Originally posted by srankmissingninOck is also actively targeting for the grab of wolverine....Someone who's slower than the one he is usually targets and successfully grabs.
There are certain obvious difference between someone trying to avoid Doc Ocks arms to get into melee and someone actively targeting them to take them out of the equation...
The arms can be cut but that doesn't render them useless to ock as he can control whatevers still attached to him.
Originally posted by King Castle
well first off twisting his wrist would allow to slice the tentacles..
also the reinforced bones pressing against doc ock's tentacles would break b4 logan's bones..their are various instances of these tactics working..
although logan does not have SS like spidey he does have lvl 7 fighting skills and hypersenses that work nearly as well as spidey.. as that was its intend when written by claremont. logan's hyper reflexes also contribute to why he would have a fair shot at slicing Doc ock's arms..
also logan has had past experience with similar guy's like doc ock but better.. with actual physical enhancements from omega red and epsilon red.
Even if he could twist his wrists (which he wouldn't be able to do anyway )Wolverines claws aren't lasers that slice through things with no pressure neccesary. Omega red has given wolverine a hard time with half the number of tentacles that ock brings to the fight.
if ock could get a precise grab on logan's wrist and keep the distance from the rest of his tentacles then yes, logan would have a hard time cutting them.
also your applied pressure crap is wrong.. he doesnt have to apply pressure to slice through doc's arms.. that is the whole point of adamantium and unlike omega red doc;s arms arent carbonadium which contributes with the difficulties with omega red a problem he wont have with doc ock.. plus omega is a supersoldier mutant with enhancements and lvl 6 or 7 fighting.. omega red would think and react far above doc ock,, plus wolverines reflex reaction and hand movement is far above spiderman's it would be near impossible to grab them when he is slashing.
Originally posted by King CastleThe adamantium is unbreakable but the claws cut deeper when he SWINGS his arm vs twisting his wrist. If no pressure was neccesary then he cut things with the back of his claws. Ock has been fighting Superhumans since he came onto the scene. omega red experience is against humans mostly.
if ock could get a precise grab on logan's wrist and keep the distance from the rest of his tentacles then yes, logan would have a hard time cutting them.also your applied pressure crap is wrong.. he doesnt have to apply pressure to slice through doc's arms.. that is the whole point of adamantium and unlike omega red doc;s arms arent carbonadium which contributes with the difficulties with omega red a problem he wont have with doc ock.. plus omega is a supersoldier mutant with enhancements and lvl 6 or 7 fighting.. omega red would think and react far above doc ock,, plus wolverines reflex reaction and hand movement is far above spiderman's it would be near impossible to grab them when he is slashing.
pretty sure omega red beat spidey easily and left him alone b/c he wasnt hired to kill him or anyone else in the bank.. took less then 3 panels iirc.. maybe it was DD..
that back of his claws arent razor sharp the front part are and its bn stated that he can easily slice through stuff with a mere flick of his wrist or accidental movement.. cyclops stated it as he grabbed his wrist and logan sliced a tangling cable while facing xavier.
also omega red is a team wrecker he constantly fights well above doc ock's weight class..
either way i am done here had enough of a headache
Originally posted by The MISTER
Ock is also actively targeting for the grab of wolverine....Someone who's slower than the one he is usually targets and successfully grabs.The arms can be cut but that doesn't render them useless to ock as he can control whatevers still attached to him.
Wolverine has crazy fast combat speed, particularly in his arms. Sure, he might be a slower than Spider-man on the whole, but when his arms go blend-o-matic I'd give Wolverine a notable edge in combat speed.
Originally posted by King CastleDon't get a headache cause your arguments are really good. 😮💨
pretty sure omega red beat spidey easily and left him alone b/c he wasnt hired to kill him or anyone else in the bank.. took less then 3 panels iirc.. maybe it was DD..that back of his claws arent razor sharp the front part are and its bn stated that he can easily slice through stuff with a mere flick of his wrist or accidental movement.. cyclops stated it as he grabbed his wrist and logan sliced a tangling cable while facing xavier.
also omega red is a team wrecker he constantly fights well above doc ock's weight class..
either way i am done here had enough of a headache
Kraven. Could do a few good rounds with Logan,but as in most cases. Logans over hyped HF will carry him thru it.(depending on what level its being portrayed at
aka. God can't kill him mode)
Doc O fighting smart should be capable of putting him down,if not out.
Doc usinging tactics might lose a couple of arms,but the other 2 get ahold of him and should be abel to rip him up bad enough to knock him down long enough for a pin.
Same could go for the others factoring in their Super ish Speed,and Strenght.
But like as been said.
It all depends on what level Wolvies Fan Boy Aura is at.
But then again. I aint a big fan of the little canknuck so I like to rate him as an over-rated little waste.
I can't see Kraven beating Wolverine. I mean, he is essentially Wolverine-lite with an exotic collection of primitive weaponry in place of a healing factor... which isn't exactly a fair trade. Kraven vs Wolverine would only be a good fight if Wolverine's healing was negated, and then it would be Wolverine's superior skill vs Kraven's superior weaponry, which could be good.
Here we go, man you are cranky... no hi C-Master?! lol
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except for all his feats have been matched by top end streets. Sure, maybe not as often, but that hardly matters 9/10 streets don't have nearly as many monthly appearances as Spider-man... but that doesn't change the fact that even with significantly less panel time Daredevil/Ironfist/Shang-chi/Batman have all replicated or matched with an equally impressive feat virtually everyone of Spider-man's high end speed feats. Batman has more skill feats that pretty much any other comic character, but that doesn't over shadow the fact that other characters have feats that are just as - and in some cases - more impressive.
They have not done all of Spiderman's best feats, some of his casual feats sure. To say they are all equally the same is just ridiculous. His absolute highest feats? actual bullet dodging, flanking teams alone including some of the aforementioned characters inside of the teams, blitzing characters in a higher tier set? He always fights differently against teams and heavy hitters than against lower level characters, speed kills.
Originally posted by srankmissingninMaybe because he often does it while cracking jokes and often carrying someone, also that he holds back.
... and your assertion that they do it with more effort is complete bs. There is no way to accurately judge that, you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIf they aren't flying into another state or something similar they rolled with it including Wolverine, just like it is "simply accepted Spiderman is faster." I guess Savage Hulk just holds back.
Taking hits from bricks is a different matter entirely. It's a pretty widely excepted and established fact that this is accomplished by "rolling" with glancing blows, they aren't eating full on class 100 shots. Pick a more accurate comparison.
I'll put it this way, Superman has comparable feats to the Flash, but the Flash is faster, and not holding back is another story, but in a casual setting they'd seem more peers.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Where are these panels where Spider-man is shown to be faster than other skilled streets? There is about half a dozen New Avengers panels of Iron Fist, Spider-man and Wolverine where Iron Fist and Spider-man are stationary in the action while Wolverine's arms are a blur and there is about a dozen claw lines all over the panel, like he is doing the MvC2 Berserker Barrage.
All characters blur, I can make my arm blur, come now.
Originally posted by srankmissingninDude speed is relative to strength (unless a character has an exotic power that doesn't rely on it like Quicksilver) the stronger a muscle is the faster it moves, if I put the same amount of force on a 200lb cart that I did on a 50 lb cart, which would move faster. 500 Horsepower on a semitrailer or a motorcycle, which would move faster?? Common sense right.
Spider-man holds back his strength so he doesn't kill people... I don't think there has ever been an indication that he holds back his speed. Why would he do that? There is no logical or practical reason for doing it, his speed is only ever an advantage there are no possible negative repercussions. Pulling his punches isn't prove that he puts on speed dampeners. That is absurd.
Considering Spiderman fights quite differently anyways than most conventional fighters (by launching himself) this comes into play more as a more powerful launch is a faster an further one.
Obviously if he is in the air he cannot change his direction so he has to be careful the amount of force he launches himself at someone. Speed kills my friend.
You're crazy man. 😆 Love ya bro.
Originally posted by Juk3nUm.. ok? 😕 So then Iron Fist's reflexes are much better than Logan's because he has deflected several bullets with his fist? And Hulk is as fast as Spider-man because he has also tagged speedsters before? And all because feats speak for themselvs? Feat war is great but it's not enough if one character has some equelly impressive feats but still isnt shown to be as fast in their encounters. Example: Deadpool has few speed feats that are more impressive than some of Spider-man's feats and easilly AS impressive as all Wolverine's feats, yet he wasnt shown to be as fast as Spider-man and was surprised by his speed. See what I mean?
so we ignore feats that say Logans damn close because what? Becuase you don't think it should be that way..well, feats say otherwise. What else do we base these things off of? Feats put Logan, High end Daredevil, Highend Cap, average Elektra and Average Ironfist a fraction below Spiderman..enough to make his 'advantage' negligable. It doesn't matter if it's "crazy" and it doesn't matter if it's "not the way it should be"Know why?
Because it's the way it is. Feats speak for themsleves, disagree as much as you like, arguing with the feats themselves is ..well..that way madness lay. 😬
They especially don't have better reflexes. Some say speed is 15x (Reed) or 45x Parker himself. Considering his best feats the latter isn't that unbelievable. Peak and enhanced human isn't 15 to 45x faster. That's very superhuman. Flash may shown a "peer" to Superman, but he makes his living off of speed feats. So do Parker.
Nice Pic ankur, a sniper rifle too. Don't remember that one off hand.
Originally posted by SamZEDLogans deflected with his claws also, and yeah sure, id put Ironfist and Logan asreletive peers in Reaction time actually..wouldn't you? I mean after all THE FEATS SAY SO. What exactly are you confused about?
Um.. ok? 😕 So then Iron Fist's reflexes are much better than Logan's because he has deflected several bullets with his fist?
Originally posted by Juk3nI only recall him deflect a dart, IF deflected like 3 bullets with a wave of his hand and right back at the one who shot him. So IFs reflexes feats are more impressive than Logan's. So are Elektra's. But do I think their reflexes are beter than Logan's? No I dont, I think they're very close because I judge by both feats and their encounters. The same way I can tell Spider-man is faster than Logan or Deadpool. Also Pete does have speed and reflexes feats Logan never replicated.
Logans deflected with his claws also, and yeah sure, id put Ironfist and Logan asreletive peers in Reaction time actually..wouldn't you? I mean after all THE FEATS SAY SO. What exactly are you confused about?
