Originally posted by darthgoober
Where is his feats of resisting having the energy drained from his rings? And it's not like Surfer has to store the energy of all 10 rings and then just sit on it(though in GL/Surfer crossover he was able to absorb quite a bit of GL energy, all the power from the Central Battery if I'm remembering right), the best part about draining your opponent in the manner that Surfer does is that you then have energy other than your own avalible for use in the fight. Borgs own energies would amp Surfer's blasts and forcefields, amp his strength, and be avalible for him to heal himself with all while Borg was getting weaker from the drain. It's not nearly as uber as you're making it out to be. Put it this way, did Henshaw get trapped in the Source Wall and then immediately get away via transmutation/transference, or did he stay trapped long enough to constitute a win on the forum? I mean it's not as if the nature of his powers makes him completely immune to transmutation or DS wouldn't have been able to transmute him. As for Henshaw trapping Surfer in his ring, if Surfer can travel to any dimension he's ever been to pretty much at will and escape from something like the Soul World, I just don't see him getting trapped in a power ring.And if the draining thing is too much for you to buy(as is often the case when people aren't familiar enough with Surfer)... well Norrin could just pull a temporal BFR for another easy win.
Post crisis, Hal has had problems with energy absorption. Same with teleportation, but he's resisted energy absorption and has teleported before. Kyle has as well.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so when Thor says that Surfer's blast nearly killed him it's automatically hyperbole, but when he says that a shot from Bor WOULD have killed him it automatically means that Bor's uber as Hell?Like I said, their relative powers varied. I can't remember all the details of the issue in question so you might be right about Thor's depowerement(I'll look at that later), but even if he was Surfer was functioning at a fraction of his full power.
Yep, he was depowered until Surfer vol.3 #1.
Or their fights with Wonderman, Hulk, and Millinius.
Seeing as how all direct comparisons that I could think of before and after seem to indicate that Thor was above Surfer, and Bor was nearly a Skyfather -who broke Thor's rib with one hit and was tougher than Mjolnir-, I'd be willing to bet that the Surfer incident was more hyperbolic. It certainly doesn't help your case that it was contradicted in the same issue.
Besides, Surfer sucks and Bor was badass. Bor takes it automatically.
Hold on. Are you trying to argue that there relative powers varied in the same damn issue just so the Surfer's camp fall back card can have some form of credibility? Common Goob. I'm hoping I misunderstood you.
Cool. His power level is irrelevant to the discussion fortunately.
Go ahead. Thor's record against Wonder Man is pretty damn solid. Thor's been shown to be beyond him on more than one occasion.
Only under Englehart at the time he tried to give him a push would their even be a question who's stronger. Seeing as this is the guy who wanted Simon to apparently out slug the Hulk, I'm fine with it. DeFalco gave a nice f*ck you to him by having Hyperion beat the shit out of Wonder Man so I'm good.
The Hulk? Once again, a pretty solid record. The Hulk at best has stalemated Thor in strength or had the slight edge unless your willing to count that memory sequence. Thankfully we have Planet Hulk.
Surfer's been utterly dominated by the character's I listed.
mhmm Are you referring to Millennius?
Edit: Didn't intend for this to be a wall of text. My bad.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I've gotten h1i8 to conceed that Surfer would beat Superman and nvr to admit that I owned him in a debate 😉 .Well technically bran got nvr to admit it, but I was the one he acknowledged as doing the owning.
I got h1n8 to concede defeat a few days ago. I'm not impressed.
Re: Re: Re: Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail
Originally posted by Ambient
Well he was able to drain Psychoman's control-box.. Anynow emotional spectrum still psi..
I thought it was more cosmic, but on another level. Wasn't it said to be cosmic emotional or something?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seeing as how all direct comparisons that I could think of before and after seem to indicate that Thor was above Surfer, and Bor was nearly a Skyfather -who broke Thor's rib with one hit and was tougher than Mjolnir-, I'd be willing to bet that the Surfer incident was more hyperbolic. It certainly doesn't help your case that it was contradicted in the same issue.Besides, Surfer sucks and Bor was badass. Bor takes it automatically.
Hold on. Are you trying to argue that there relative powers varied in the same damn issue just so the Surfer's camp fall back card can have some form of credibility? Common Goob. I'm hoping I misunderstood you.
Cool. His power level is irrelevant to the discussion fortunately.
Go ahead. Thor's record against Wonder Man is pretty damn solid. Only under Englehart at the time he tried to give him a push would their even be a question who's stronger. DeFalco gave a nice f*ck you to him by having Hyperion beat the shit out of Wonder Man so I'm good.
The Hulk? Once again, a pretty solid record. The Hulk at best has stalemated Thor in strength or had the slight edge unless your willing to count that memory sequence. Thankfully we have Planet Hulk.
Surfer's been utterly dominated by the character's I listed.
mhmm Are you referring to Millennius?
Many comics for the period were inconsistant like that, the Defenders/Avengers crossover was no different. So yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.
Does Wonderman normally put up a good fight against Thor when they throw down, or does Thor absolutely steamroll him the way Surfer does?
Again, does Thor have a tough time against the Hulk, or does he trounce him the way Surfer does? And before you say that Surfer always drains him, no he doesn't. He's one shotted the Hulk with his Surfboard shortly after Hulk outright admited that Surfer was stronger. And I'm unsure what you're talking about in regards to Planet Hulk but if it's Surfer's fight with Hulk, not only was Surfer pretty much completely depowered and under the effect of anothers influence, he was whooping ass until the Warbound jumped in and distracted him.
And which do you think are more valid showings? Put it this way, would you use Thor's showings against Odin as a measure of Odin's abilities in a forum thread?
Yeah, that's it.