Elder God Set vs Odin

Started by WhiteWitchKing3 pages
Originally posted by bbrem123
what r u talking about....what make u think odin can stand up to set and beat him...odin shits his pants in the presence of demogorge....and it took atum forever to defeat set....

Thankfully Set isn't the Demogorge. Set has lost every time they've fought and had to run off. Odin has beaten down enough head gods to give Set a fight and win. And secondly, it took Demogorge forever to beat Set because Set had millions of years to amassed power from the dinosaurs. He was far stronger than his prior fight with Atum. When Atum first began destroying the Elder Gods, Chthon, Set, and Set's children were chased off by the Demogorge alone. If Set was amassing the same power he did during the Iron Man Annual, then yeah he would beat Odin. Otherwise, Odin has more than enough wins under his to put Set down. Even Thoth has stalemated Set in his dimension and Thoth isn't even a skyfather.

so basically classic set wins
current loses iyo

well current writers have a history of jobbing old characters. look what happen to demogorge

also i always assumed set=chthon and people like merlyn cant beat chthons magic and mordred by reading the darkhold out loud was warping reality

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thankfully Set isn't the Demogorge. Set has lost every time they've fought and had to run off. Odin has beaten down enough head gods to give Set a fight and win. And secondly, it took Demogorge forever to beat Set because Set had millions of years to amassed power from the dinosaurs. He was far stronger than his prior fight with Atum. When Atum first began destroying the Elder Gods, Chthon, Set, and Set's children were chased off by the Demogorge alone. If Set was amassing the same power he did during the Iron Man Annual, then yeah he would beat Odin. Otherwise, Odin has more than enough wins under his to put Set down. Even Thoth has stalemated Set in his dimension and Thoth isn't even a skyfather.
you havent answerd to how someone with a cosmic cube was unable to kill set
and how someone with the dreaming celestials power was still under his influence

Just voted for S

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]Thankfully Set isn't the Demogorge. Set has lost every time they've fought and had to run off.

Correct, but Odin and the other Skyfathers didn't dare face him. They sent their children as fodder while they attempted to come up with a plan to stop him. Chthon, who most anyone agrees is greater than any skyfather, never attempted to challenge Demogorge. In fact the only reason he showed his face recently in that Avengers arc was because word got out that Demogorge was dead.

And secondly, it took Demogorge forever to beat Set because Set had millions of years to amassed power from the dinosaurs. He was far stronger than his prior fight with Atum.

Stalemating a god killer, who up till that idiotic Hercules story arc, wiped the floor with any and all divinities he ran up against, for MILLIONS of years, is an awesome accomplishment by Set.

Just to add to the confusion, that wasn't the most powerful incarnation of Set. The one in the Atlantis Attacks Thor Annual was. Thor/Demogorge himself stated in that fight that Set was MORE powerful than when they faced off in the Age of Reptiles (****see note below). Yet Set didn't have any worshipers to feed off of for millions of years.

In that very same Annual when it looked like they had no chance vs Set, Thor runs for his life to beg for help. Does he go to Odin or any other Skyfather? NO! He runs to his mother, the Elder Goddess Gaea and asks for assistance. She informs him that she can't do anything herself or even call out to Atum for assistance because Set's power keeps her imprisoned in the void between worlds. This actually shocked Thor, seeing as how she, his sister goddess, was powerless against him.

The Marvel writers can't seem to make up their minds concerning him. And to add fuel to the fire, in the Marvel Tarot, Set is the father (ie source) of the 7 deadly sins. Each of his heads being tied directly to a specific sin. His Serpent Crown, is one of the four Cornerstones of Creation. An item that ties directly to how magic functions in the universe. All these things imply someone who's powerlevels should be off the charts.

*******Yet mysteriously THor/Demogorge go on to KO him in 2 minutes.

*****Note I really, really wish I could post links and pics. But I can't yet.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
you havent answerd to how someone with a cosmic cube was unable to kill set

What instance are you referring too? In FF Annual, they destroyed the giant Serpent crown and sent a "grievously wounded" Set back to his dimension. Set wasn't even in the vicinity and suffered the feedback of destroying the Crown.


and how someone with the dreaming celestials power was still under his influence

Ghaur lost the Dreaming Celestial's powers when the Uni-Mind tore his soul from that body.

Originally posted by zopzop
Correct, but Odin and the other Skyfathers didn't dare face him. They sent their children as fodder while they attempted to come up with a plan to stop him. Chthon, who most anyone agrees is greater than any skyfather, never attempted to challenge Demogorge. In fact the only reason he showed his face recently in that Avengers arc was because word got out that Demogorge was dead.

In other words Chthon and Set are not the Demogorge.


Stalemating a god killer, who up till that idiotic Hercules story arc, wiped the floor with any and all divinities he ran up against, for MILLIONS of years, is an awesome accomplishment by Set.

Yeah, after he'd absorbed millions of years worth of power from the dinosaur. And then Atum show's up and ultimately victorious as Set's "vast stores of energy gone" and "Set retreated back to his dimension." Set had millions of years of stored power to fight Atum.


Just to add to the confusion, that wasn't the most powerful incarnation of Set. The one in the Atlantis Attacks Thor Annual was. Thor/Demogorge himself stated in that fight that Set was MORE powerful than when they faced off in the Age of Reptiles (****see note below). Yet Set didn't have any worshipers to feed off of for millions of years.

It's funny how Thor/Atum states that Set is more powerful than his Reptilian Age manifestation because right after that Thor/Atum ripped Set apart like nothing. That fight looked like it took about five minutes.

- Atum having absorbed just Thor manages to transform into the Demogorge and proceed to beat Set in like 5 minutes.

- Atum, during the Reptilian Age, transformed into the Demogorge after absorbing the first head of Set took millions of years to beat Set.

What Thor/Atum says is complete different from what actually happened.


In that very same Annual when it looked like they had no chance vs Set, Thor runs for his life to beg for help. Does he go to Odin or any other Skyfather? NO! He runs to his mother, the Elder Goddess Gaea and asks for assistance. She informs him that she can't do anything herself or even call out to Atum for assistance because Set's power keeps her imprisoned in the void between worlds. This actually shocked Thor, seeing as how she, his sister goddess, was powerless against him.

She, being his sister, has nothing to do with power levels. She never went to the extremes her siblings did for power. Gaea is not a fighter that's why she mated with the Demiurge to bring forth as Atum to end the war between the Elder Gods. She asked Atum again during the Reptilian Age to aid her and it even states it's because she's not a warrior. Gaea also gave the Olympians the weapons necessary to over throw the Titans. Then she went about and gave birth to Typhon to over throw the Olympians. Gaea doesn't fight at all. Dormammu has trapped Gaea as well. And Dormammu and Odin are at least equals. Going by just showings, Odin's feat beats most of Dormammu's.


The Marvel writers can't seem to make up their minds concerning him. And to add fuel to the fire, in the Marvel Tarot, Set is the father (ie source) of the 7 deadly sins. Each of his heads being tied directly to a specific sin. His Serpent Crown, is one of the four Cornerstones of Creation. An item that ties directly to how magic functions in the universe. All these things imply someone who's powerlevels should be off the charts.

*******Yet mysteriously THor/Demogorge go on to KO him in 2 minutes.

*****Note I really, really wish I could post links and pics. But I can't yet.

But Set isn't. He's powerful but he isn't something that Odin could not fight on an even footing with. The laws of magic are agreed upon by the War of the Seven Spheres. Even Satannish is a member while Odin is not. Still Odin can beat Satannish in a fight that's for sure.

It might have taken Atum a long time to beat Set when he had amassed sufficient power and later on it only took him a few minutes tops to beat an apparently even more powerful incarnation but we have to taken into account that Atum had just absorbed Thor who was running the show. THOR!

His awesomeness transcends all. Notice how Atum suddenly started growing bigger once Thor got angry? I'd say it was pretty clear that Thor had amped Atum to levels far beyond anything he had ever seen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It might have taken Atum a long time to beat Set when he had amassed sufficient power and later on it only took him a few minutes tops to beat an apparently even more powerful incarnation but we have to taken into account that Atum had just absorbed Thor who was running the show. THOR!

His awesomeness transcends all. Notice how Atum suddenly started growing bigger once Thor got angry? I'd say it was pretty clear that Thor had amped Atum to levels far beyond anything he had ever seen.

Yeah, even more than Set's head during the Reptilian Age or the hundreds of Elder Gods during the Halcyon Age!!!!

Thor is teh POAHFO!!

lol
atum has eat beings much greater than thor
thor is just a very popular character

also gaea>dormammu
after she was released under his magic, she completely owned him
dormammu at his lowest is equal to odin

chthon is one powerful guy , he has a spell that can destroy demogorge in the darhold but it must be done by a human
dormammu invoked spells of chthon to conquor the universe

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It might have taken Atum a long time to beat Set when he had amassed sufficient power and later on it only took him a few minutes tops to beat an apparently even more powerful incarnation but we have to taken into account that Atum had just absorbed Thor who was running the show. THOR!

His awesomeness transcends all. Notice how Atum suddenly started growing bigger once Thor got angry? I'd say it was pretty clear that Thor had amped Atum to levels far beyond anything he had ever seen.

haha great post 👆

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

also gaea>dormammu
after she was released under his magic, she completely owned him
dormammu at his lowest is equal to odin

Is that why she needed help to free her? She needed to harness all the life force of Earth to banish the guy. If he had the backing all the Dark Dimension in his turf, he stomped her.


chthon is one powerful guy , he has a spell that can destroy demogorge in the darhold but it must be done by a human
dormammu invoked spells of chthon to conquor the universe

He's never destroyed the Demogorge. It's unproven until shown. As for Dormammu using one of Chthon's spell, it doesn't mean much. He can use Satannish's spell and still beat the fool's face in. Chthon is all that either when compared to Dormammu.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Is that why she needed help to free her? She needed to harness all the life force of Earth to banish the guy. If he had the backing all the Dark Dimension in his turf, he stomped her.
thats her power set, dormmamu in his realm is pretty much abstract level

not to mention odin mated with her to have a son more powerful than himself

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He's never destroyed the Demogorge.
i never said he did, all i said is that theres a spell in the darkhold capable of destroying demogorge , he also stole some of demogorges power and placed it in the darkhold, blade accesed some of that power once when he was wrecking the midnight sons

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
As for Dormammu using one of Chthon's spell, it doesn't mean much. He can use Satannish's spell and still beat the fool's face in. Chthon is all that either when compared to Dormammu.
he never used satannishes spell,

you only invoke spells of people more powerful than you
people dont go around using spells of lesser beings at all.

the only people dormmamu ever invoked was cyttorak and chthon thats it

chthon magic is above merlyns and merlyn at his prime is multiversal
the scarlet witch is depowerd every time some one scatters the pages of the darkhold.
mordred trapped asgard inside a dimesnional prison by reading the darkhold, king thor even states all of asgard and midgard cannot challege him
chthon and set are also part of the counerstones of creation which is all magic in the universe, as someone already pointed out

when they were damaged in the war of the seven spheres ,no one in the universe could use magic

dormammu also was pretty much owned by a threat similiar to demogorge

if you dont believe, i can post the page on the ohotmu were it says chthon is the supreme authority of black magic

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thats her power set, dormmamu in his realm is pretty much abstract level

In other words he's more powerful than her.


not to mention odin mated with her to have a son more powerful than himself

He mated with her so he could have a more powerful son than he could have with other Asgardians. And Thor was never more powerful than Odin. The only time he became that was when he took the ODIN force.


i never said he did, all i said is that theres a spell in the darkhold capable of destroying demogorge , he also stole some of demogorges power and placed it in the darkhold, blade accesed some of that power once when he was wrecking the midnight sons

he never used satannishes spell,

you only invoke spells of people more powerful than you
people dont go around using spells of lesser beings at all.

I guess the Seraphims are more powerful than the Tribunal? And the Faltine as well? So hmmm, Dormammu is more powerful than LT!! Then there's Zom who invoked the Demons of Denak to burn Strange.


the only people dormmamu ever invoked was cyttorak and chthon thats it

Only? He used the Winds of Watoomb and the Rings of Raggadoor (to push back the Mindless Ones). Even Dormammu's name has been utter among the likes of Watoomb, Cyttorak, Denak, the Seraphims, Valtoor, Raggadoor, and Ikonn. The only reason Strange stopped using Dormammu was because he found out who Dormammu was and that he was tapping into Dormammu's dark magic.

Spells are lent by deities all the time. It's just easier to use existing spells then write your own. That's why most of them invoke the powers of others. Doesn't necessarily mean LT, Dormammu, Zom, or whoever is any less in terms of power than those they invoke.


chthon magic is above merlyns and merlyn at his prime is multiversal

Yeah right, Chthon would get his face smashed in by any Celestial much less a multiversal being.


the scarlet witch is depowerd every time some one scatters the pages of the darkhold.
chthon and set are also part of the counerstones of creation which is all magic in the universe, as someone already pointed out

Set and the other Elder Gods came into being long after the universe. Chthon began to "learn to control the mystical forces of this part of the universe and became Earth's first sorcerror of black magic". He's one of the contributors of magic. Let's not even go there. Set apparently is another cornerstone that includes Gaea, both of who rarely, if ever, invoked by mystics. The only true contributors of magic are Oshtur and Chthon. Even then, the Faltine, the members of the Octessence, Munipoor, Hoggoth, and a host of others are contributors to magic in the universe as well.

when they were damaged in the war of the seven spheres ,no one in the universe could use magic

dormammu also was pretty much owned by a threat similiar to demogorge

if you dont believe, i can post the page on the ohotmu were it says chthon is the supreme authority of black magic

We don't use hand books here. You didn't know that? And what does the Archenemy have to do with Chthon being more powerful than Dormammu? What does it have anything to do with Set being more powerful than Odin?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah, even more than Set's head during the Reptilian Age or the hundreds of Elder Gods during the Halcyon Age!!!!

Thor is teh POAHFO!!

Hey, I'm just using common sense and putting two and two together. If Thor can reach Skyfather levels when he lets go of his mental blocks, imagine the amp he'd give Atum. You literally see him growing in power when Thor gets angry.

The comic speaks for itself.

myrlin is multiversal though
it didnt say chthon is more powerful than him directly. but he couldnt destroy the darkhold,
well the artist stated he wasnt in his prime though

also the earth was formed about 1billion years after the universe
the elder gods are 5-6 billion years old
so 1billion years apart from the universe creation wouldnt be that much older than them

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hey, I'm just using common sense and putting two and two together. If Thor can reach Skyfather levels when he lets go of his mental blocks, imagine the amp he'd give Atum. You literally see him growing in power when Thor gets angry.

The comic speaks for itself.

thor is atum brother

im not sure why they never call him to eat surtur
or kill ragnorak..