X-Force: Counter Terrorism Unit or Murders?

We've been hearing the protests from Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler ect about the formation of X-Force for a while now. Various rants condoning Cyclops decision to put X-Force in play, Beast was so disgusted by X-Force that he left the team and Storm went as far as to say that the only thing separating them from their enemies was semantics. Seriously? Is a preemptive strike on people hell bent on genocide really "crossing the line"? In my mind X-Force is pretty clearly a Counter Terrorist unit... can Beast and Storm honestly not see the distinction between Counter Terrorism measures and wholesale murder? Seriously? Is the issue solely with the use of lethal force? Some times lethal force is the only option. Do Storm and Beast have of the same opinion of Police Officers and Military Personal, as they do X-Force? Because that would be a pretty narrow outlook. I'm really having a hard time understanding where they are coming from on this. Their stances just seem absrud to me... particularly in the light of Second Coming, which does nothing but cement the fact that Cyclops made the right decision.

What do you guys think, are Beast and Storm right? You decide, X-Force: Counter Terrorists or Murders?

Whether they are a good decision or not (i personally can see the justification for them), I think Cyclops made the decision for bad, not well thought out reasons, which for me says that it was the wrong choice at the time for HIM personally.

I do think they serve a valuable purpose, though, and while they do some pretty bad work, they're no different from the likes of Delta or such other organisations imo...

The bad guys they are trying to kill are trying to kill many innocent and unaware people, where as X force are stopping this from happening permenently. So I think they are very different from their targets, not only seperated by semantics or whatever.

But I do think killing them is wrong, they should imprison them or take away their powers or something

Storm is delusional and the fact of the matter is she wasn't there and Beast is just butt hurt.

Given the current situation it was necessary although he did not utilize his resources properly.

Originally posted by Omgu8mynewt
The bad guys they are trying to kill are trying to kill many innocent and unaware people, where as X force are stopping this from happening permenently. So I think they are very different from their targets, not only seperated by semantics or whatever.

But I do think killing them is wrong, they should imprison them or take away their powers or something

A lot of them had no powers, they should have just brainwashed them over and over again.

They're a bunch of murderers, Scott will be drinking wine with the Red Skull soon enough.

(Wait for it.....

Shadowland X-men version!)

Originally posted by Bentley
They're a bunch of murderers, Scott will be drinking wine with the Red Skull soon enough.

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That would be the single greatest plot development and scene in the history of the X-men.

Good for them. Now if Batman could just man the **** up and grow a pair and so the same thing...

^ I was actually going to point that out some people have a problem with Batman killing but not X-force. Whats going on there?

Many people are just automatically adverse to change, and their cognitive dissonance will subconsciously generate justifications for their dislike of it. I can assure you that if Batman had started off from the very beginning killing every mother****er he came up against he'd still be popular, and no one would care. It's because he doesn't normally kill that people flip out when he does. "zomg that's not in character for Bruce rabblerabble!" By that same token if Punisher decided to just never kill anyone again, Punisher fans would lose their minds.

No one likes massive changes to popular and well established characters. Spiderman. Black? *hiss hiss sputter*

Well the X-Men are in charge of a sovereign nation (and before M-Day they where all XSE) so they are in a different place than Batman. As good as he is, Batman is merely a cog in a system but the X-Men are the system. The X-Men are running a country, they police them selves and run their own prison system, where as Batman works inside the confines of the established criminal justice system.

I think Batman should kill when necessary or to save a life, I don't see why he should be held to such radically different standards than police officers. It's a very dated bs "Comic Code Authority" view that should be updated.

People became upset with the idea of Batman killing because it's against his character, not because they deemed it morally wrong. Different matter entirely from the X-Force discussion.

Storm and Beast had to be upset, because someone needs to be upset with major changes, else there's very little internal drama to write from. They're high-profile enough for it to matter to the X-books. Irrational disagreement with something that isn't terribly outlandish isn't anything new to comics.

Who's "they" Digi out of curiosity? You mean the fans?

beast was also upset about the whole him being tortured and scot just allowed it untill it was convient for him to stop it.

Originally posted by Digi
People became upset with the idea of Batman killing because it's against his character, not because they deemed it morally wrong.

From my experience thats quite incorrect.

Originally posted by Digi
Different matter entirely from the X-Force discussion.

You sure about that?

Originally posted by Deadline

You sure about that?

Originally posted by Deadline
^ I was actually going to point that out some people have a problem with Batman killing but not X-force. Whats going on there?

because they're different characters. that's all really.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Many people are just automatically adverse to change, and their cognitive dissonance will subconsciously generate justifications for their dislike of it. I can assure you that if Batman had started off from the very beginning killing every mother****er he came up against he'd still be popular, and no one would care. It's because he doesn't normally kill that people flip out when he does. "zomg that's not in character for Bruce rabblerabble!" By that same token if Punisher decided to just never kill anyone again, Punisher fans would lose their minds.

No one likes massive changes to popular and well established characters. Spiderman. Black? *hiss hiss sputter*

it's called consistency. which is as true of most people as it is fictional characters.

Originally posted by Digi
People became upset with the idea of Batman killing because it's against his character, not because they deemed it morally wrong. Different matter entirely from the X-Force discussion.

Storm and Beast had to be upset, because someone needs to be upset with major changes, else there's very little internal drama to write from. They're high-profile enough for it to matter to the X-books. Irrational disagreement with something that isn't terribly outlandish isn't anything new to comics.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
I think there is. For one x-force was promoted as a kill team. It members are also known for killing people neither of which batman is.

I think you're jumping on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by Deadline
I think you're jumping on the bandwagon.

honestly you need to stop being so sensitive all the time. Your point you made is not correct plain an simple in my opinion.

For one batman has never been sold as a killer.

X-force was sold as a kill team.

Batman does not for the vast majority kill and actual has made several claims it against his code.

Majority of x-force are stone cold killers, mercenaries that have no problem with killing or people who literally have a personality that personify death.

Batman is not X-force there not remotely similar.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I am jumping on a bandwagon? Becuase I disagree with your post?

honestly you need to stop being so sensitive all the time. Your point you made is not correct plain an simple in my opinion.

For one batman has never been sold as a killer.

X-force was sold as a kill team.

Batman does not for the vast majority kill and actual has made several claims it against his code.

Majority of x-force are stone cooled killers, mercenaries that have no problem with killing or people and personify death.

No you're jumping on the bandwagon because you probably think Batman should kill but you've suddenly changed your mind....

Originally posted by -Pr-
because they're different characters. that's all really.

it's called consistency. which is as true of most people as it is fictional characters.

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If thats your justification fine. Many people have agreed with what Batman does becuase they think its moraly correct and not because of his character.