Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When private industry tries to take of your life it certainly isn't communism.
Not even when the private industries make up their own rules that infringe on national law? It doesn't matter, i was only being facetious. Although, it's definitely no longer a free Republic when your quality of life is decided for you by private industries and the federal government.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I agree. Sensible employers would accomodate non-smokers if they choose to accomodate smokers.As for pubs and bars, I also believe the decision should be up to the business owner, or if he chooses to have both, to have the other room properly placed - that doesn't just include having it properly segregated from non smoking area, but properly ventilated for smokers as well.
yeah I also agree.That was such B.S when they made it a rule you cant smoke inside airports.On the plane I got no problem with that but come on airports? give me a break.and this is coming form someone who is not a smoker. 🙄
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Absolutely. You can't just infringe on people's freedoms in the name of "safety". That's how police states get started.
Except it's only the business owners freedom you are concerned about. What about employees and customers? Getting another job or patronizing another establishment is not always an option.
Obviously you're not aware of how far smoke can travel.
I'm highly allergic to smoke, cigarette smoke in particular, and just the smell of marijuana on someone gives me migraines (seriously, blinding headaches and feeling like I'm going to vomit is not fun). I can generally tell if someone's been within 30 feet of somewhere with a lit cigarette. That stuff smells horribly, and the smoke does carry quite far.
You may claim to be a considerate smoker, but a lot of people are not. I can't even keep track of how many times I enter/leave somewhere and there's a gaggle of people smoking just outside the door...right next to the signs saying they must be at least 15 feet away from any doors.
So yeah. Sorry. I rather enjoy being able to breath.
Originally posted by Peach
Obviously you're not aware of how far smoke can travel.I'm highly allergic to smoke, cigarette smoke in particular, and just the smell of marijuana on someone gives me migraines (seriously, blinding headaches and feeling like I'm going to vomit is not fun). I can generally tell if someone's been within 30 feet of somewhere with a lit cigarette. That stuff smells horribly, and the smoke does carry quite far.
You may claim to be a considerate smoker, but a lot of people are not. I can't even keep track of how many times I enter/leave somewhere and there's a gaggle of people smoking just outside the door...right next to the signs saying they must be at least 15 feet away from any doors.
So yeah. Sorry. I rather enjoy being able to breath.
Ditto. Mine is more psychological than it is medical as I adapted to the smoke as I got older...but it's still nasty stuff....and it smells really bad. I do get nauseated by people that smell strongly of cigs, though.
I’d prefer they be made illegal to smoke in public. I can always use the excuse of children.
Originally posted by Peach
Obviously you're not aware of how far smoke can travel.I'm highly allergic to smoke, cigarette smoke in particular, and just the smell of marijuana on someone gives me migraines (seriously, blinding headaches and feeling like I'm going to vomit is not fun). I can generally tell if someone's been within 30 feet of somewhere with a lit cigarette. That stuff smells horribly, and the smoke does carry quite far.
You may claim to be a considerate smoker, but a lot of people are not. I can't even keep track of how many times I enter/leave somewhere and there's a gaggle of people smoking just outside the door...right next to the signs saying they must be at least 15 feet away from any doors.
So yeah. Sorry. I rather enjoy being able to breath.
fair enough, and it is understandable why you as a consumer may wish to take your business elsewhere, but do you really feel that all businesses must act in accordance to your personal preferences, even at the expense of alienating their target demographic (smokers)?
my general opinion is that non-smoking establishments would probably be the norm, and this trend will continue so long as the current social propoganda against smoking continues, but are you saying that a company who had no interest in you being their customer should create a policy based on your preferences/conditions?
Originally posted by inimalist
but are you saying that a company who had no interest in you being their customer should create a policy based on your preferences/conditions?
*butts in*
YES!
I'd sleep better at night, know that nasty people aren't smoking their nasty tobacky in nasty establishments that I most likely will never visit. 😆
I wish, though. But I do realize how asinine it is to want to force my personal "health" choices on others.
Originally posted by dadudemon
*butts in*YES!
I'd sleep better at night, know that nasty people aren't smoking their nasty tobacky in nasty establishments that I most likely will never visit. 😆
I wish, though. But I do realize how asinine it is to want to force my personal "health" choices on others.
ok, yes, in that light, I'd also be happy if people just plum decided not to smoke
for instance, I don't smoke, and though I don't mind people around me doing so, I wouldn't go to a smoking establishment versus a non-smoking one, all other things being equal.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediIf you work in the same place though you have no choice. And if the employer doesn't want smoking on his premises that's within their rights. Honestly, if someone is for a drug ban at all, cigarettes are surely one of the very first that'd have to go.
Don't go near anyone smoking then that is what I would do if I did not smoke.