Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
This is the only comic book related site I go to, and I spend less time in this little section then in almost any of the others on the forum. So, yeah you need to spell it out, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
No worries. I was just surprised. Final Crisis b*tching was as big as any irrational fan reaction in recent memory, never more so than Batman's actions during it.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanPeople love characters for what makes them who they are. One of the appeals of certain characters is CIS. Some people find it stupid when characters don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Others find this an appealing character trait.
Thanks for... complimenting my point? I love you PR.It doesn't give me a lot of hope though, if people would prefer that Batman is consistently stupid. *sighs* Fans...
This is the only comic book related site I go to, and I spend less time in this little section then in almost any of the others on the forum. So, yeah you need to spell it out, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
I know I like mouthy characters.
If you change certain attributes about a character they are no longer that character.
If batman suddenly started running around wearing a black bodysuit with a big white skull on the chest, no mask and started using guns to kill all of his oppponents he would no longer be batman. And those are only two character traits the costume and the weapon use.
I'm not referring to stupid in a sense like having a character quirk. I'm referring to stupid in the sense of "being a hero" with everyone in your universe licking your nuts like you are some kind of hero when in reality, looking at it from an out of universe perspective, you basically allow criminals you capture to kill innocent people later by putting them in the same prison they've broken out of 5,000 times prior, so often to the point where you expect them to break out and kill people later, ad yet you still just drop them off at the same prison once you catch them, like it's a daycare.
That's the type of stupidity I'm referring to, not a cheesy type of stupidity or a Deadpool type of stupidity, it's more of a constant PIS type of stupidity. Now, yes, I agree with you that even that could be something that people just find attractive about the character, which is fine. I don't find it appealing at all though, personally. I think it's annoying that the Joker, some fool with no super powers, is still alive killing innocent people every other Friday because the people in charge of policing him won't do what needs to be done, for fear of "crossing their own line". I like my heroes to act heroic, my anti-heroes to act in a gray area sort of way, and my villains to act like villains. *shrug*
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I'm not referring to stupid in a sense like having a character quirk. I'm referring to stupid in the sense of "being a hero" with everyone in your universe licking your nuts like you are some kind of hero when in reality, looking at it from an out of universe perspective, you basically allow criminals you capture to kill innocent people later by putting them in the same prison they've broken out of 5,000 times prior, so often to the point where you expect them to break out and kill people later, ad yet you still just drop them off at the same prison once you catch them, like it's a daycare.That's the type of stupidity I'm referring to, not a cheesy type of stupidity or a Deadpool type of stupidity.
Yes thats my beef but I just put it down to him being a comic book character. You got to create a reason for Batman villains turning up in the books, but when people try to morally justify it.....man.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanI think insanity is the word you're looking for, though stupidity could certainly be a valid descriptor, hence character induced stupidity. (CIS)
I'm not referring to stupid in a sense like having a character quirk. I'm referring to stupid in the sense of "being a hero" with everyone in your universe licking your nuts like you are some kind of hero when in reality, looking at it from an out of universe perspective, you basically allow criminals you capture to kill innocent people later by putting them in the same prison they've broken out of 5,000 times prior, so often to the point where you expect them to break out and kill people later, ad yet you still just drop them off at the same prison once you catch them, like it's a daycare.That's the type of stupidity I'm referring to, not a cheesy type of stupidity or a Deadpool type of stupidity.
Part of the problem is that the villians themselves have fanbases in the real world. The company could no more kill off a popular villian then they could kill off a popular hero. Because then they'd have to come up with a new villaian and it'd piss off the fans of that character.
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At which point killing the villian becomes equivilent to arresting them. They're dead/in jail until they ressurect/break out.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I think insanity is the word you're looking for, though stupidity could certainly be a valid descriptor, hence [b]character induced stupidity. (CIS)Part of the problem is that the villians themselves have fanbases in the real world. The company could no more kill off a popular villian then they could kill off a popular hero. Because then they'd have to come up with a new villaian and it'd piss off the fans of that character.
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At which point killing the villian becomes equivilent to arresting them. They're dead/in jail until they ressurect/break out. [/B]
Well, you've got not disagreement from me, there's definitely a lot of out of universe incentives for why the characters act the way they do. It still bothers me, though. A lot of people don't mind, but the stagnancy and repetition of the characters and plots is one of the reasons why I've just moved on to graphic novels and manga. Spiderman's BDN/OMD pretty much sealed the deal for me.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well, you've got not disagreement from me, there's definitely a lot of out of universe incentives for why the characters act the way they do. It still bothers me, though. A lot of people don't mind, but the stagnancy and repetition of the characters and plots is one of the reasons why I've just moved on to graphic novels and manga. Spiderman's BDN/OMD pretty much sealed the deal for me.
Hehehe
You moved into Manga to get away from stagnancy and repetition? 😆
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanThese days I get most of my comic knowledge from my friends. I only recently started reading comics again. And I already dread what they're going to do.
Well, you've got not disagreement from me, there's definitely a lot of out of universe incentives for why the characters act the way they do. It still bothers me, though. A lot of people don't mind, but the stagnancy and repetition of the characters and plots is one of the reasons why I've just moved on to graphic novels and manga. Spiderman's BDN/OMD pretty much sealed the deal for me.
I'm not a masochist, I'm loyal to the things I like. I like Jubilee. So I'm only reading to see hat happens to her. she dies or fades into obscurity again and I'll dissappear as well.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Yup. Manga stories end. That alone makes them less repetitive.Repetitiveness across the entire genre =\= repetition throughout a single neverending story, which is what Marvel/DC comics are. Never ending storylines.
None of that really rings true. Comics have multiple writers and stories that can change thematically from arc to arc. Batman can have a mystery story arc fallowed by a horror one and then a straight up high octane action affair after that. You are reading Batman stories, not the story of Batman. Comic authors pitch a story arcs, manga authors pitch a story... and extend it with filler until they are allowed to end it by the publisher.
Claiming that comics are more repetitive as a genre than manga is absurd. 99% of Manga - particularity everything popular - is the same generic garbage. Shonen Manga is all pretty much the same, falling into a handful of established archetypes (Dragon Ball Z = Naruto = One Piece = Shaman King; Yu Yu Hakasu = Bleach ect); I don't read Shojo or any of that garbage but my Otaku sister says they are pretty much the same as well. Now I will admit Manga has a surprisingly varied and robust selection of horror series (the art is usually head and shoulders above the rest of manga as well) which is something that western comics is lacking in... but unless you are exclusively reading horror manga you are seriously mistaken. I like reading manga scanlations as much as the next guy, but there is no way in hell it less repetative than comics...
I agree with RE: Blaxican when it comes to Batman. His "morality" is just something I find stupid at times. There was this one scene where he thought Joker had killed Gordan and nearly beat him to death. I liked that. Batman felt more human and realistic at that moment -if that makes sense- to me than any other time I can recall off the top of my head. Also the reason why I liked that moment in Final Crisis.
Thor for example is willing to cross the line when it has to be done. The scene where he kills Loki despite the consequences it will have on him was excellent. He loved Loki and had put up with him that far, but he realized that he wouldn't stop. He had to be put down.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki70.jpg
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http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki72.jpg
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Batman should have put a bullet in Joker's brain a long time ago.
I'm off to bed.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
None of that really rings true. Comics have multiple writers and stories that can change thematically from arc to arc. Batman can have a mystery story arc fallowed by a horror one and then a straight up high octane action affair after that. You are reading Batman stories, not the story of Batman. Comic authors pitch a story arcs, manga authors pitch a story... and extend it with filler until they are allowed to end it by the publisher.Claiming that comics are more repetitive as a genre than manga is absurd. 99% of Manga - particularity everything popular - is the same generic garbage. Shonen Manga is all pretty much the same, falling into a handful of established archetypes (Dragon Ball Z = Naruto = One Piece = Shaman King; Yu Yu Hakasu = Bleach ect); I don't read Shojo or any of that garbage but my Otaku sister says they are pretty much the same as well. Now I will admit Manga has a surprisingly varied and robust selection of horror series (the art is usually head and shoulders above the rest of manga as well) which is something that western comics is lacking in... but unless you are exclusively reading horror manga you are seriously mistaken. I like reading manga scanlations as much as the next guy, but there is no way in hell it less repetative than comics...
Do you know who Frieza is?
I guess the sarcasm of my post was lost.
If you are going to bring up a character to test someones knowledge of anime / manga, maybe there is a better choice than arguably the most famous villain from the most popular anime / manga of all time? Seriously, that's like asking me someone if they've ever heard of this character called the Joker.
Originally posted by srankmissingninDo you know who lucy is? And I'm refering to a specific Lucy here. Or do you know who Collet Farandole is?
I guess the sarcasm of my post was lost.If you are going to bring up a character to test someones knowledge of anime / manga, maybe there is a better choice than arguably the most famous villain from the most popular anime / manga of all time? Seriously, that's like asking me someone if they've ever heard of this character called the Joker.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIncorrect on the first one(I did say I was thinking of a specific one so that should have been a clue that it wouldn't be the first lucy to pop up in a google search) and correct on the second one though With such a specific name I have no way to verify you didn't just search it out particularly calling negima unmanly.
Unfortunately I know who both those characters are. You have a thing for beast girls with kitty ears I see.Elfen Lied and Magic Teacher Negima? Read some manlier manga. 😮
Although now that you've misidentified a character... I have no idea what that means.
