surfer does is that you then have energy other than your own avalible for use in the fight. Borgs own energies would amp Surfer's blasts and forcefields, amp his strength, and be avalible for him to heal himself with all while Borg was getting weaker from the drain. It's not nearly as uber as you're making it out to be. Put it this way, did Henshaw get trapped in the Source Wall and then immediately get away via transmutation/transference, or did he stay trapped long enough to constitute a win on the forum? I mean it's not as if the nature of his powers makes him completely immune to transmutation or DS wouldn't have been able to transmute him. As for Henshaw trapping Surfer in his ring, if Surfer can travel to any dimension he's ever been to pretty much at will and escape from something like the Soul World, I just don't see him getting trapped in a power ring.

And if the draining thing is too much for you to buy(as is often the case when people aren't familiar enough with Surfer)... well Norrin could just pull a temporal BFR for another easy win.

Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by darthgoober

Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.

Getting amped by Loki? Classic surfer was nothing to classic Thor really.

However, SS is the highest of heralds, and OP just have a massive boner for DC.

Re: Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by amnesia
Getting amped by Loki? Classic surfer was nothing to classic Thor really.

However, SS is the highest of heralds, and OP just have a massive boner for DC.


I meant the method in which he fought(kept his distance, seperated him from his hammer, etc.). I highly disagree with the next part unless by "classic" you're talking about the period when he was weakened from being trapped on Earth and the sonic shark, and even then their relative power levels varied a lot.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by darthgoober
I meant the method in which he fought(kept his distance, seperated him from his hammer, etc.). I highly disagree with the next part unless by "classic" you're talking about the period when he was weakened from being trapped on Earth and the sonic shark.

Stan intended Thor to be above surfer.

NOT PIS BECAUSE IT WAS A LEE/KIRBY COMIC

Originally posted by amnesia
Stan intended Thor to be above surfer.

NOT PIS BECAUSE IT WAS A LEE/KIRBY COMIC


Stan would also write Hulk beating Superman if he had the chance. He's a great creator of characters but his is hardly the final word on the matter. By the same token, Kirby intended Darkseid to be somewhere on par with Galactus, but we all know that's no longer the case.

I never said anything about PIS, Hell Surfer fought smart in that fight(which is why I referenced it).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Stan would also write Hulk beating Superman if he had the chance. He's a great creator of characters but his is hardly the final word on the matter. By the same token, Kirby intended Darkseid to be somewhere on par with Galactus, but we all know that's no longer the case.

I never said anything about PIS, Hell Surfer fought smart in that fight(which is why I referenced it).

If captain America beat up galactus and Lee wrote it, i would be OK with it.

Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by darthgoober
Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.

Let's hope Surfer get's a significant power up again and Thor actively chooses to restrain his godly strength. More strength than Surfer could know.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Let's hope Surfer get's a significant power up again and Thor actively chooses to restrain more strength than Surfer could ever know.

He doesn't need that significant of a power up, don't you remember the time he almost killed Thor with a warning blast(which was also from the period of Norrin's depowerment) 😈 .

Like I said, even back then the relative power between the two varied a lot.

Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.

Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by lightyeargee
since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan

1. Henshaw wins. I don't think I've seen Surfer drain emotional spectrum.

2. Surfer wins. No problem.
3. Surfer wins again.
4. Surfer wins again and has proven it.
5. Same with Mongul. Mongul will win.
6. Surfer beats Glads.
7. Fully powered Orion rips out Norrins heart. Too powerful.
8. IM wins. Too powerful.
9. Despero wins.
10. Angel Supergirl wins.
11. Takion wins.
12. Hal wins.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He doesn't need that significant of a power up, don't you remember the time he almost killed Thor with a warning blast(which was also from the period of Norrin's depowerment) 😈 .

Like I said, even back then the relative power between the two varied a lot.

Poor Surfer fans. Their so desperate for feats that their resorting to hyperbole that was contradicted in the same issue.

Surfer blasted Thor with the intention of taking him out after Thor was staggered by the Valkyrie. And the kicker is? Thor would have been drained more so than the other Avengers as he was at that specific area longer than the rest. It's no surprise then a loss in strength was first noted for Thor (At least I'm pretty sure it was.).

Norrin was still depowered during that time? I guess it makes him stalemating Iron Man seem a bit better.

Edit: So what else should we compare? Their records against Thanos? How about Odin? I'm sure Surfer trumps Thor in those. What about Galactus?

Originally posted by amnesia
Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.

Lol.

Thanks for the support.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Poor Surfer fans. Their so desperate for feats that their resorting to hyperbole that was contradicted in the same issue.

Surfer blasted Thor with the intention of taking him out after Thor was staggered by the Valkyrie. And the kicker is? Thor would have been drained more so than the other Avengers as he was at that specific area longer than the rest. It's no surprise then a loss in strength was first noted for Thor (At least I'm pretty sure it was.).

Norrin was still depowered during that area? Didn't know that. I guess it makes him stalemating Iron Man seem a bit better.


Wait so when Thor says that Surfer's blast nearly killed him it's automatically hyperbole, but when he says that a shot from Bor WOULD have killed him it automatically means that Bor's uber as Hell?

Like I said, their relative powers varied. I can't remember all the details of the issue in question so you might be right about Thor's depowerement(I'll look at that later), but even if he was Surfer was technically functioning at a fraction of his full power.

Yep, he was depowered until Surfer vol.3 #1.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Edit: So what else should we compare? Their records against Thanos? How about Odin? I'm sure Surfer trumps Thor in those. What about Galactus?

Or their fights with Wonderman, Hulk, and Millinius.

Originally posted by amnesia
Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.

I've gotten h1i8 to conceed that Surfer would beat Superman and nvr to admit that I owned him in a debate 😉 .

Well technically bran got nvr to admit it, but I was the one he acknowledged as doing the owning.