political correctness

Originally posted by inimalist
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do you really think I'm against muslims veiling?

like, when i responded to you in that thread I explained that i tend to sympathize with muslim issues worldwide, and even here, I told you that I corrected you.

put plainly: I am against banning the veil. As you correctly identified, my initial post in that thread was essentially to mock, sarcastically, what i feel is an intellectually untenable position.

So no, I'm cool with masked al qaeda people, I can't say the prospect of islamic terrorism is something that keeps me awake at night

Originally posted by Bardock42
You think? How so?

My original point is a person (a) that won't hire another person (b) because that person (b) hates a certain type of person (c) and the hiring person (a) hates that type person (b) that hates on that person (c again.)

A is prejudiced against b because b is prejudiced against c. Because a doesn't hire b then a crosses the line between prejudiced and actually discriminates.

This is all on the premise of b never having done anything illegal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
My original point is a person (a) that won't hire another person (b) because that person (b) hates a certain type of person (c) and the hiring person (a) hates that type person (b) that hates on that person (c again.)

A is prejudiced against b because b is prejudiced against c. Because a doesn't hire b then a crosses the line between prejudiced and actually discriminates.

This is all on the premise of b never having done anything illegal.

Yes, but that all doesn't have anything to do with hate necessarily. 753 made the issue about hate without basis in fact, basically calling the terms of your argument, which I think was not about that at all. The best way would have been to show him that the "basis in fact" thing isn't true, but additionally prejudice is not hating anything at all, it is having an preconceived opinion on something albeit often thought of as mostly unfavourable.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Name one example and then tell me how it applies to the exact context we are discussing.

But it won't matter anyway because 753 already posted something that made him wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but that all doesn't have anything to do with hate necessarily. 753 made the issue about hate without basis in fact, basically calling the terms of your argument, which I think was not about that at all. The best way would have been to show him that the "basis in fact" thing isn't true, but additionally prejudice is not hating anything at all, it is having an preconceived opinion on something albeit often thought of as mostly unfavourable.

Originally posted by 753
No I didn't. You either didnt read or didnt understand my post.

You did.

So whose sock are you?

There's only a few people that would pretend they weren't so obviously wrong and most of those people are banned.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but that all doesn't have anything to do with hate necessarily. 753 made the issue about hate without basis in fact, basically calling the terms of your argument, which I think was not about that at all. The best way would have been to show him that the "basis in fact" thing isn't true, but additionally prejudice is not hating anything at all, it is having an preconceived opinion on something albeit often thought of as mostly unfavourable.

No, it does because it started with a post by Rexxx. Start from there and work your way towards the present.

As for the last part, that's why I've been telling 753...but I'm pretty sure he's a sock troll so I won't reply to anymore of his trolling.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Any that are affecting the work place.

the point would be to try and eliminate bias, no?

Originally posted by -Pr-
the point would be to try and eliminate bias, no?

Well, lemme add to your sentence that makes my thought complete:

"The point would be to try and eliminate workplace bias that evolves into something negatively affects the work place."

There's more or less what I was trying to say...I just didn't have enough words.

What if one of my white employees was found out to be a member of a white supremacist group but never had done anything illegal? What if this caused, say, 6 out of my 18 employees to threaten me with quitting? As long as my racist idiot didn't don anything wrong at work, I'd let the others walk out. In fact, if they affected the work place, negatively, with their words and/or actions, I'd fire them before I'd fire the well-behaved supremacist.

It's real easy to say you'd fire a racist ***hole that causes trouble, but can people say the same for an employee that is well behaved and does nothing criminally?

Someone mentioned earlier about that "racist" person not making a spectacle of themselves. That's also true. If that person started to negatively affect the work place by causing a loss in revenues, they'd have to go because the customers are not longer giving us business.

See how it works?

I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I fired that person and nothing negative ever happened while he or she was there. But if they hurt the business, then I have a good reason and don't have to worry about a successful lawsuit.

I'm a big proponent of not getting involved in employees "outside of work" lives. It's just wrong and Nazi-like to do that shit. If that shit is checked at the door before they come to work, more power to them. If they do a good job, they'll get a nice raise and even a promotion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What if one of my white employees was found out to be a member of a white supremacist group but never had done anything illegal? What if this caused, say, 6 out of my 18 employees to threaten me with quitting? As long as my racist idiot didn't don anything wrong at work, I'd let the others walk out. In fact, if they affected the work place, negatively, with their words and/or actions, I'd fire them before I'd fire the well-behaved supremacist.

not if you were a publicly traded company

or lived anywhere other than Oklahoma 😛

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm a big proponent of not getting involved in employees "outside of work" lives. It's just wrong and Nazi-like to do that shit. If that shit is checked at the door before they come to work, more power to them. If they do a good job, they'll get a nice raise and even a promotion.

"Hey I can just leave this bloody shovel in the janitor closet right?"
"Uh, no."
"Cool, cool I'll leave it in the trunk with the hooker."
"So long as it doesn't come inside."

😛

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, lemme add to your sentence that makes my thought complete:

"The point would be to try and eliminate workplace bias that evolves into something negatively affects the work place."

There's more or less what I was trying to say...I just didn't have enough words.

What if one of my white employees was found out to be a member of a white supremacist group but never had done anything illegal? What if this caused, say, 6 out of my 18 employees to threaten me with quitting? As long as my racist idiot didn't don anything wrong at work, I'd let the others walk out. In fact, if they affected the work place, negatively, with their words and/or actions, I'd fire them before I'd fire the well-behaved supremacist.

It's real easy to say you'd fire a racist ***hole that causes trouble, but can people say the same for an employee that is well behaved and does nothing criminally?

Someone mentioned earlier about that "racist" person not making a spectacle of themselves. That's also true. If that person started to negatively affect the work place by causing a loss in revenues, they'd have to go because the customers are not longer giving us business.

See how it works?

I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I fired that person and nothing negative ever happened while he or she was there. But if they hurt the business, then I have a good reason and don't have to worry about a successful lawsuit.

I'm a big proponent of not getting involved in employees "outside of work" lives. It's just wrong and Nazi-like to do that shit. If that shit is checked at the door before they come to work, more power to them. If they do a good job, they'll get a nice raise and even a promotion.

honestly, i agree with you. i just don't see how my what, six line post gave the impression that i'd come down on the racist guy regardless of how he behaved...

Originally posted by dadudemon
You did.

So whose sock are you?

There's only a few people that would pretend they weren't so obviously wrong and most of those people are banned.

No, it does because it started with a post by Rexxx. Start from there and work your way towards the present.

As for the last part, that's why I've been telling 753...but I'm pretty sure he's a sock troll so I won't reply to anymore of his trolling.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
"Hey I can just leave this bloody shovel in the janitor closet right?"
"Uh, no."
"Cool, cool I'll leave it in the trunk with the hooker."
"So long as it doesn't come inside."

😛

Well, I did specify "nothing illegal."

Originally posted by inimalist
not if you were a publicly traded company

or lived anywhere other than Oklahoma 😛

Most of the small happenings of low-level employees go unnoticed.

And, a publicly traded company would be subject to the primary shareholders opinions on it...as well as the company policy. However, a story was "sensationalized" in the news, it could cause their stocks to lower. I can see it now, "XYZ Corp employs White Supremacists and believes it is right. Here's John with the full story."

Originally posted by -Pr-
honestly, i agree with you. i just don't see how my what, six line post gave the impression that i'd come down on the racist guy regardless of how he behaved...

LOL!

Well, it wasn't even a six line post; tt was a one liner asking me about the bias I was talking about. So, I figured I would explain after you asked me if the point would be to eliminate bias. That second question warranted, imo, an detailed explanation as to what type of bias that would need to be eliminated: any bias that negatively affects the work place.

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