MOst Powerful Mutant

Started by Xplosive5 pages
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now youre trying to make out like i had an issue with the point that the chaos wave tore up reality i never did.

Not true. As you can see, I wasn't making an issue, I said ''even if you only agree with tearing it'', because I know you certainly agree with that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What i do have an issue with and as i proved in this thread with scans is that the chaos wave never went around from reality to reality collapsing them, it also never spread and collapsed a load of realities under its own power. Instead it collided with Otherworld and that had a domino effect which caused realities to collapse

If that is true, but still, tell, how many did that in Marvel Universe ever? Maybe only handful. This still goes among top feats in MU.

And what about when it says that wave power was beyond comphrehnsion of any sentience, no matter how grandiose of its opinion of itself''. That could even go for someone like Living Tribunal, since he is also a sentient being and is especially said, ''no matter how grandiose''.

You provided some good scans and they are also reasonable and it seems, they are made with connections. I could actually agree with you with all of these. Probably the best way is to go study these myself and see, but I won't.
I won't go anymore, even if scans provided and saying he is certainly right and so on..., but it seems you did good.

Originally posted by Xplosive

If that is true, but still, tell, how many did that in Marvel Universe ever? Maybe only handful. This still goes among top feats in MU.

The power that connected all of the realities in the 1st place was the Phoenix Forces. That in itself is a greater feat than shaking Otherworld and because of the connection the Phoenix made triggering a domino effect.

What if Phoenix Forcibly undid its work?

The damage caused was great, but as the damage caused wasnt directly done by the Chaos Wave itself it doesnt count. I used my avalanche example for a reason. I may be able to destablize a mound of snow and cause a town destroying avalanche with my voice, but does that mean my voice is directly responsible for destroying the town? ❌

Could i have gone to the buildings and shouted them down directly with my voice or killed people by shouting at them? ❌

The point is clear.

The Chaos Wave triggered the destruction it never directly caused it. It is overrated.

Either way, the feat is not Wandas, it was a freak accident.

Originally posted by Xplosive

And what about when it says that wave power was beyond comphrehnsion of any sentience, no matter how grandiose of its opinion of itself''. That could even go for someone like Living Tribunal, since he is also a sentient being and is especially said, ''no matter how grandiose''.

Once again you have misinterpreted. Read things more carefully.

http://img15.imageshack.us/f/uncannyxmen462p0708.jpg/

The scan clearly talks about how important the walls between dimensions are and how they keep order in reality, it then says to imagine if they were stripped away, there would be no coherence just a primal chaos. The statement is not saying that the wave is beyond the comprehension of any sentience it is referring to the resultant destruction. The absence of having dimensional walls. THAT is the primal chaos that is beyond the understanding of any sentience.

Originally posted by Xplosive

You provided some good scans and they are also reasonable and it seems, they are made with connections. I could actually agree with you with all of these. Probably the best way is to go study these myself and see, but I won't.
I won't go anymore, even if scans provided and saying he is certainly right and so on..., but it seems you did good.

Yes, the best thing is to read all of the issues and dont just go by scans posted by Mr Master coupled with his biased take on things.

Wandas biggest feat is the creation of the HOM reality. Warping reality in the universe doesnt place Wanda above cosmic cubes or even Eternity himself who can and has warped the entirety of his dimension and does so flawlessly without the need for Professor Xavier 😂

Wanda is very powerful, but she is not beyond universal and is certainly not beyond the likes of the most powerful universal forces and artifacts(Eternity/Infinity, the IG and Cosmic Cubes)

Wandas actions triggered the Chaos Wave, it was an accident she knew nothing about, therefore all it did is not a feat of hers.

The Chaos Wave triggered destruction across existence. It did nothing directly but collide with and damage Otherworld which had a domino effect and damaged other realities due to the Phoenix Force bonding Otherworld to all realities in existence.

Jean Grey would stomp Wanda 😉

Aha, I understand.

Is there anything new about PF?
I don't know what new you have rea about it, but in this moment, in which place you put FP in MU? Don't count TOAA. Nor Pre-R Beyonder or Pre-R MM since they were retconned. And also not Thanos with THOTI, since he was too much.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Aha, I understand.

Is there anything new about PF?
I don't know what new you have rea about it, but in this moment, in which place you put FP in MU? Don't count TOAA. Nor Pre-R Beyonder or Pre-R MM since they were retconned. And also not Thanos with THOTI, since he was too much.

The Phoenix Force is its latest bio which came out about 3 months ago is now stated to be a multiversal force. It is therefore beyond any universal power or artifact, all of the abstracts, the IG, the Cosmic Cubes, the StarBrand, everything that stems from a universe.

We knew this anyway because before the latest bio we had many on panel statements from abstracts like Death, cosmics like Kubik, Roma and the Watcher and geniuses like Reed Richards calling the Phoenix Force the Big Bang from which all reality derives and that without it there would be a void, no universe at all.

Im glad the latest bio has confirmed its multiversal status because if it was just universal how could the White Phoenix manipulate all the atoms of 616 universe and destroy not mere universe but entire timelines if she only had a universal power source? 🙂

Phoenix is underrated because people assume the firebird on panel means the full Phoenix Force is in the issue when all the firebird is is a representation of the actual sentience of the Force instead of the Force acting through a host who is in control and can access the Forces power. If the Force is amongst other things the Big Bang which all of reality derives from, then how can a little firebird be the full force if the firebird is on panel WITHIN the universe. If the full force was to withdraw all of its power and manifest in its entirety then as Death and the Watcher said there would be a void, because the Phoenix Force is the creation energies that make up all that is. Thats the difference between the Phoenix Force and Eternity. The Force is the actual creation energies that reality and concepts such as space, time, love, hate, order and chaos derive from. Those concepts arent power in themselves, they are given meaning by the Big Bang and tap into its power. So Eternity is the concept of time and represents all that is along the timeline without actually physically being it. Whereas Phoenix is literally the living creation energies of all reality.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force is its latest bio which came out about 3 months ago is now stated to be a multiversal force. It is therefore beyond any universal power or artifact, all of the abstracts, the IG, the Cosmic Cubes, the StarBrand, everything that stems from a universe.

We knew this anyway because before the latest bio we had many on panel statements from abstracts like Death, cosmics like Kubik, Roma and the Watcher and geniuses like Reed Richards calling the Phoenix Force the Big Bang from which all reality derives and that without it there would be a void, no universe at all.

Im glad the latest bio has confirmed its multiversal status because if it was just universal how could the White Phoenix manipulate all the atoms of 616 universe and destroy not mere universe but entire timelines if she only had a universal power source? 🙂

Phoenix is underrated because people assume the firebird on panel means the full Phoenix Force is in the issue when all the firebird is is a representation of the actual sentience of the Force instead of the Force acting through a host who is in control and can access the Forces power. If the Force is amongst other things the Big Bang which all of reality derives from, then how can a little firebird be the full force if the firebird is on panel WITHIN the universe. If the full force was to withdraw all of its power and manifest in its entirety then as Death and the Watcher said there would be a void, because the Phoenix Force is the creation energies that make up all that is. Thats the difference between the Phoenix Force and Eternity. The Force is the actual creation energies that reality and concepts such as space, time, love, hate, order and chaos derive from. Those concepts arent power in themselves, they are given meaning by the Big Bang and tap into its power. So Eternity is the concept of time and represents all that is along the timeline without actually physically being it. Whereas Phoenix is literally the living creation energies of all reality.

Aha, ok.
So, PF it seems is then actually beyond everyone in MU, except Living Tribunal, since is also said on panels and in BIO he is only second to TOAA.

To put an end to this, Storm is the most powerful mutant.

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
To put an end to this, Storm is the most powerful mutant.

I agree.

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
To put an end to this, Storm is the most powerful mutant.

Of course you do. 😄

Um, wheres the option for Wolverine?

Originally posted by Placidity
Um, wheres the option for Wolverine?

You mean Squirrel Girl.

lol

Not including Phoenix Avatar the top 5 Mutants would be:

HoM Wanda
Marquis of Death
Mad Jim Jaspers
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock

While the topic of the Phoenix Force is going on I stumbled on a little fun fact about Nate Grey. In AoA The Phoenix Force is directly tied in to the mysterious mutant known as Alpha. Instead of the Phoenix Force looking for hosts, its hereditarily passed down to the decedents of Alpha. AoA Jean, and Nate Grey are the last known decedents. I would love to see Nate Grey would interact with Rachel Summers or even Hope Summers.

Originally posted by "Id"
Not including Phoenix Avatar the top 5 Mutants would be:

HoM Wanda
Marquis of Death
Mad Jim Jaspers
Franklin Richards
Jamie Braddock

While the topic of the Phoenix Force is going on I stumbled on a little fun fact about Nate Grey. In AoA The Phoenix Force is directly tied in to the mysterious mutant known as Alpha. Instead of the Phoenix Force looking for hosts, its hereditarily passed down to the decedents of Alpha. AoA Jean, and Nate Grey are the last known decedents. I would love to see Nate Grey would interact with Rachel Summers or even Hope Summers.

Thats intresting about Nate.. Cant wait for the next big-Phoenix story-line where they bring back Jean.