Elder God Set vs Odin

Don't really need to be Odin, any Skyfather level being will do. This one got me thinking because people always assume Elder God > Skyfather.

But Set strikes me as being very "squishy". In "What If : Earth's Heroes Lost Atlantis Attacks" both Thor and the Silver Surfer manage to inflict heavy damage on him. In fact it looked like the Surfer was about to finish him off, but he was knocked off his board (unhurt though), and a Uni-Powered Quasar showed up and whisked Set into the Eye of Agamotto.

Now the Surfer is NOWHERE NEAR skyfather level of power. People on this very board posted pics of Odin literally swatting the Surfer away like a fly.

So which is it? Is Set the Jobber of the Elder Gods and gets pwned by Odin? Or does Odin get devoured by the Elder?

Lurker!

sets durabilty is trash but he has elder god level in power. he nearly killed an enrage pheonix and tanked a full blast from it .pheonix >>>>skyfather,one shotted surfer when he finnaly caught him. you said unhurt but surfer was dead

elder god>>>skyfather in raw power/magic
though odin is more durable than set.

set cant be killed though. he can regenerate his body

agamotto is near galactus level

chthon warped asgard out of existance when he posessed quicksilver

set stomps odins ass

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
[B]he nearly killed an enrage pheonix and tanked a full blast from it .pheonix >>>>skyfather,

This was Rachel Summers version of the Phoenix, Thor himself has one-shotted her by reflecting her own mental blast back at her (it was the issue when Excalibur was fighting with Thor thinking he was the Juggernaut).

one shotted surfer when he finnaly caught him. you said unhurt but surfer was dead

No the Surfer didn't die, I have the issue and want to post scans but I need to find it. Here it is according to wikipedia :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_Attacks

Only Silver Surfer and Quasar survive, and with the help of Thor (who is horribly burned and placed in stasis to keep him alive), destroy two of Set's heads before Quasar, backed by the power of Captain Universe, sacrifices his life to exile himself and Set inside Doctor Strange's Eye of Agamotto. Silver Surfer gives the Eye to the Watcher for safe keeping,

Thor managed to destroy one of Set's heads and so did the Surfer. In fact the Surfer hit him so hard Set's remaining five heads screamed in pain in unison. Surfer was knocked off his board but otherwise totally undamaged. He was about to finish Set when the Uni-powered Quasar showed up and banished himself and Set to the pocket dimension inside the Eye of Agamotto. Surfer then hands the Eye over to the Watcher of that universe for safe keeping.

Fact is Thor and Surfer wounded Set severely and Surfer was about to finish him off. There is NO WAY Surfer or Thor are a match for Odin.

@ bbrem123

How? How does Set stomp Odin, if Odin swatted the Surfer away like an insect yet Set was reeling in pain from his attacks?

I havent picked a choice in the poll as I almost want to say that Set jobbed in that What If (I have this very issue as well btw), but it was so circumstancial that I am not sure where I stand in regard to this...

On one hand, it is continually stated in that issue that Set's power was steadily increasing as more and more of his essense came into our dimension, and at the time of the big fight where Thor and the Surfer injuried him, he apparently was still was partially in his home realm...thus Sets full power was not on display in that fight.

On the other hand, the hero's (particularly Thor and the Surfer) did suspiciously well against Set; at one point early in that comic, Set was stated on panel to be more out of his home dimension than in it...thus its logical to conclude that he has access to more than half of his power...

If an Elder God is a notch above a Skyfather, then that should have made Set powerful enough to beat Thor and Surfer like they were insects; yet Set had to use his full growing power plus the power he absorbed from Phoenix (and she was described as "half eatten" [or "half consummed"; too lazy to get the comic at the moment] as she fell to her death) in order to attack Thor fatally (Set failed to kill Thor earlier in the comic despite his effort to do so...he was only able to hurl Thor from the ocean unconscious)...

And a blast from Sets 5 remaining heads (after Thor and Surfer destroyed 1 apiece), was only capable of hurling the Surfer from his board...so this is very suspicious indeed...

After thinking about it like that, I feel more confident in saying that Set jobbed bigtime in that fight...

The only other answer is that the term "Elder God" is highly overrated and/or is not being applied properly...

Maybe the term "Old God" is more appropiate if (assuming that Set was not jobbing) Sets showing in that What If was an accurate gauge of his power level...in which case..."Elder God" is actually sub Skyfather level.

Btw, Big-C...

Agamotto is nowhere near Galactus level; the writter responsible for that issue of Doctor Strange just did a horrible job of writting...

When Doom had Galactus's power, he was aware of the thoughts of every being on the planet instantly...

So with that said, you mean to tell me that (with Dr Strange being right next to him) Galactus didnt know that physical attacks would prove ineffective against Agamotto...but Strange did?? Even if Galactus didnt know initially, the instant Strange had that thought, then Galactus would have known it as well and then Galactus would have changed tactics and fought Agamotto in a manner that would have been more effective...

But no...we get typical Marvel based inconsistency instead, and it leads to BS conclusions (like your own) that Agamotto is close to Galactus level...

It was implied during The Infinity Gauntlet that the cosmic forces gathered to face Thanos were the "Astral Dieties of the Universe." Galactus was present...abstracts were present...so where the hell was Agamotto!?

LoL...every being there was a true cosmic level character...Cube Beings and everything else below was excluded from that meeting...that should speak volumes about the Marvel hierarchy...

Originally posted by zopzop
This was Rachel Summers version of the Phoenix, Thor himself has one-shotted her by reflecting her own mental blast back at her (it was the issue when Excalibur was fighting with Thor thinking he was the Juggernaut).

No the Surfer didn't die, I have the issue and want to post scans but I need to find it. Here it is according to wikipedia :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_Attacks

Thor managed to destroy one of Set's heads and so did the Surfer. In fact the Surfer hit him so hard Set's remaining five heads screamed in pain in unison. Surfer was knocked off his board but otherwise totally undamaged. He was about to finish Set when the Uni-powered Quasar showed up and banished himself and Set to the pocket dimension inside the Eye of Agamotto. Surfer then hands the Eye over to the Watcher of that universe for safe keeping.

Fact is Thor and Surfer wounded Set severely and Surfer was about to finish him off. There is NO WAY Surfer or Thor are a match for Odin.

@ bbrem123

How? How does Set stomp Odin, if Odin swatted the Surfer away like an insect yet Set was reeling in pain from his attacks?

That was a 'What If' issue, and thus is inadmissable as evidence in the KMC Court of Debating.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
sets durabilty is trash but he has elder god level in power. he nearly killed an enrage pheonix and tanked a full blast from it .pheonix >>>>skyfather,one shotted surfer when he finnaly caught him. you said unhurt but surfer was dead

elder god>>>skyfather in raw power/magic
though odin is more durable than set.

set cant be killed though. he can regenerate his body

agamotto is near galactus level

chthon warped asgard out of existance when he posessed quicksilver

LOL, the phoenix feat wasn't canon, silly.

You guy's are basing your arguments off of a what if issue? 😐 🙂 😆

it wasnt cannon anyways.

and i have scans of thor going toe to toe with odin twice.
chasing galactus of. fighting celestials etc
so the what if could of been written by thwt same writer

but odin did mate with gaea because he wanted a son with more potential than him.

and gaea is scared of set
besides that
not all eder gods>skyfather
just the top ones

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Btw, Big-C...

Agamotto is nowhere near Galactus level; the writter responsible for that issue of Doctor Strange just did a horrible job of writting...

When Doom had Galactus's power, he was aware of the thoughts of every being on the planet instantly...

So with that said, you mean to tell me that (with Dr Strange being right next to him) Galactus didnt know that physical attacks would prove ineffective against Agamotto...but Strange did?? Even if Galactus didnt know initially, the instant Strange had that thought, then Galactus would have known it as well and then Galactus would have changed tactics and fought Agamotto in a manner that would have been more effective...

But no...we get typical Marvel based inconsistency instead, and it leads to BS conclusions (like your own) that Agamotto is close to Galactus level...

It was implied during The Infinity Gauntlet that the cosmic forces gathered to face Thanos were the "Astral Dieties of the Universe." Galactus was present...abstracts were present...so where the hell was Agamotto!?

LoL...every being there was a true cosmic level character...Cube Beings and everything else below was excluded from that meeting...that should speak volumes about the Marvel hierarchy...

everone facing him wasnt shown
you even had zeus in the front lines with the LT
thor was even there.

mr master posted the scan were the vishanti are recognized as the most powerful magic users in the multiverse. and they was summoned to fight a omniversal threat.

also "seth" who is a wannabe of set stalemated odin in a fight that busted galaxys (even if odin beat him at the he is skyfather level and did more damage than the thanos vs odin fight)

seth is no where near the level of set
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by the way i love this pic

like i said set stomps...this is spite

Originally posted by theICONiac
That was a 'What If' issue, and thus is inadmissable as evidence in the KMC Court of Debating.

This was the only time Set has been shown going all-out in any issue. This wasn't him possessing a host body or an avatar of him, this was the actual being Set.

Originally posted by bbrem123
like i said set stomps...this is spite

Again you never explain how. Odin's feats > Set's feats. Even in terms of artifacts created Odin made the Destroyer Armor and Mjolnir/Stormbreaker, Set made..............................the Serpent Crown. In NO universe is the Serpent Crown an artifact anywhere near Mjolnir/Stormbreaker in terms of power, let alone the Destroyer Armor. Odin > Set.

I have pics of the What If issue in question, I just need to figure out how to upload them.

Originally posted by zopzop
[quote= theICONiac]Odin's feats > Set's feats.

odins feats are greater than alot of peoples feats
odin created the armor with prep while humans created the crown.
it took a cosmic cube to destroy the crown.
were as odin has been pwned by a cube

Originally posted by nicamarvin
whats next....? Odin feats> Demogorge Feats.... 🙄

hahah
👆

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
also "seth" who is a wannabe of set stalemated odin in a fight that busted galaxys (even if odin beat him at the he is skyfather level and did more damage than the thanos vs odin fight)

seth is no where near the level of set
/thread

by the way i love this pic

^Yes.

The "title" Elder God is so overrated.