Star Wars vs. Wanted & Push

Originally posted by KingD19
Don't try and use that speed feat here RJ. You and everybody knows that they only went that fast running away from the droidekas, they were never shown using that speed in combat....if they had, all those Jedi wouldn't have been killed during Order 66 would they?

Because really, what's to keep a Jedi from doing it whenever they want?

Anakin never used Force Choke in battle, he only used it on Padme. Besides, even if he could use it in battle, he couldn't focus enough with four people shooting at him, Wesley and Fox moving so fast he couldn't touch them, and Nick/Victor blasting them and tossing them around. On top of that, the TK shields may stand up to a saber strike.

So what if Anakin never used it in battle? Is there some mystic clause that says "Hey, force choke, for some reason, stops working the moment a Jedi starts fighting?"

Wesley and Fox moving how fast? What version of Wanted did you watch?

MAY block it, doubtful though.

Has a Jedi ever Force pulled a blaster from anybody in all 6 of the movies? That's a real question, I can't remember.

And while the Jedi have precog and lightsabers, how can they react to the Mover's level of TK, which was pretty damn amazing.

Shit, just watched a youtube clip from Push, I forgot how powerful they were haermm

If they go toe to toe, the Jedi likely are killed.

Shaddap.

there's a link in the OP. probably should have made it an embedded vid so the link didn't get overlooked.

TK gun battle= UBERNESS.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Bending a bullet would DEFINITELY not matter to a Jedi as they are not going to use the battle precog to move their saber to the location that a straight shot will be but they will move it to the location the curved bullet will be (which isn't very far off, at all, as I showed in another thread with a diagram.)

Actually it could matter. This is because the Jedi will need to be much faster to deflect projectiles coming from different directions (e.g left and right at the same time = good game), rather than from straight on. The blade would need to travel a further distance to deflect each bullet as they come. Now, with the rate of fire and all that other stuff you've pointed out, bullet bending makes it that much harder for them.

As for the fight, I think Wanted/Push take it quite handily. The Jedi simply cannot deal with deflecting gunfire (which they can't do adequately anyway), and with telekinetics (that match or are likely superior to them) at the same time.

Edit: Correction for saying "deflecting". The bullets would just melt, not reflect. This means if the Jedi don't get gunned down, they'll get pinned down.

Also a thought just occurred to me. Push/Wanted would effectively function as a much more effective version of the Star Wars "Destroyers". Destroyers pretty much have two components - energy bolts and shields. We have seen that the movers can setup shields that can stand up to gun fire, and the Wanted duo provides the fire power. And as we know Jedi retreat when confronted with Destroyers =] Just another thing I thought up, don't take it too seriously =p

Originally posted by Placidity
Actually it could matter. This is because the Jedi will need to be much faster to deflect projectiles coming from different directions (e.g left and right at the same time = good game), rather than from straight on. The blade would need to travel a further distance to deflect each bullet as they come. Now, with the rate of fire and all that other stuff you've pointed out, bullet bending makes it that much harder for them.

In wanted, Wesley had to hit a target by bending around a person.

The target got hit at about the same place as when he was firing straight on.

This is why I say that there will be little difference to the Jedi. At best, it'd be a 2-4 inch difference.

Besides, the Jedi will not move to where the bullet will be, in a linear motion, but where the bullet will be, period, because that's how it works for them.

And, about the shields:

Can they stand up to a saber blow? Wouldn't the swipe of a saber blow have more kinetic energy than a bullet?

Originally posted by dadudemon

And, about the shields:

Can they stand up to a saber blow? Wouldn't the swipe of a saber blow have more kinetic energy than a bullet?

I wouldn't definitely not think so.

Kinetic energy as in (1/2)mv^2...?

Bullet wins hands down. And they hold up to multiple shots.

As you can see here, their telekinesis is superior:

YouTube video

YouTube video

Star wars!

Push!

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Star wars!

Originally posted by Placidity
I wouldn't definitely not think so.

Kinetic energy as in (1/2)mv^2...?

Bullet wins hands down. And they hold up to multiple shots.

As you can see here, their telekinesis is superior:

YouTube video

YouTube video

I don't remember the details but it had something to do with how small the mass of the bullet was and it just didn't have the kinetic energy to knock it off, but a slight push of the hand had more kinetic energy.

I could have it slightly wrong because the bullet passes all the way though? I don't remember what happened in that episode.

Anyway, if I have time, I'll look through this article and see if I can calculate something:

http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/GTA/motions_and_impacts2.htm

I've gotta get back to work, though.

Edit - No need: i watched the second vid and they are punching eachother's shields. No way a saber swing is as strong as a punch. So that closes that book. Also, it looks like their TK is much more powerful than the Jedi's. It's just 'faster' as well.

The wanted character really don't add that much... But the push characters are pretty uber. The Wanted/Puch combo win a majority.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That was a Vader feat.

their the same person 😐

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
their the same person 😐

Originally posted by ares834
The wanted character really don't add that much... But the push characters are pretty uber. The Wanted/Puch combo win a majority.

If that were the case, i wouldn't have added Fox and Wesley. The reason i did add them is so that they could work in tandem with the Movers from 'Push'. Alone, the Movers would get killed because they would be regulated to either use TK gunfire (which travels in a straight line), and which the Jedi could just block and wait for an opening, or use TK flinging which the Jedi could just counter with Force-TK. In combination though, the Movers can do what they do best... move, and the Shooters can... shoot. Fox and Wesley are integral in getting the victory.

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
their the same person 😐

Not really.

Star Wars stories make it quite clear that a person is 'reborn' as a new person when they fall to the dark side. They even go as far as to take a different name.

Jacen Solo became Darth Cadeus.

Anaking Skywalker because Darth Vader.

Count Dooku became Darth Tyranus.

And so forth.

Because of this, in versus discussion with Star Wars, many people make a disctinction one which version of a character will be used. Many of the powers or "first options" used by the characters will be different, sometimes, significantly.

Why am I telling you all of this? I dunno. You probably know this more than I do. 😐

Originally posted by marwash22
not really. There's a reason i said Anakin and not Vader.

yes really. 😐

their the same person, with a different outlook on things. its not as if anakin received some secret training in the middle of RotS that taught him different powers... lol. he could do everything in the end of RotS that he could do in the beginning, if he'd wanted to.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not really.

Star Wars stories make it quite clear that a person is 'reborn' as a new person when they fall to the dark side. They even go as far as to take a different name.

Jacen Solo became Darth Cadeus.

Anaking Skywalker because Darth Vader.

Count Dooku became Darth Tyranus.

And so forth.

Because of this, in versus discussion with Star Wars, many people make a disctinction one which version of a character will be used. Many of the powers or "first options" used by the characters will be different, sometimes, significantly.

Why am I telling you all of this? I dunno. You probably know this more than I do. 😐

from a philosophical/symbolic point of view yes. but not from a physical perspective. when someone goes to the dark side they dont just automatically know how to use lightning. they have the same force knowledge they had before, they just apply it differently. the only difference between someones light side and dark side is a frame of mind...

edit- i dunno if i know more than you 😂 i havent even read lotf or njo

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
from a philosophical point of view yes. but not from a physical perspective. when someone goes to the dark side they dont just automatically know how to use lightning. they have the same force knowledge they had before, they just apply it differently. the only difference between someones light side and dark side is a frame of mind...

Anakin Skywalker would not kill all of the Jedi and Younglings at the Jedi temple.

Darth Vader would.

They are really two different people with very little exception.

Darth Vader was cold and ruthless.

Anakin Skywalker was inquisitive, emotional, and compassionate (cept when you mess with his mo)

Edit - Show me an example of Anakin doing force crush, and I'll believe you. (in other words, sometime before he becomes vader.)

can i include eu? 😛

edit- im not trying to argue that anakin can use force crush in this thread, btw

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
yes really. 😐

their the same person, with a different outlook on things. its not as if anakin received some secret training in the middle of RotS that taught him different powers... lol. he could do everything in the end of RotS that he could do in the beginning, if he'd wanted to.

I'm not claiming they're two separate physical beings, but they are different as fighters. If i had said this is Vader, from "RotS"... the only onscreen feat you'd be able to use is the very last scene in the movie. Anakin hardly ever used force choke/crush (i can't distinctly remember him using it at all)... that's pretty much Vader's go to move and it's the first thing he does when he awakens as that persona.