Uri Boyka runs the Rocky gauntlet

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Sparred yes, real fight no.

Needless to say he made me his *****. But, it wasn't his kicking that did me in, it was his hand speed and grappling.

Point is that I was able to see his kicks easier than his punches. And yeah, dude was FAST, he tagged me like 5 times before I could say WTF.

Its called adrenaline, a lot of athletes can play through injuries at near 100%

Uri was doing it after having his leg broken, pretty much at the knee cap point with little rehabilitation or support and was still doing all of those stunts, that is a high level of human endurance and feats, but it wasn't only after each fight that he actually showed the pain from his leg, he showed it in his first fight of the movie in just his stance alone and DURING the other fights at the tournament.

Since you're so persistent on the 1850 PSI, please show me any boxer, matter of fact any fighter who punched/kicked at their full utmost power in every single hit. Drago hits hard yes, Drago doesn't normally get the time to set up a punch in a match like he did on a machine, so he isn't going to be hitting that hard everytime.

They have never been shown punching a machine to measure their hitting power but, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Not saying they did probably hit one, but to accuse them of not being able to hit hard cause they didn't isn't too good of a point.

I don't see what was MMA like about that. It was pretty much a normally boxing match, he KO'd the guy and then kept punching him while he was KO'd on the ground. So you consider beating an unconscious opponent on the ground, who also happens to have no sort of ground game at all which may as well be irrelevant due to the fact that he was KO'd anyway, as an example of ground game?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have too. Buddy of mine from Indonesia took Tae kwan do for 25 years. One day he talked me into going to the park and putting on pads and sparring with him. I told him that I had some very limited boxing training and he wanted to workout/see how good I was.

Needless to say he made me his *****. But, it wasn't his kicking that did me in, it was his hand speed and grappling.

Point is that I was able to see his kicks easier than his punches. And yeah, dude was FAST, he tagged me like 5 times before I could say WTF.

I never tried it with pads though or in a M.A. class. People at our school have this thing where about 1 hour after school ends or during the summer we go to the wrestling room after the staff clears out and usually spar a few fights, there were a few actual fights. We had mostly people that took Shotokan Karate or TKD, 1 of the guys did boxing and claims he was undefeated and he was definately good, and my cousin knew a little aikido but we all agreed on no more submission/ground fighting cause 2 guys complained he almost broke their arm and he was killing people with takedowns, wasn't that he was good in Aikido I think, but he was a good fighter he could go stand up with most of the people there. The first guy I had was one of the shotokan guys and seriously all he did was try mid kicks and threw in some random punches, he faked me out with one of the same kicks and hit and later on tried the same thing and hit my leg and I was limping for the last few seconds before they called it and I was still hurt afterwards. After that I learned it was a good idea to work on my leg bones if I was going to go there again. I eventually took up M.A. though now I'm doing Jeet Kune Do and after I get enough money I'll pay to do the Muay thai classes that come right after our JKD ones. We used to have fights posted on youtube until one of the actual fights caused someone to go to hospital and the police had us remove the account, you might be happy to hear it was the boxer who was fighting, it went for 10:07 or technically 9:58 minus the constant pounding of the guy after he was out 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really? What's it called again?

Heroin

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Undisputed 2 or 3?

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already covered this. Drago can jab and jab and jab, have that monster right hand cocked back, wait for Uri to close the gap, and BAM, dead Russian.

It wouldn't produce the same amount of power as his top punch, but it yea that would have a lot behind it especially if Uri was caught off guard.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All that counts here is that Drago was shown hooked up to a machine that registered 1850PSI. The rest is speculation and heresay.

It would've been better if they measure him rapidly throwing punches to get an average of what he hits per punch

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I guess so. Still, Rocky took Drago to the ground in Rocky 4, and Drago showed he had grappling skills.

I had to re-watch that fight to figure out what you meant. That wasn't exactly a ground fight or grappling though they were separated immediately after Rocky took him down. I wouldn't say that was real grappling skills, the guy was just able to over power (obvious) Rocky in the clinch and toss him around or throw him off easily.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I never tried it with pads though or in a M.A. class. People at our school have this thing where about 1 hour after school ends or during the summer we go to the wrestling room after the staff clears out and usually spar a few fights, there were a few actual fights. We had mostly people that took Shotokan Karate or TKD, 1 of the guys did boxing and claims he was undefeated and he was definately good, and my cousin knew a little aikido but we all agreed on no more submission/ground fighting cause 2 guys complained he almost broke their arm and he was killing people with takedowns, wasn't that he was good in Aikido I think, but he was a good fighter he could go stand up with most of the people there. The first guy I had was one of the shotokan guys and seriously all he did was try mid kicks and threw in some random punches, he faked me out with one of the same kicks and hit and later on tried the same thing and hit my leg and I was limping for the last few seconds before they called it and I was still hurt afterwards. After that I learned it was a good idea to work on my leg bones if I was going to go there again. I eventually took up M.A. though now I'm doing Jeet Kune Do and after I get enough money I'll pay to do the Muay thai classes that come right after our JKD ones. We used to have fights posted on youtube until one of the actual fights caused someone to go to hospital and the police had us remove the account, you might be happy to hear it was the boxer who was fighting, it went for 10:07 or technically 9:58 minus the constant pounding of the guy after he was out 😐

I got a months detention 😖ad:

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Undisputed 1 sucked balls.

It wouldn't produce the same amount of power as his top punch, but it yea that would have a lot behind it especially if Uri was caught off guard.

It would've been better if they measure him rapidly throwing punches to get an average of what he hits per punch

I had to re-watch that fight to figure out what you meant. That wasn't exactly a ground fight or grappling though they were separated immediately after Rocky took him down. I wouldn't say that was real grappling skills, the guy was just able to over power (obvious) Rocky in the clinch and toss him around or throw him off easily.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I thought you were asking me, carrot top.

No I wasn't uhm...redneck?

Originally posted by steverules_2
No I wasn't uhm...redneck?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I heart you, steve heartbeat

I heart you too 😮

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There was a guy in my woodshop class who was a badass karate udde, he was always showing off to us by breaking boards with his hand. Thing is, he used a certain type of wood, a softer wood, forget which one. Well, one day me and my buddy replaced the softer wood with a much harder one. The guy lined it up, hit it with his hand and howled like a banshee, it broke his hand haermm

I got a months detention 😖ad:

Month worth of detention for that? 😂

well he did break his hand. We never did anything longer than 5 min. just so no one got seriously injured, unless it was a fight we just let them go at it until there was a clear winner.

If I was able to show up more often at the JKD classes though I could spar with the pads for the first time. The guy has it divided into levels 1,2,3. 1 will go with all protective gear. 2 usually has only the helmet or they are just more upbeat. 3 is the full contact without pads but that is only the mma class I think. The JKD and Muay Thai only goes up to lvl 2.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It wasn't his leg, it was his knee, and it wasn't broken, was it? Looked like he dislocated his knee.

Undisputed 1 sucked balls.

I never had an injury like that near my knee or seen one so I wouldn't for sure truthfully. I've seen broken legs that were shaped like a L so I know it wasn't his fibula/tibia 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Even 1200-1300 would **** Uri up good.

Agreed

That would be more accurate and it makes a big difference between getting hit with 1850 psi per punch by someone, though he will still be hurting if he wins that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well yeah, becaise he's the ****in Drago. Threw him clean across the ring for the lulz.

I wonder what would be going through a ref's mind during a match like that.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Month worth of detention for that? 😂

We never did anything longer than 5 min. just so no one got seriously injured, unless it was a fight we just let them go at it until there was a clear winner.

If I was able to show up more often at the JKD classes though I could spar with the pads for the first time. The guy has it divided into levels 1,2,3. 1 will go with all protective gear. 2 usually has only the helmet or they are just more upbeat. 3 is the full contact without pads but that is only the mma class I think. The JKD and Muay Thai only goes up to lvl 2.

After he came here, he found somewhere to start training again, and ad he was sparring with someone, he went to block a kick. He met it with his elbow, and the guys leg broke. The teacher went apeshit saying that's not how they block here, that he is supposed to sweep it away, kinda like Daniel Larusso sanda floor. I guess american Tae Kwan Do is pussified.

That would be more accurate and it makes a big difference between getting hit with 1850 psi per punch by someone, though he will still be hurting if he wins that.

I wonder what would be going through a ref's mind during a match like that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The sane friend of mine, the one who whupped my ass, his name is Siddya. He showed me videos of him and three other guys training over in Indonesia. One of the clips I saw was three guys attacking one for five minutes, the fourth guy was not allowed to strike back, just defend.

After he came here, he found somewhere to start training again, and ad he was sparring with someone, he went to block a kick. He met it with his elbow, and the guys leg broke. The teacher went apeshit saying that's not how they block here, that he is supposed to sweep it away, kinda like Daniel Larusso sanda floor. I guess american Tae Kwan Do is pussified.

That is hilarious though I feel sorry for the guy. So he was just blocking or striking his elbow forward to meet the guy's leg?

It may just depend on the teacher, like the guy at the place I go to, unlike some of the places I found in my state, he is pretty legit. I don't know why it took me so long to notice that place, I searched specifically for the classes he had and his school never appeared despite he is pretty much better than most of the instructors here at least in credentials and they finish high usually at competitions and have a winning mma record. Like his lower level BJJ fighters were able to finish 2nd place in their last competition against mostly higher level guys.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
That is hilarious though I feel sorry for the guy. So he was just blocking or striking his elbow forward to meet the guy's leg?

It may just depend on the teacher, like the guy at the place I go to, unlike some of the places I found in my state, he is pretty legit. I don't know why it took me so long to notice that place, I searched specifically for the classes he had and his school never appeared despite he is pretty much better than most of the instructors here at least in credentials and they finish high usually at competitions and have a winning mma record. Like his lower level BJJ fighters were able to finish 2nd place in their last competition against mostly higher level guys.

He brought his elbow and met the kick in a striking motion, he told me after that is the way he was taught.

The teacher made him kneel in the corner for the rest of the class haermm I was like dude, just leave? He said nah, his dojo, I have to respect his decision. Whatever.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

1. Tommy Gunn

Lets begin with the tale of the tap. Gunn is taller then Uri and has the reach advantage. Though at 5'11" and 6'2" respectively. The difference is not as substantial as some of these matches.

Moving on in "Undefeated 2" we saw that Boyka has trouble with an aggressive boxing onslaught. As before being poisoned Chambers, at that point with only a boxing back ground put him on the ropes.

Added to this. While amateur in comparison to Boyka. Gunn did show some grappling and kicking skills in his street fight with Balboa. Oddly enough for a man of his fighting back ground. He kept going for the take downs.

That said Gunn is also compulsive, hot tempered, and egotistical. Which when coupled with his inclinations to take a street fight to the proverbial mat. Are traits that will get him mauled against a fighter like Boyka, who has a much more refined ground game.

Because of Boyka's chin and odd tenancy to try and keep his fights upright.

Chances are that. The fight begins with them exchanging blows briefly. Gunn with the initial advantage. Until Boyka throws in a few kicks or throws. Unable to break past Uri's chin and frustrated by his kicks. Gunn goes for a take down and ends up getting subbed(or broken 'till he passes out from the pain)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

2. Mason Dixon

Dixon has the same height advantage as Gunn and while he is a calculated fighter he has no feats to suggested Gunn's brawling ability.

On the other hand he is the only Rocky fighter to have never suffered a KO. Some thing that Boyka supporters have touted out as a feat for Uri.

He also has better endurance feats then Gunn. Though he did look spent after a ten ran bout with an older Rocky.

We also know that he can take broken bones and keep coming.

Dixon is a solid well rounded boxer, but not anything particularly special.

While I am a bit hesitant to use it. The last thing to consider is that while he was never really knocked out. Dixon did go down in the simulated fight with a young Balboa.

If Dixon came out swinging he might be able to pick up a win, but he seems a bit more of a cautious fighter preferring to stay on the outside and work the jab.

Against Boyka this strategy is likely going to get him kicked in the head a lot. As Uri can match his speed and get more range out of his legs then Mason can out of his punches.

In other words its a give and take, but Boyka's going to take the win, by KO in the proverbial middle rounds. 4-6 I'd wager.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

3. Clubber Lang

He lacks the height advantage of the last 2, but he is an aggressive puncher and will bring the onslaught, not unlike Chambers.

However much like Gunn he is relatively easy to psych out and as Balboa showed can be dodged by a fighter light on their feat.

He also gasses out quick and has a questionable chin. He is and all offense fighter.

So he has a chance to put Boyka down if he can do it quickly, but if Uri can stay standing after the initial flurry. Very possible with his chin. Things get rough for Clubber.

I see a busted and bruised Uri, getting into Clubbers head after the opening bombs don't bring down the Russian. After this Boyka sets the pass. Gasses Lang out and drops him. Much like Balboa did, but with more kicking.🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

4. Apollo Creed (Rocky 2 version)

He's got height, reach, skill, and speed. With out sacrificing skill, stamina, or presence of mind. He is egotistical, but backs it up. As an in ring tactician. He is going to work out Boyka's strategy and distance quick. Then put him on the mat with a relentless assault of quick hand and foot work. How ever if Uri is smart enough to work his way to the inside and can survive the punishment, a possibility for Boyka, he should be able to sub or break Creed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

5. Ivan Drago

This is like a less tactical, but stronger and taller Creed. Who is willing and at least partially able to grapple.

With the strength of the hits he throws and the range he throws them at. With no aversion to straight forward aggression or the occasional grapple and a solid chin. I'd say he'll work Boyka over quick. If and it's not likely Boyka can last into the proverbial middle rounds he might have a shot at psyching out Drago, but even if he does and its a big if. Ivan psyched out tends to just fight harder.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
6. Rocky Balboa (Rocky 3 version)
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He has Lang's hitting power, Creed tactics and speed, and damn near the best chin of the group.

Regardless of what he is like in the rest of his life in the ring Rocco is brilliant able to get under the skin and into the mind of his opponents.

As slugger by trade his blows are devastating and he has the soak and stamina to back it up.

The final things that clinches the win for Balboa is legit grappling skills. He has displayed a knowledge wrestling to the point where he can trade holds and choke some one out. We also have something else thrown in the mix besides wrestling and boxing as displayed by his leg hook and shoulder hook to punch combo in Rocky 5.

Nicely said 👆

lol obvious fanboys are obvious

Boyka would beat every man. Rocky nor Gunn have real "grappling skills." If you think those are "grappling skills," you watch too many backyard brawls and not enough wwe. Hell, that stuff is fake and they even show better grappling than those has-been boxers.

Let's see...
Gunn...big guys like him go down quick against sumbody like Boyka. Boyka's kick would kill Gunn. All he has to do is connect with his temple. But even if he didnt want to go for the temple...he just has to go for the chin. Any well-placed kick to the chin will result in a knockout. I trained in MT for 30 years...the kick almost always end it...and some of the guys that were fighting were just like Drago.

Gunna skip the next couple cuz lets face it...Mason, Clubber and Apollo all sucked. Boyka wins in 1 shot...guaranteed.

Drago. 5 kicks to the face (since you guys decided he had to beat superman for some retarded reason). Drago won't dodge the kicks either cuz just like in the movie, he is very cocky and will put his chin out there for Boyka. Sweet Chin Music mirite?

Rocky...lol Boyka would need 10 kicks to take out Rocky (cuz hes double superman)
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Boyka wins!!!! BAWWWWW! I dont even have to reply to any of your comments cuz I totally won.

Now...send all of your best fighters at me...cuz none of you guys can beat my boy Kenshiro...he will make your heads asplode.

Omae wa mou shindeiru...