political correctness

Originally posted by -Pr-
ill put it to you this way.

You run an office. Say there's, a dozen people working there. Half are black, half are white. It becomes made aware that even though it was on their off hours, one of your white employees is a member of the KKK.

Do you honestly think it's ok to keep that person on when you know the black employees are going to have a problem with it and things might escalate?

Keep home away from work. You break the rules, you get disciplined. Bias should not be allowed at work from a manager.

If the racist guy says something racist, you send him through the "cultural sensitivity" training course that should already be in place.

Next offense: fired.

If any of the black folk say something to him and he asks them to stop, subsequent approaches are considered harassment and then they would go through the appropriate HR training course.

Subsequent harassment will net them a firing.

There's no reason one cannot be an effective manager in a situation like that. The company will spend thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars trying to get a new employee hired and trained. It's in the best interest to keep the employees. If they don't do anything illegal and the behave at work, it would be ethically, morally, and even potentially legally, wrong.

yes.. i would have a workshop meeting with constitutional right reviews and have some ppl talk about tolerance and freedom of speech and religious tolerance outside the work place whether we agree with them or not..

i will then have some vets talk about what they fought for.. at the end if they cant leave it outside the door.. then they can pick up their last pay check for disrupting the work area.. blk or white if it is done inside work hours.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Way to censor me man. Besides it would offend WS if I were polite, he repeatedly made that clear.

Excuses, excuses. You bashed by calling him a 'f***ing moron,' and I told you not to. Just do as you're asked and don't insult him. If he's being problematic, I'll handle it.

Otherwise, be civil. Pretty simple.

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I agree, if you can't leave your problems or prejudices at the door, you shouldn't be allowed to work somewhere. I wouldn't like working with a Neo-Nazi or KKK member any more than the next guy because I think they're full of shit, but unless their actions or attitude disrupts the workplace, they shouldn't be penalized for it.

Though personally if someone is going to hold those beliefs I think they should disappear in a dark, deep hole...

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not like their myth busting is usually incredibly deep.

It's not hard to disprove the "astronaut in the shadow" claim, the footprint claim, the flag waving in a vacuum claim, or the multiple light sources claim.

The most difficult one to do, for them, was the astronaut in the shadow, claim. They go the reflectivity index correct..lighting...etc.

All the others are relatively easy to debunk. (With the vacuum one being the most difficult..due to needing a vacuum container to put a flag in. lol

Personally, I think NASA should sue people that try and make money off of claiming the moon myth.

Originally posted by REXXXX
I agree, if you can't leave your problems or prejudices at the door, you shouldn't be allowed to work somewhere. I wouldn't like working with a Neo-Nazi or KKK member any more than the next guy because I think they're full of shit, but unless their actions or attitude disrupts the workplace, they shouldn't be penalized for it.

Though personally if someone is going to hold those beliefs I think they should disappear in a dark, deep hole...

Ditto. You can't be a good manager if you can't check your prejudices at the door...even if your prejudices are against people that have prejudices concerning race: it's still a prejudice. Discrimination is prejudice in action...gotta check that shit at the door.

Yeah, definitely. I guess with my above statement that I was assuming that it was discovered during their employment that they were a member of a prejudice group. If I were in the process of hiring someone and found out that they were actively involved in Nazism or the Klan, it would alter my decision in hiring them depending on the manner in which I found out.

For example, if I saw there were complaints from previous jobs about his prejudices causing problems, too bad, so sad, you don't get the job. If there weren't such things, I'd still consider hiring him so long as I thought he could contribute positively to the work atmosphere and not cause problems. If it didn't work out because he said/did something offensive, I'd gladly be the first to put a black mark on his record.

Originally posted by REXXXX
For example, if I saw there were complaints from previous jobs about his prejudices causing problems, too bad, so sad, you don't get the job. If there weren't such things, I'd still consider hiring him so long as I thought he could contribute positively to the work atmosphere and not cause problems. If it didn't work out because he said/did something offensive, I'd gladly be the first to put a black mark on his record.

Well, that's just being a good manager. It would be foolish for someone to hire a "record bearing" prejudiced prick if there were other qualified individuals on the list.

Unless, of course, he or she said that they were a reformed person and no longer involved in that. Then, you'd have to pick up on "bullshitting" cues to make sure they aren't lying.

Of course.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ditto. You can't be a good manager if you can't check your prejudices at the door...even if your prejudices are against people that have prejudices concerning race: it's still a prejudice. Discrimination is prejudice in action...gotta check that shit at the door.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Damn, I just found out my employee was going to bring a bomb into the building. Now I realize I shouldn't call the cops because that would be prejudice against people carrying bombs.

Nah. That'd be stupid.

Also, discriminating against your employees because of their religious beliefs is stupid, too.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Keep home away from work. You break the rules, you get disciplined. Bias should not be allowed at work from a manager.

If the racist guy says something racist, you send him through the "cultural sensitivity" training course that should already be in place.

Next offense: fired.

If any of the black folk say something to him and he asks them to stop, subsequent approaches are considered harassment and then they would go through the appropriate HR training course.

Subsequent harassment will net them a firing.

There's no reason one cannot be an effective manager in a situation like that. The company will spend thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars trying to get a new employee hired and trained. It's in the best interest to keep the employees. If they don't do anything illegal and the behave at work, it would be ethically, morally, and even potentially legally, wrong.

what bias are you talking about?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. That'd be stupid.

Also, discriminating against your employees because of their religious beliefs is stupid, too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
ill put it to you this way.

You run an office. Say there's, a dozen people working there. Half are black, half are white. It becomes made aware that even though it was on their off hours, one of your white employees is a member of the KKK.

Do you honestly think it's ok to keep that person on when you know the black employees are going to have a problem with it and things might escalate?

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it really comes down to do you dp the right thing although unpopular or do you do the wrong thing which is very popular..

if neither group has done anything it wouldnt be fair to fire either but if one who is in the wrong and it is the majority do side with them and fire some one who done nothing wrong..

the old saying: doing the right thing isnt always the easy thing to do nor most popular thing to do.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Ditto. You can't be a good manager if you can't check your prejudices at the door...even if your prejudices are against people that have prejudices concerning race: it's still a prejudice. Discrimination is prejudice in action...gotta check that shit at the door.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Damn, I just found out my employee was going to bring a bomb into the building. Now I realize I shouldn't call the cops because that would be prejudice against people carrying bombs.

Not the same thing at all. Hiring a KKK member and labeling a ticking time bomb is not a good hiring practice. If you think he is a ticking time bomb, don't hire him. You establish that at hiring.

Originally posted by 753
Hating racists isnt a prejudice. It's not a preconceived judgment of a person based on traits not related to character like skin colour. It is a an opinion based on fact and reason, racism isn't.

No, hating racists is prejucdiced.

"unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group."

If you hate a racist, that's prejudice. If you discriminate against a racist at work when that racist person does not, at all, bring their racism into work, then you have done something illegal.

Cognitive dissonance, however, has the racist person probably doing something racist, anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
what bias are you talking about?

Any that are affecting the work place.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you hate a racist, that's prejudice. If you discriminate against a racist at work when that racist person does not, at all, bring their racism into work, then you have done something illegal.

Cognitive dissonance, however, has the racist person probably doing something racist, anyway.

How do you know the person is racist if they're not do racist things?

this all started if you find out someone is racist or anti certain politics b/c you see him outside of work participating at some event..

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How do you know the person is racist if they're not do racist things?

In the hiring process, you actually do a damn good job and investigate the people you are hiring.

I don't want to say too much because that could ruin the moment with my inane posts, but, what do you think some hiring managers do when they are reviewing potential employees?

Well, the last time I applied for a job, when I was interviewed the first thing the guy did when I entered his office was give me a gun and a holster, which he told me to attach to one of my belt loops. After I did so he asked me to pose like I was guarding something, and to rest my right hand on the gun, which I did. After like thirty seconds of that he told me I had the job.

DOES THAT SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT?!