A guy named BT, mostly:
Originally posted by Burning thought
i vote kain for sky-father/transcendant, he has so many powers hes worthy of the tier
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain obvious transcendant (beyond if there was one)invincibility
Boundless/infnite energy manipulation
infnite incorruptable magic
Time manipulation
Dimension powers (can travel through, into, summon others from dimensions)
Transfigeration
Soul devouring
incredible mental abilities, illusions, mind control etc
instant teleportation
infnite potential (constant evolution, evolves every so years gaining a great amount of power)
immortality
Originally posted by Burning thought
now can we vote kain, hes been on that list for about 100 years as nothing, taking his powers into account at his prime? 😄invincibility
Boundless/infnite energy manipulation
infnite incorruptable magic
Time manipulation
Dimension powers (can travel through, into, summon others from dimensions)
Transfigeration
Soul devouring
incredible mental abilities, illusions, mind control etc
instant teleportation
infnite potential (constant evolution, evolves every so years gaining a great amount of power)
immortalitysimply top of the list id put him, infnite energy manipualtion and he could very likely destroy anything
The problem is: while Kain has a fairly wide variety of powers, almost all of them are wholly featless, gameplay only, or pathetic in scale. 😐
There's a vague quote somewhere that as the scion of balance Kain can "regulate" magic in Nosgoth, and it specificly says in Nosgoth, and somehow a jump was made that this means he can actually amp himself to infitnite power. IE, pure fan speculation and a leap of logic beyond insane.
So, this thread serves two purposes for me, one, I think it'd be interesting of more than one Kain supporter showed up. (Astner is being helpful, but I can easily argue Kain has no reaction feat to allow him to mist or teleport intime to avoid Spiderman pummelling him.) Secondly, it's a good way to show Kain is around low meta, not herald.
I think we should be restricting Spider-man's feats to the era in question, Civil War. Authors tend to do things differentely, and having scans of the panel where Spider-man blitzes Firelord posted is uncalled for.
I'd still tip slightly in Kain's favor, Spider-man wouldn't be able to dodge or survive a lightning strike and all Kain has to do is telekinetically grab him. Though if Spider-man got close and landed a few hits they would doubtlessly cause a lot of damage.
Originally posted by AstnerSpiderman has precog and he could easily aim-dodge Kain's attack before it was actually set off, imho.
I think we should be restricting Spider-man's feats to the era in question, Civil War. Authors tend to do things differentely, and having scans of the panel where Spider-man blitzes Firelord posted is uncalled for.I'd still tip slightly in Kain's favor, Spider-man wouldn't be able to dodge or survive a lightning strike and all Kain has to do is telekinetically grab him. Though if Spider-man got close and landed a few hits they would doubtlessly cause a lot of damage.
I edited my post above with something similar. Also Kain needs to be able to grab something as fast as spidey with TK, and spidey has a way to tether out. I also don't think a single lightning bolt from Kain would put Spidey down, and he's a quick learner.
.2 mA (mili-ampere) is deadly. Powerful lightning bolts can reach up to 200 kA that's a factor billion. No one has ever survived lightning strike directly, survivers that pass out are usually 5-10 meters away from the impact (which is usually a tree).
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What difference does it make?
Originally posted by Astner
.2 mA (mili-ampere) is deadly. Powerful lightning bolts can reach up to 200 kA that's a factor billion. No one has ever survived lightning strike directly, survivers that pass out are usually 5-10 meters away from the impact (which is usually a tree).I assumed that it was the version we used.
I think feats performed by regular Spider-Man should be kosher for a superior version of Spider-Man.
Originally posted by AstnerKain's lightning bolts, to my knowledge, never show themselves to be as powerful as real ones, only as fast. (sort of a smaller scale zap bolt, almost.)
.2 mA (mili-ampere) is deadly. Powerful lightning bolts can reach up to 200 kA that's a factor billion. No one has ever survived lightning strike directly, survivers that pass out are usually 5-10 meters away from the impact (which is usually a tree).I assumed that it was the version we used.
Do you have something to show they're on par with real ones?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's a big difference between a human and Spider-Man. Spider-Man is much faster and has pre-cog that allows him to move before the lightning strikes.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think feats performed by regular Spider-Man should be kosher for a superior version of Spider-Man.
Originally posted by AstnerSo basically you demand a scan of Spidey dodging lightning attacks in the civil war era?
I think we should be restricting Spider-man's feats to the era in question, Civil War. Authors tend to do things differentely, and having scans of the panel where Spider-man blitzes Firelord posted is uncalled for.I'd still tip slightly in Kain's favor, Spider-man wouldn't be able to dodge or survive a lightning strike and all Kain has to do is telekinetically grab him. Though if Spider-man got close and landed a few hits they would doubtlessly cause a lot of damage.
These kinds of demands are so specific that at a point people just can't provide them
but here:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1558/agilityavoidinglasers3.jpg
it's from the civil war era (don't have the issue number though)
Here's another thing, not from civil war (before) but he says that he's doing that stuff for years
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2465/agilityavoidinglasers1.jpg
BTW I only voted for this Thread cause of Spidey I have no clue about Kains powers (so I wasn't baiting anyone) it's just that I can really contribute something this time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain's lightning bolts, to my knowledge, never show themselves to be as powerful as real ones, only as fast. (sort of a smaller scale zap bolt, almost.)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do you have something to show they're on par with real ones?
Here's another thing, not from civil war (before) but he says that he's doing that stuff for yearsDude does a lot in the time it takes Chameleon to finish a sentence. o_o; Nice.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/...dinglasers1.jpg
Originally posted by Astner
I can't find fotage, but it is his most powerful spell as i deals instant-death to all enemies on the screen.No, I don't.
Well, maybe you can supply some feats for the enemies it kills? That'd be good, too.
Originally posted by Astner
A factor billion in current is a lot, it would cleave a tree in wo along the stem. Furthermore his speed, that's why he'd have to telekinetically grab him by his throat before blasting him down.But it's not the same. Authors write their characters differently. Jim Starlin's characters for instance are a lot weaker (Silver Surfer having to be amped to destroy a moon, a planetary explosion nearly killing Galactus, etc.).
Yet it's all part of the character history, everythign they have done is still canon for when the next writer takes over unless retconned. Civil war spider-man actually had an upgrade so weather he did all those same feat or not he is capable of each of them.
otherwise every vs thread we'd have to state a specific arc for every character
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, maybe you can supply some feats for the enemies it kills? That'd be good, too.
Aside from that, Kain's quote when acquiring the spell is as follows.
"With this spell I can call upon the heavens to tear my enemies apart with its explosive power. Oh, how their bodies will rupture as the scything energy rips through them!"
Looking back at it, couldn't Kain steal Spider-man's soul wih Spirit Wrack? After freezing him in time with Incapacitate?
Incapacitate: "Through this magic, I can stop my enemies in their tracks. Frozen in time, they can do nothing to hinder their own doom. Sometimes, I draw out their fate, for the added fear sweetens their blood."
Spirit Wack: "With this spell I can tear a creature's soul from its body, leaving its vacant flesh mine to control!"
