I'd have to agree with you too, Galan. Anakin does have the more raw force power then vader, but vader is more knowledgeable and has a greater understanding of force techniques. I don't know how raw power would help him in a force fight...we see that its better utilized through saber combat more then anything else.
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson014Yeah, it's not like Anakin just showed up and wtfpwned Dooku with a superior force attack... Anakin's "thermonuclear furnace" of raw force energy was only used to, essentially, keep amping his already considerable physical stats, thereby overwhelming Dooku.
I'd have to agree with you too, Galan. Anakin does have the more raw force power then vader, but vader is more knowledgeable and has a greater understanding of force techniques. I don't know how raw power would help him in a force fight...we see that its better utilized through saber combat more then anything else.
The above, however, is nowhere near the same as using external force powers in the fine tuned, and ridiculously powerful manner Vader has demonstrated (ie. choking Xizor from across the galaxy, while restraining himself.)
I'd have to choose In the zone Anakin over all. He would win in sabers and all out. Sure Vader is stronger in the force imo but In the zone Anakin was relentless man. If you take into acoount his saber skills, he defated Dooku in this state of mind who would beat Vader imho, and his endless energy reserves he would surely overpower or force Vader into a mistake.
You have to remember that Vader didn't have that much stamina in his slow and clumsy suit, also i don't think Vader would really get the chance to use his force powers as Anakin would just continually batter his defenses. Plus even though not as strong in the force as Vader, Anakin was no slouch either.
Originally posted by ares834
Vader wins.
"When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master."
Technically, Vader wasn't the master, he was a sith apprentice which i think is equal to jedi master but Obi-Wan was a high council jedi master so that still trumps Vader in terms of rank, maybe. Sidious is the master.
Originally posted by Master_GalenYou should learn to tell when someone's being facetious.
Technically, Vader wasn't the master, he was a sith apprentice which i think is equal to jedi master but Obi-Wan was a high council jedi master so that still trumps Vader in terms of rank, maybe. Sidious is the master.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You should learn to tell when someone's being facetious.
I was merely trying to get the debate back on track and at the same time further my point, that Vader was never really that much more powerful than Anakin as some people believed. Anakin was far superior in sabers and if he wasn't in the suit at the time of OT he would most definitely be superior in the force to OT Vader as well.
After all, is that not the whole point of a debate.
Originally posted by Master_GalenYou're failing. Stop it.
I was merely trying to get the debate back on track and at the same time further my point, that Vader was never really that much more powerful than Anakin as some people believed. Anakin was far superior in sabers and if he wasn't in the suit at the time of OT he would most definitely be superior in the force to OT Vader as well.After all, is that not the whole point of a debate.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Your post right here, is injected with it. If you can provide a confession of wild gesturing, then we can upgrade your status to condition: flailing.
Allriite. Btw you have said that Anakin wins in sabers and Vader wins in force, what about all out. If you already said it then soz i must not have seen it.
All-outs are hard to tell, as it's impossible to predict who will use what Force power or when. Anakin's clairvoyant enough here to think things through, but I maintain that Vader's more powerful and brutish in the Force enough to crush him. Depends who can hit who first: Anakin with a blade or Vader with a telekinetic crunch or something.