Smoking in work places!

Started by §P0oONY5 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
It just so happens that I'm an ***hole when it comes to smoking because of the nose-bleeds and bronchitis it gave me as a child. Usually, I am all for as much liberties as possible...having some libertarian sympathies, of course.

If i were to be unbiased, I'd say that if a place, other than a home, wanted smoking on campus, they should have a room specifically for it, separate in every way from the facility, to avoid the second-hand smoke conundrum.

Edit - lol! I thought a 'non-smoking' area of any joint was the stupidest thing, ever, as a kid. It didn't make a shit of difference. 😆

It does make a difference... Especially if the non-smoking area is set at a lower height.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
It does make a difference... Especially if the non-smoking area is set at a lower height.

Well, I was referring to the rooms that one side of the room was smoking and the other side of the room was non-smoking. There were those rooms that were completely separate with closed doors, and everything.

But, now,it doesn't matter. Wherever food is served, no-smoking can occur, in Oklahoma.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I was referring to the rooms that one side of the room was smoking and the other side of the room was non-smoking. There were those rooms that were completely separate with closed doors, and everything.

But, now,it doesn't matter. Wherever food is served, no-smoking can occur, in Oklahoma.

That include pub snacks? Crisps, pork scratchings, peanuts etc?

Originally posted by §P0oONY
That include pub snacks? Crisps, pork scratchings, peanuts etc?

Yeah. Food or drinks.

I think there is a compliance period, right now. It will start to be enforced in like, 2012 or something.

first off, smokers need to realize that this is not the fifties anymore.. smoking is officially UNCOOL.. you can find a flintstones commercial for winston cigarettes on youtube that was made back then.. remember lucy and ricky smoking in their apartments? now, i can't even find a single cigarette commercial on american TV.. whores are ok though, BUT NO SMOKING!!

second, it just makes sense that some establishments ban smoking.. hospitals are on top of the list.. if you work for a hospital and you do smoke, i believe there is a parking lot you can go to to have a drag.. if you are a smoker and a hospital won't hire you because of it, you have a possible lawsuit against the hospital in your hands.. amusement park, beaches, restaurants, etc should ban smoking because of children.. i use to smoke, and i go out of my way to avoid children..

it's really up to the establishments to make, enforce and uphold their own policies..

Originally posted by super pr*xy
now, i can't even find a single cigarette commercial on american TV.. whores are ok though, BUT NO SMOKING!!

Might have to do with them being banned. Just a thought though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Might have to do with them being banned. Just a thought though.
I was thinking exactly that while reading... 😆

But it's obvious that they don't advertise because it's no longer cool.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
But it's obvious that they don't advertise because it's no longer cool.

But it is Kool? awesome amirite?

😆

Originally posted by super pr*xy
first off, smokers need to realize that this is not the fifties anymore.. smoking is officially UNCOOL.. you can find a flintstones commercial for winston cigarettes on youtube that was made back then.. remember lucy and ricky smoking in their apartments? now, i can't even find a single cigarette commercial on american TV.. whores are ok though, BUT NO SMOKING!!

second, it just makes sense that some establishments ban smoking.. hospitals are on top of the list.. if you work for a hospital and you do smoke, i believe there is a parking lot you can go to to have a drag.. if you are a smoker and a hospital won't hire you because of it, you have a possible lawsuit against the hospital in your hands.. amusement park, beaches, restaurants, etc should ban smoking because of children.. i use to smoke, and i go out of my way to avoid children..

it's really up to the establishments to make, enforce and uphold their own policies..

There are smoking on some tv shows and movies through.I am going to go look for the link that stays PA Hospitals will not hire any smokers and I don't think that is right.

“A person who smokes should not be working in a heath care institution on a new hire basis, that’s the way we approached it,” said Cleveland Clinic’s Medical Director of Employee Health Dr. Paul Terpeluk. “Health care workers need to exemplify what it is like to be healthy and that's what we're doing.”

In just the past eight months, Gwinnett Medical Center and DeKalb Medical Center, both in metro Atlanta, have implemented a similar ban. Emory Healthcare is evaluating its options. Officials there tell Fox News, a decision on a similar policy could come as soon as a week.

“It’s really tough to maintain and hire quality employees so we want to make sure everything we are doing is beneficial not only to the organization but our employees as well,” said Emory spokesperson Lance Skelly. “We’ve talked to our employees about it, we’ve discussed the pros and cons of something like that and we’re also looking at how it’s being implemented elsewhere."

Emory officials are also looking at an increase in health insurance charges for employees who smoke. Some hospitals add a $20 to $50 surcharge per month for smokers covered by employer-paid health insurance.

But Amanda Farahany, an employment law attorney, says the problem with the ban on hiring people who smoke is it monitors what people are doing on their free time as opposed to what people are doing at work.

She also says with a shortage of nurses and medical staff this may not be the best time to do it.

“Hospitals right now have a health crisis with not being able to bring in enough nurses and a lot of nurses smoke," she said. "So, if you’re going to say, we’re not going to bring nurses in, how are we going to deal with the health care issues we have?”

Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/20/smokers-need-not-apply/#ixzz0unh8lXSV

I'm not against health requirements for health workers

are you also against random drug tests then, as they constitute something an employee does at home

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm not against health requirements for health workers

are you also against random drug tests then, as they constitute something an employee does at home

Absolutely. You can't just infringe on people's freedoms in the name of "safety". That's how police states get started.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Absolutely. You can't just infringe on people's freedoms in the name of "safety". That's how police states get started.
So you'd stop people being breathalised?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Absolutely. You can't just infringe on people's freedoms in the name of "safety". That's how police states get started.

I always thought it started with the vilification of the social underclasses and heated racial nationalism

Originally posted by §P0oONY
So you'd stop people being breathalised?

If I want to drive drunk that's my business. The police shouldn't be infringing on my natural right to be drunk or my natural right to drive a car.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If I want to drive drunk that's my business. The police shouldn't be infringing on my natural right to be drunk or my natural right to drive a car.

Or your natural right to kill others, or die yourself.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi

Thank you for the link. I am surprised about Gwinnett and Dekalb. I live in the Altanta Metro Area and I had no idea.

I'm still pondering this one. Employers oft engage in "acceptable" discriminatory practices; I'm not sure if this qualifies.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
No it is a new law that inleast in PA that anyone who smokes can not be hired by the hospital at all.
Can't even be hired? Even if they smoke in the privacy of their own home? Sounds extreme, possibly unconstitutional.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or your natural right to kill others, or die yourself.

They can stay home if they're scared of getting killed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They can stay home if they're scared of getting killed.

They say that the drunk person usually survives an accident. Therefore, maybe we should make it illegal to drive straight?