Originally posted by Bardock42Makes sense, and I suppose I wouldn't fault a business for not wanting to hire a woman who they knew was going to be going on maternity leave in the near future. To me, women getting paid less is wrong when its a matter of sexism, but there are some legitimate reasons a woman might get paid less than a man for the same job.
Yes, mostly.
It isn't that simple - employers will give somewhat lower wages to women anticipating that at some point, perhaps in the future, she may have a child, not on a sure knowledge that she will.
This is the reason why many successful high up women tend not to have children at all, and further why they all act worse then men.
I would much prefer a male boss than a female one, however the reasons for women being b!tches at work has to do with them trying to mimic men, in order to either keep their post, progress higher or get the deserved wage.
Though, it must be noted, that those who are indeed high up top, such as Diana Oppenheimer for example, are not only ridiculously successful, but extremely well paid.
Originally posted by shiv
To literally have equality and equivalent pay in the workplace, governments would have to pass legislation requiring Corporations to freeze payrises, bonuses, promotions, and commissions whenever a male or female staffer takes time off for any reason at all.
thats not what the wage gap means though
it has nothing to do with everyone earning the same, but rather, that when you control for the variables you mention, and many others, it appears that someone's gender plays a fairly significant role in how much money they make.
I don't think I've ever heard someone argue that commissioned employees deserve gross equal pay including said commissions...
Originally posted by shivYour longer post was much more fun.
To literally have equality and equivalent pay in the workplace, governments would have to pass legislation requiring Corporations to freeze payrises, bonuses, promotions, and commissions whenever a male or female staffer takes time off for any reason at all.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Sounds like a normal thing for them to whine about.No matter what they are never happy about anything.
Feminists are happy about many things.
And it seems like a reasonable thing to "whine" about anyways. Do you not feel bad that you'd make less money than a man of similar qualifications?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
They always find something wrong with the small stuff.I am not in that kind of work detail like the one they are complaining about and where I work both man and woman have the same amount of money if they are manger then that is a different story.
It's not just in a specific group of jobs.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
They always find something wrong with the small stuff.I am not in that kind of work detail like the one they are complaining about and where I work both man and woman have the same amount of money if they are manger then that is a different story.
Where do you work?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
That is true but I still think that it is really not that bad.If you think about it a long ago woman was not allowed to get jobs or vote so compare to not getting paid the same it is really not a big deal.
It's not as bad as it was, but it is still bad, and should not be condoned, don't you think?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Then what jobs do you consider this happening too?
historically, it was the norm in all jobs, and generally the trend has been toward more equality in all fields, so there is a chance that you are in a field or with a company with an equitive pay policy.
it's probably best not to just pass this off as "whining" though. even if you feel you have equal opportunity with your company, this is not the case for many women.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Your longer post was much more fun.
It was the kind of post where 9 times out of 10 someone would pick one sentence out of it, highlight it and and start quoting it out of context.
Figured I didn't need the hassle. but it is true Men are at their most powerful and energetic in their 20s
Women hit the peak of their reproductive health in their 20s
Graduates and Apprentices in mid-high earning professions enter the work place in their 20s
Higher earners seeking to rise to the top of their industry create the foundation for their career path in their 20s
Women have less Grey Matter than Men And less Testosterone. This doesn't exactly give them a big advantage when it comes to tasks which require enterprise and competition.
Women have more white matter, They talk more and place a higher priority on relationships.
Men are more likely to put in overtime and work longer 'unsocial' or 'anti-social' hours than the fairer sex.
If I had a choice between a guy and a girl both 25 and equal in experience and skill, I'd hire the guy.
(Two women I work with are on maternity leave, they both gave birth this month) We're fully staffed but we took on people with no experience with how we do business. It means The rest of us have to suffer, work overtime with people who are clueless without missing deadlines and targets.
The company is paying them whilst they take maternity leave.
IMO. I don't see why pay should be equal when committment is unequal.
"is this fun enough for you?"