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-The only reason there isn't huge damage on the ground is that Dante caught it so the damage was reduced.
-Wasn't the fastest in the world but the camera made it look slower. Still, its was around 100m/s. A large chunk of rock at that speed isn't easy to stop.
-He wasnt anything above average. He cowers when his magic doesn't work in the face of Nero and in the novel its said that when he got demon powers, instead of making him physically stronger [like Credo or Agnus] he puts that power into his magic. He was only strong when he was using Sparda.
The thing is, with Gouki being in the game that he is, it's incredibly hard to truly gauge all of his abilities. Yes, we are given glimpse and feats that we know of, which have been stated in this thread.
However "speed" is one that is incredibly hard to gauge, especially for any SF character at that. The only character we've been shown gauging in speed was Ryu who was stated officially to be able to dodge bullets with ease, so it wouldn't be overrating that Gouki would at least be of similar speed. However I get the feeling and I wouldn't be "overestimating" his abilities either that most likely he's much, much faster then Ryu, especially the fact that he's holding back his potential.
You also have to consider his Asura Warp which would actually move alot faster then the "running or dodging" capability shown by any SF character. Again this ability I would feel wouldn't be far from the warping capabilities shown from other SF characters like Dictator or Sim's. Although I don't believe it's a true teleport like in case of Dictator to where that would be basically instant, Gouki's Asura Warp would greatly compensate for speed.
Gouki's durability is also hard to gauge, however being able to train in deep ocean waters would equate to a level of durability that has to be amazing. Remember that his durability would greatly exceed the pressures being applied to him in the water if he's capable of moving at such speed, and not only that, but only training at that.
When he also sank the island in Alpha 2 he didn't even utilize a special technique, but simply slamming his fist to the ground which caused the entire island to sink. This is where I start to see some inconsistencies for Gouki, because now I ask, just how powerful is he? I mean, he utilized a special technique in SFIII which only split the mountain into 4 pieces, however was able to sink an entire island without even using a special attack. Yes, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that's something I wanted to point out.
The other main part I want to emphasize as well is that when Gouki did all of these, the indication points to the fact that he wasn't even going 100% full potential (Gouki when at full potential usually signifies it with an incredible aura that is visibly shown and is also significantly larger then his regular aura). Which would suggest that his full potential is still lying in wait to truly see.
Because the fact is, whenever he's going "full potential" we are never witness to those fights, so therefore at this point I would believe that he would be more then a match for Dante.
However the most significant problem I have with this is that Gouki as a character does not have a very detail reference of his feats or abilities while in contrast Dante does, so it's easy to give a detail list of Dante's abilities and even in some cases try to do educated guesses and estimates of his abilities. Gouki on the other hand does display feats, however those feats were done in times in which Gouki isn't showing or indicating that he's utilizing full potential (Again, the sinking of the island and his splitting of the mountain shows no indication of him in 100% full potential mode).
In my eyes, there is alot to factor in, and honestly, Dante would not have it easy, up against arguably the most powerful character in the SF:Universe say for Ingrid (No way is Gouki in my mind stronger then Ingrid whom is a Goddess who can skip across the clouds, can travel through time and her reference of being hit by a SF character is equivalent to being tickled and we all know how powerful some of the SF characters can hit too!).
I don't lean to one or the other, although obviously I know more about the SF characters, and I don't have full knowledge of Dante's feats besides what I see in the videos posted here and few statements of what people say here. To me, I'm sitting at the neutral standpoint.
^Big ****in' whoop. Now show us something that actually has some relevence to why you think Dante woud win this, because a non-canon crossover game where characters' actual abilities in their respective series compared to one-another play literally no part to any aspect of the game, is not a viable resource.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos rips Dante's lungs out through his nose. 😐 Dante is not putting up a fight against him. Or Akuma, who can sink an island.
A half-devil who can move faster than Hermes, bust a giant monolith with special gauntlets, slash his sword at a blur, wield a motorcycle like a melee weapon, catch a bullet with his teeth, survive mortal wounds and live, grant himself invincible armor briefly, and slow down time will give Kratos a fight.
You really think the Sisters of Fate, Perseus, and Scorpious are above what Dante can do?
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaYou know it's weird, because not a single thing you mentioned implies Dante could even hurt Kratos.
A half-devil who can move faster than Hermes, bust a giant monolith with special gauntlets, slash his sword at a blur, wield a motorcycle like a melee weapon, catch a bullet with his teeth, survive mortal wounds and live, grant himself invincible armor briefly, and slow down time will give Kratos a fight.You really think the Sisters of Fate, Perseus, and Scorpious are above what Dante can do?
Wanna know what all of those people have in common? Kratos beat them. 😐 I think Zeus is far above what Dante can "do."
Originally posted by BloodRain
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-The only reason there isn't huge damage on the ground is that Dante caught it so the damage was reduced.
Except we already know what kind of damage Saviour can do with single punches on the ground with no blockage.
Look to the actual fights with him, when he punches the ground it creates a bit of rubble around his fist signifying the kind of damage he would be doing to the environment canonically. Like other sorts of cinematic attacks in actual gameplay, the actual damage 'fades' in a bit of time. That is the lone 'gameplay element' argument you could make in this case; the damage disappears whereas we know in a cutscene it would stay.
Seriously by feats, Kratos punches harder than Savior does, let alone Gouki.
Zeus was stabbed about half a dozen times by the Blade of Olympus in GoWII and the worst that happened to him was that, like Virgil, he spent barely a minute in any visible agony.
This barring that neither Rebellion or Yamato are likely anywhere close to the power of the Blade of Olympus, much less Hope from Pandora's Box in GoWIII (and by extension, GoWI), with which Kratos did to Zeus what the BoO failed to (and with his bare hands no less).
But I digress. As I said previously, Akuma's best destructive feats are arguably more than can be said for an unarmed Dante, and even with his main weapons, I wouldn't be surprised if at least Shin Akuma would put up a fight against a DT Dante.
Nah not probably. Definitely. Dante and Vergil get worn out when doing damage to each other. This happens because they are equals and their regen can only hold up so long against their own strength levels.
Dante fainted after getting stabbed by Vergil twice and did not get up until an indefinite time later as the screen blacked out. And Vergil (as Neo Angelo) was completely bested and had nothing left after Dante beat him the third time in DMC.
Needless to say Kratos is a lot stronger than either of them. (lol he lifts up an entire level). Zeus shrugs off being gutted by the BoO in God of War 2 while Kratos then begins to shave into his innards moving the blade around in him.
Even a fully charged BoO thrust in God of War 3, followed by Gaia's explosive death while he was inside of her, couldn't kill Zeus. Seeing as his Spectre could go back inside his body with no ill effects at all.
Kinda sucks that this thread turned back to GoW though. This is Akuma's fight.