Feminist whining about the wage gap.

It's a lie.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba392

The Good News.
When women behave in the workplace as men do, the wage gap between them is small. June O'Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that among people ages 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98 percent of men's. Women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points. Claims of unequal pay almost always involve comparing apples and oranges.

Lifestyle Choices
Women make different choices, and those choices affect how they work. Women often place more importance on their relationships - caring for children, parents, spouses, etc. - than on their careers. A study by the Center for Policy Alternatives and Lifetime television found that 71 percent of women prefer jobs with more flexibility and benefits than jobs with higher wages, and nearly 85 percent of women offered flexible work arrangements by their employers have taken advantage of this opportunity.

its a lie, though the sources you use demonstrate the wage gap...

also, different fields have different gaps. Social work, oddly enough, has ~ $9000 a year salary gap.

EDIT: just looking at the stats there... this is VERY misleading...

Originally posted by inimalist
its a lie, though the sources you use demonstrate the wage gap...

also, different fields have different gaps. Social work, oddly enough, has ~ $9000 a year salary gap.

EDIT: just looking at the stats there... this is VERY misleading...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Could you explain what you mean

Originally posted by inimalist
its a lie, though the sources you use demonstrate the wage gap...

even the source Zeal uses claims that there are, in some instances, up to a 10% differenace in wages between men and women. So, a woman makes 50k, man makes 55k. That isn't trivial. Even at 2%, the difference between 50 and 51k a year isn't insignificant, though this source makes it seem like there is no reason why someone should be upset that they make an arbitrary thousand dollars less than someone of the other gender

Originally posted by inimalist
also, different fields have different gaps. Social work, oddly enough, has ~ $9000 a year salary gap.

the gender gap is different in different fields. Social work, which one would think would be a very egalitarian field, still has a huge wage gap, when controlling for other factors

Originally posted by inimalist
EDIT: just looking at the stats there... this is VERY misleading...

well, what immediatly jumps out is this:

among people ages 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98 percent of men's

so, among young (therefore likely low wage and enterance level positions) people, there is only a small difference, so long as the woman has not had a child.

unfortunatly, feminists have rarely complained about entry level jobs, which I wouldn't find it hard to believe have always been more equal than higher pay jobs. The real gaps are seen when you look at how experience mediates pay, or how education mediates pay. An experienced male CEO will almost assuredly be making more than a woman in the same position.

after looking through the link, I'd say I'd agree with their premise, that gender pay inequity isn't as bad as some make it seem, but I don't agree with the premise of the thread, the wage gap is neither a lie or whining.

The article uses the 76 cents to a male dollar stat, saying it doesn't account for choices made by females. Sure, this is true, but it is also true that, when controlling for choice, wages are still not equal. Even if it is something like 95 cents to a male dollar, that is still unreasonable and, imho, wrong, if less oppressive than it was 50 years ago.

Thank you for clearing that up for me, I do agree. I was unsure whether you called the wage gap a lie, or the article.

i just saw a early morning talk show yesterday talking about women in the work force and graduating college and them being the majority now...

how can any one whine about equality of pay or job with these new findings..

here is another news report about women retaining their jobs over men.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2009/09/04/dcl.april.nagel.intvw.cnn.html

Originally posted by King Castle
i just saw a early morning talk show yesterday talking about women in the work force and graduating college and them being the majority now...

how can any one whine about equality of pay or job with these new findings..

here is another news report about women retaining their jobs over men.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2009/09/04/dcl.april.nagel.intvw.cnn.html

That seems nonsensical. Graduating from college and receiving an unfair wage are two different things.

Originally posted by King Castle
i just saw a early morning talk show yesterday talking about women in the work force and graduating college and them being the majority now...

how can any one whine about equality of pay or job with these new findings..

here is another news report about women retaining their jobs over men.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2009/09/04/dcl.april.nagel.intvw.cnn.html

These are non-sequitors. If anything the increasing percentage of women with a college education makes the wage gap stranger.

Originally posted by King Castle
i just saw a early morning talk show yesterday talking about women in the work force and graduating college and them being the majority now...

how can any one whine about equality of pay or job with these new findings..

here is another news report about women retaining their jobs over men.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2009/09/04/dcl.april.nagel.intvw.cnn.html

there are issues from a male perspective as well

for instance, I was doing a presentation in a class last term and got into a debate with a feminist about "equal time" in a classroom for boys and girls.

My point was that women now were the majority in all college fields expect for computers and maths, and that there are probably biological (testosterone, aggression, delayed maturation) and social (boys pushed to be competitive, into physical activities and sports) reasons that boys might demand more attention in classes, and that education might have an "anti-male" bias.

She told me to read a book and that enrollment had nothing to do with it.

i think feminist are the problem in itself.. its like constantly screaming wolf when there is nothing really there that makes it hard to take them serious half the time.

im a feminist

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
These are non-sequitors. If anything the increasing percentage of women with a college education makes the wage gap stranger.

Originally posted by inimalist
im a feminist

Originally posted by inimalist
im a feminist

I'm a feminist

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Originally posted by King Castle
but instead of it being sexist could it not simply be the company wanting to save money and offering a certain wage which they accept?

Lowering wages for everyone would save more money.

Originally posted by King Castle
kay, sorry. let me rephrase it.. nazi feminist.

indeed 🙂

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm a feminist

YouTube video

i lol'd for real

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Lowering wages for everyone would save more money.

Originally posted by King Castle
seriously.. maybe they dont no how to negotiate and haggle for a better wage.. i mean after all they do buy $500.oo to 5k bags if that is any indication.curlers

The more likely explanation is that they are offered less money because at equal pay the employer would likely prefer the man, perhaps not even unreasonably, women have the potential of costing a company more than men.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The more likely explanation is that they are offered less money because at equal pay the employer would likely prefer the man, perhaps not even unreasonably, women have the potential of costing a company more than men.