X-Force: Counter Terrorism Unit or Murders?

Originally posted by Creshosk
a non-evil litch. http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Archlich

If they are evil and harmless should killing them be wrong? If they are good, should killing them be wrong?

Is it at the same point amongst the living that it should be considered acceptable to kill an undead?

Sorry, I'm a platonic Nightmare fetishist so this is an area of school of thought that interests me.

Mind you the platonic part means without the sexual quality. What some people consider nightmare fuel or even high octane nightmare fuel doesn't bother me as much, outside of my weakpoints.

ah.

tbh at times i'd fall in to that category too, so i can see where you're coming from.

personal bias, for me, is always going to play a role in things like this. i could think all vampires are evil, but (assuming they existed) what happens when you fall in love with one? trying to shoe-horn things in to categories is always going to be a problem, as your perceptions can always be turned on their heads.

Originally posted by -Pr-
ah.

tbh at times i'd fall in to that category too, so i can see where you're coming from.

personal bias, for me, is always going to play a role in things like this. i could think all vampires are evil, but (assuming they existed) what happens when you fall in love with one? trying to shoe-horn things in to categories is always going to be a problem, as your perceptions can always be turned on their heads.

Vampires by their nature ARE evil. But evil doesn't necessarily mean harmful.

By some definitions catwoman was at one point in time considered evil. But death would have been considered rather harsh in my opinion.

Then you get characters like Magneto, who while evil certainly means well.

But as I said before my alignment is true neutral.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or what if someone you liked became a vampire?

Vampires by their nature ARE evil. But evil doesn't necessarily mean harmful.

By some definitions catwoman was at one point in time considered evil. But death would have been considered rather harsh in my opinion.

Then you get characters like Magneto, who while evil certainly means well.

But as I said before my alignment is true neutral.

ah. and mine isn't... 😂

just because my mind is made up for now, doesn't mean it can't be changed in the future...

Originally posted by -Pr-
ah. and mine isn't... 😂

just because my mind is made up for now, doesn't mean it can't be changed in the future...

Originally posted by Creshosk
I imagine yours to be a higher alignment. Probably neutral good. You have a bit harsher view of evil than I do.

possibly. i do tend to root for the good guys more often than not.

though you should see me in GTA lol...

Originally posted by -Pr-
possibly. i do tend to root for the good guys more often than not.

though you should see me in GTA lol...

There have been times when I've felt more sympathetic toward a villian, or outright hated the good guys.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, video games are kinda different. They allow us to do things we either wouldn't or couldn't do normally.

There have been times when I've felt more sympathetic toward a villian, or outright hated the good guys.

i was the person that laughed gunning down the civilians in the infamous "No Russian" level in Modern Warfare 2 also. Maybe it's just the ability to compartmentalise, or to know that in real life, you can't get away with the things you'd do in a video game.

It all depends on portrayal for me. I can sympathise with a villain even if they're wrong, and i can think that the heroes have crossed a line they shouldn't have.

Of course, though, i've always held the opinion that a hero that does something that makes sure he can never look himself in the mirror the same way again just to save everyone else, is something to be admired (Captain Sisko with the Romulans, Cyclops with X-Force, Superman with the three kryptonians even).

Originally posted by -Pr-
i was the person that laughed gunning down the civilians in the infamous "No Russian" level in Modern Warfare 2 also. Maybe it's just the ability to compartmentalise, or to know that in real life, you can't get away with the things you'd do in a video game.

It all depends on portrayal for me. I can sympathise with a villain even if they're wrong, and i can think that the heroes have crossed a line they shouldn't have.

Of course, though, i've always held the opinion that a hero that does something that makes sure he can never look himself in the mirror the same way again just to save everyone else, is something to be admired (Captain Sisko with the Romulans, Cyclops with X-Force, Superman with the three kryptonians even).

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Why? Do you even know why they sent you?
The Operative: It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
The Operative: I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or the operative from serenity?

nah, he was the bad guy lol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
nah, he was the bad guy lol.

Spoiler:
when he got an eyeful of that transmission, he changed his tune.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well yes. We knew that from the get go. But in his mind he was working for the good cause and Mal was standing in the way.

Spoiler:
when he got an eyeful of that transmission, he changed his tune.

Imagine if we didn't have the viewer knowledge or we followed him around?

oh, well that's true. from his POV yes, he was the good guy. and its easy to understand why. he just differs from the others because they knew the consequences of their actions and all the details.

Originally posted by -Pr-
oh, well that's true. from his POV yes, he was the good guy. and its easy to understand why. he just differs from the others because they knew the consequences of their actions and all the details.

Originally posted by Creshosk
POV is an important thing to keep in mind. In the Bioshock series the Little Sisters see YOU as the monster and the Big Daddies as the good guys. Now while its possible to make this true it doesn't have to be. Personally, that's my weakness so I could never harvest them.

oh, i know; i'm going by my own pov in this rather than trying to reach a neutral or objective standpoint, because i don't see a reason to.

i love tv tropes too lol.

Yum. TV Tropes. I've spent hours on that site.

Vampires in Buffy lack souls.

I don't really believe in souls anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
oh, i know; i'm going by my own pov in this rather than trying to reach a neutral or objective standpoint, because i don't see a reason to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i love tv tropes too lol.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's because you're not true neutral. 😛 I'm Types II and XIII btw.)

I love the extra subtext that I can highlight in my text by including links to the tropes. lol

the only one i have much in common with is #12.

😂, it is pretty fun.

Originally posted by -Pr-

👆

finally. i won't even get started about fraction's raping of the character as a leader.

also, when did scott drop x-force?

You mean it finally clicked with me after all these years? 😛

Scott dropped X-Force at the end of Second Coming he said it wasn't necessary anymore. Wolverine however believes that it's still necessary so he secretely assembled his own team which consists of Psylocke, Archangel, Fantomex and Deadpool.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You mean it finally clicked with me after all these years? 😛

Scott dropped X-Force at the end of Second Coming he said it wasn't necessary anymore. Wolverine however believes that it's still necessary so he secretely assembled his own team which consists of Psylocke, Archangel, Fantomex and Deadpool.

😂

see, if he'd done that after the big issue where he and emma talk about it and he comes clean, i would have given fraction a round of applause.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The fact that undead are mostly fictional is probably why the area is so weak. Not a lot of philosophers quantified the concept of undead.

Mostly fictional?

I'd say autopoiesis is the most cohesive and comprehensive and definition of life IMO. So any self-manufacturing and self-limiting network (of physical substance) would be alive regardless of its origins.

Originally posted by 753
Mostly fictional?

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(This lead to discoveries in cardiovascular surgery and a better understanding of the heart and circulatory system)

Or the monkey head transplant.

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Dick Cheney has no pulse

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Fungi that take over their hosts

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mostly fictional.