Originally posted by NephthysYouTube video
And I think you've lost your way.
Nah. Way Status: [ ]LOST [X]NOT LOST [ ]IN LIMBO [ ]NANI SORE
I loved how incredibly petty Kuvira was when she kicked Wu out of his room.
Actually I just loved Kuvira in general. And the conversations between her and Su and Bolin and Mako.
I loved the Wu and Korra plots as well. I just hope they don't go down the route of "Monarchy is totally great" and stick Wu on the throne for reals.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Says the guy with the Ryuko theme.
Objectively a better character than the one-note Satsuki. 👆
At least Ryuko can claim to not remember her molestation/rape or that it didn't actually happen. Satsuki's lifelong indifference toward being a rape victim is bad writing. 👆
The worst you can pin on Ryuko is the jerkass ball that one time. 🙂
Toph is cool because she's a give-no-fvcks boss, not despite it. Just because she has realistic personality flaws that align with her personality and attitude doesn't make her poorly written.
The problem isn't that she has those flaws. The problem is that they aren't being treated like flaws. Any word Korra gets in on Toph (You know, the girl who covered up her daughter's crime and eventually cracked like an egg and left to become a swamp hermit because she couldn't handle being a shitty parent and police chief) is immediately and easily countered. Meanwhile, Toph's abuse of someone with PTSD is treated as comedy. 👇
It's bad writing, for the worst episode of the season so far.
Let me be clear here and state that I don't think that Toph in the original series' portrayal was poorly-written. She had a lot of that same bitchiness but they weren't idealized as they are here.
Learn to realize that even characters you like can be poorly-written.
I for one hope this portrayal doesn't last the whole season and that it makes Toph cool again. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
Objectively a better character than the one-note Satsuki. 👆At least Ryuko can claim to not remember her molestation/rape or that it didn't actually happen. Satsuki's lifelong indifference toward being a rape victim is bad writing. 👆
The worst you can pin on Ryuko is the jerkass ball that one time. 🙂
Lol.
Satsuki pretty much loathed her mother so I don't know what you mean by indifference. She just didn't let her emotions control or overcome her because that's exactly what Ragyo wanted to accomplish and cuz unbreakable willpower and self-control was practically Satsuki's defining characteristic.
And the fact that she loses her way like 3-5 different times and needs to get snapped out of it over and over.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The problem isn't that she has those flaws. The problem is that they aren't being treated like flaws. Any word Korra gets in on Toph (You know, the girl who covered up her daughter's crime and eventually cracked like an egg and left to become a swamp hermit because she couldn't handle being a shitty parent and police chief) is immediately and easily countered. Meanwhile, Toph's abuse of someone with PTSD is treated as comedy. 👇It's bad writing, for the worst episode of the season so far.
Let me be clear here and state that I don't think that Toph in the original series' portrayal was poorly-written. She had a lot of that same bitchiness but they weren't idealized as they are here.
Learn to realize that even characters you like can be poorly-written.
I for one hope this portrayal doesn't last the whole season and that it makes Toph cool again. 👆
I'm not sure how Toph acting like a douche wasn't treated as a flaw or was idealised. It was like when she smugly disregarded Sokka because he was a non-bender. It was treated as funny, because it was, but I'm fairly sure the writers gave the audience enough credit to assume they'd realise that just because her acting like a dick is funny doesn't make it right.
So.... thanks for proving them wrong I guess?
Toph beating up Korra was simply a retread of Bitter Work, where Toph is generally abusive to Aang until he nuts up. Also Korra was actually there to relearn how to fight and begged her to help, so Toph was just doing exactly what she wanted her to. Plus Korra didn't actually mind. Plus Toph identified both of Korra's problems by the end of the episode.
Me liking Toph has nothing to do with this. You're literally the only one who's had this issue that I've seen. Maybe you should just realise that you have shitty opinions and are stupid and confrontational for no reason.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol.Satsuki pretty much loathed her mother so I don't know what you mean by indifference. She just didn't let her emotions control or overcome her because that's exactly what Ragyo wanted to accomplish and cuz unbreakable willpower and self-control was practically Satsuki's defining characteristic.
And the fact that she loses her way like 3 different times and needs to get snapped out of it over and over.
Ah yes, so now we come to the "Satsuki doesn't have any long-lasting trauma over being a rape victim because she's just that unbreakable" argument. Ignoring that this is offensive on multiple levels to actual rape victims, it still demonstrates that Satsuki is essentially unflappable, with the only vulnerability she's really shown being her uncertainty with what to do with her life in the bonus episode, now that her goal is finally realized. This makes Satsuki almost inhuman, and not relatable. Furthermore, this unfortunately puts Satsuki in close proximity to one of the worst aspects of Kill la Kill. The molestation. You don't put rape or molestation into your show unless you're willing to actually ****ing go the distance and portray the issue in a respectful manner. Satsuki is as stated wholly indifferent to the rape (She hates her mother, but for different reasons, the rape itself is never indicated to have had any lasting effects on her in the series proper, and to pretend otherwise is fanwank). It also doesn't play any part in any aspect of her character arc, or her character in general. Why was it in the show then? The most unflattering interpretation is it was there to titillate. A more flattering but still equally hackneyed and inappropriate is to give Ragyo, the rapist in question, some cheap, mindless heat, which is ignorantly done at the expense of Satsuki's character (And Ragyo's, for that matter). "Look, she's a rapist, she's obviously the villain!", this lazy characterization of Ragyo is also a serious problem with Kill la Kill but I won't get into that here. I've already gone wildly off-topic.
The fact that Ryuko can, in fact, lose her way is what makes her an objectively better character than Satsuki. 👆
There's no tension on whether or not Satsuki can lose her way. It just can't happen, because she's apparently superhumanly immune to trauma of any sort. Whereas Ryuko,
Spoiler:, is still relatively immature, and we fear seeing her lose her way because we know it can happen. "Don't lose your way" fits Ryuko's character so well because she is well-rounded and human enough that it's a possibility. Satsuki doesn't need to be told not to lose her way; losing her way is seemingly impossible. Satsuki, as an actual character, is at her best when interacting with and juxtaposed against Ryuko. I won't say any more than that because I know Aura is reading this thread and I don't want to spoil Kill la Kill for him because I still need to force him to watch it.
the younger sister
I'm not sure how Toph acting like a douche wasn't treated as a flaw or was idealised. It was like when she smugly disregarded Sokka because he was a non-bender. It was treated as funny, because it was, but I'm fairly sure the writers gave the audience enough credit to assume they'd realise that just because her acting like a dick is funny doesn't make it right.So.... thanks for proving them wrong I guess?
Toph beating up Korra was simply a retread of Bitter Work, where Toph is generally abusive to Aang until he nuts up. Also Korra was actually there to relearn how to fight and begged her to help, so Toph was just doing exactly what she wanted her to. Plus Korra didn't actually mind. Plus Toph identified both of Korra's problems by the end of the episode.
"We are supposed to find it funny but still realize it wasn't right, now here's some reasons why it was right."
You've proven my point well enough.
First of all, smugly disregarding Sokka because he's a non-bender isn't nearly the same as constantly putting down and belittling someone who is both physically and mentally ill.
Beating up Korra for training is one thing, but the fact that Toph is being such a **** and treating Korra like shit, only for Korra to not "actually mind" is what makes Toph come off as a Jerk Sue. Toph is being a shithead and calling out Korra on everything, while also easily deflecting the merest accusation that maybe, just maybe, Toph isn't so perfect herself, and thus far the show seems to agree with her.
It's also different from Bitter Work because, well first of all Aang wasn't mentally or physically sick. Second of all, Aang needed Earthbending. Her harsh methods were more necessary then. Here, Korra is chilling with Toph on a quest for personal improvement. Finally, Aang did indeed man up and take his shit back from Toph, at her expense. She wasn't portrayed as infallible, but it was also shown that at least she isn't petty enough to let that get her down and she still felt pride for Aang progressing as a student.
Here she's just a ***** who is bullying a mentally ill person, and apparently the audience is supposed to find this funny and cool.
Nah, she's a Jerk Sue thus far. Hopefully this changes soon. 👆
I wouldn't be surprised if it did.