Originally posted by Psychopath001
Better fighter than Nova, I can agree she is. But I can tell you this much, she will NEVER beat Nova in hand to hand combat. More than anything else, more than anything Nova ever displays, his resilience for pain and the level of difficulty it presents bringing his life to an end is by far his major advantage.
Everyone goes down with enough damage. Resilience to pain prevents one from dropping fast but it doesn't prevent the damage from happening, and that's what grants the win.
WW also has taken extreme levels of pain and damage without dropping too. Minutes after she and Superman beat each other to a pulp in Sacrifice they were both heroing again, and she was just fine for taking on a trio of Alpha OMACs (the class of OMACs designated for taking on Superman types).
Can Wonder Woman fight Nova hand to hand and be superior at it, yes, because although Nova has been trained by the original Nova Prime as well as Drax the Destroyer, he does not have nearly as much experience with hand to hand combat as she does. But can she win with it?
Quite frankly yes. She can take down kryptonians and gods in melee. Anyone who's herald level toughness can be taken down by her.
1) Nova was protecting two other people at the time of the blast, to make sure their lives weren't brought to an end right then and there.2) He was not hurt, but not even seriously harmed by the incident.
But also it was spread across an entire solar system and with an epicenter quite a distance from him. That reduces the damage a lot, square cubed rule and all. He just had to spend some energy to defend against the small portion that hit him.
The lightning Diana calls down may be powerful, but considering Nova has been in the heated core of Galactus's ship's engine room, withstood the blast I referred to earlier at it's most intense, close to Galactus, has been to the core of a dying planet, and has gone hand to hand with the likes of the silver surfer without any significant damage, I think I can say that he is more than capable of surviving several blasts from the bracers lightning (That is my speculation, if the measurements you're giving of the lightning bolts are accurate).
The blasts probably won't one-shot him, but considering they're able to blast back wargods and ash Ivo made battle androids (also of note- she can keep it going for awhile, it doesn't have to be a quick blast, if someone's caught between she can keep a currant going), he's not going to like taking them and they can also be used as a set-up to further attacks.
It's a powerful tactical tool. Same as the tiara, useful for piercing defenses and attacking vital spots, or the lasso, useful for restraining or reducing capabilities or also just as a weapon.
Another fact about Nova you might be interested in knowing. The more of the Nova force he calls on, the harder it is to beat him. Think of it like how the hulk keeps getting angrier and therefore my powerful. Nova gets desperate and reaches deeper and deeper into the Nova force, looking for a solution.The more of the Nova force he calls on, the more powerful his attacks get, and the faster his suit heals his body and repairs itself.
Yea, but there are limits, and attacks of this level will still dish damage faster than he can repair.
Diana can win this, but I put her chances of victory waaaaay below 50%.
I put them at above 50% (though with a good share of wins for Nova too).
Nova's quite powerful, but Diana's had enough upgrades to move into the high herald category, and even before upgrades she was pretty far up in the mid-heralds.
Also, power aside, WW's a very good tactician and uses her options well.
And for the record, Nova once used a nova force blast that was off the scale in order to lobotomize Ego, the living planet.
By being within his brain. That makes it quite a bit easier.
Just to make things clear, I'm a Nova fan too, his book is great and I think he deserves a ton of respect, I just give Diana the nod in a fight.
dmills
A fight stopper.
Can be blocked or avoided by speeding out of the blast radius. Also hard to tell how much damage it'd do to a herald-toughness target, it might just cause a lot of damage but not finish things.
A *potential* fight stopper, perhaps, but not without counter.
I don't think either fighter has something that'll grant them a win every time just because they try it. This isn't a fight of that kind.
Or better yet, Diana could end up like this...
Out of character. I do wish people wouldn't try and turn so many WW threads into sex things.
Warlord
nova should take his place among other powerhouses in the comics community...he's not the inexperienced rookie he once was
Agreed.
Originally posted by Warlord
for me even the fact that Nova is starting to be appreciated as equal to WW's power level is fine.I remember creating the same thread some months ago and most people were thinking this wasn't even a fight
Yea, I have a hard time picturing it being anything but an all-out, majorly destructive epic battle.
Originally posted by dmills
With regards to h2h, it should be noted that Nova casually dispatched of Gamora in CQC FWIW. I consider Gamora to be Diana's superior in CQC, (Not strength wise of course 🙂) but that another debate.
He ain't beatin her H2H. No way no how... He has to use his various abilities cause she is just way too skilled and experienced. I do think he wins a slight majority. Unless her lasso or tiara connects.
I'm thinking he can repel them though pretty easily...
If this nova recruit can do this, he should be able to repel objects that are even more damaging or projected with even more power...
http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nova2808.jpg/
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Ah, but notice that I made a distinction between h2h and cqc. There's a difference 😉.
He ain't beatin her H2H. No way no how... He has to use his various abilities cause she is just way too skilled and experienced. I do think he wins a slight majority. Unless her lasso or tiara connects.I'm thinking he can repel them though pretty easily...
If this nova recruit can do this, he should be able to repel objects that are even more damaging or projected with even more power...
http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nova2808.jpg/
Nice find btw. Morrow using gravity to repel those spikes.
Originally posted by dmills
Ah, but notice that I made a distinction between h2h and cqc. There's a difference 😉.Nice find btw. Morrow using gravity to repel those spikes.
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page5.jpg
going by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page5.jpggoing by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.
The "Page not found" makes a compelling argument. 😛
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Nah. The Xenith fight is an outlier. Prime was just freaking out over Robbie. Most of his fights in cqc he mixs grav manipulation with h2h. i.e. Drax etc.
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page5.jpggoing by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page5.jpggoing by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.
woops posted the wrong links.... fight went more like this...
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page5.jpg
