Originally posted by King Kandy
It doesn't require an astronomical amount of water, because they pour most off. The solutions are made, basically, by making a first solution, then diluting one drop of that solution into a second, and one drop of that into a third. It adds up exponentially, very very fast.
Get this: some remedies are diluted soooo much, that it is unlikely that even 1 molecule remains from the "active" agents.
Originally posted by King Kandy
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This is something that I was already aware of and I could have sworn that I indireclty referred to that, before.
Now, if only I could get you to admit my side...
Do you, King Kandy of KMC, solemnly admit that I was right about the components in some remedies, remaining, even after several dilutions?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Now, if only I could get you to admit my side...Do you, King Kandy of KMC, solemnly admit that I was right about the components in some remedies, remaining, even after several dilutions?
Originally posted by King Kandy
No. The studies posted showed that after the dilution process, the result is always water. You never posted anything that would make me believe otherwise.
So your studies looked at every single molecule, right? awesome
We are talking about probabilities.
Even something diluted over 30 times still has a probability of having something in it other than water.
Much less 6 to 12 times. (here, at these levels, you are very likely to find shit.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
So your studies looked at every single molecule, right? awesomeWe are talking about probabilities.
Even something diluted over 30 times still has a probability of having something in it other than water.
Much less 6 to 12 times. (here, at these levels, you are very likely to find shit.)
At 12C, you have about of 50% chance of there being ONE molecule of the original substance in there.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's not diluted 30 times, it's diluted to 30C, which is 10^-60 the original amount. The probability of anything but water being there is almost unthinkable. At that dilutions, you would need to consume an amount a billion times the mass of the earth to have much of a chance of there being the original substance in it, even a molecule.
That's exactly what I mean by 30 times. 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
At 12C, you have about of 50% chance of there being ONE molecule of the original substance in there.
Yes, I'm aware. 😐
Take a wild guess for why I said 6 to 12 times.
So nothing new to add to the convo, right?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think something that one should also consider, and I haven't heard mentioned before, is the probability of the remedy to appear in a random liter of water. Say if there are 2 molecules of it on average in a liter of water where does that leave us then? HUH? [b]HUH? [/B]
Well, that's thinking about it logically and scientifically. If the "remedies" were actually pharmacologically active, then you'd have a point. Since the homeopaths rely on water memory hokey pokey, it's complete poopiness.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's thinking about it logically and scientifically. If the "remedies" were actually pharmacologically active, then you'd have a point. Since the homeopaths rely on water memory hokey pokey, it's complete poopiness.
But the 1 molecule blah blah thing is already thought of scientifically. You are right if we talk about it homeopathicly, however it doesn't matter in that case because as you said it is some form of water memory, vibration magic crap. The point that there isn't any substance left in the water is moot in that context.
I think it is also important to mention that there are individual molecules of poop in everything, including homeopathic remedies.
If you have paper money, you are in possession of molecules of cocaine.
etc.
The presence, or in this case, statistically improbable though not entirely impossible presence of potentially a single molecule of active ingredient does not really count as the substance being present in the water. If anything, you are much more likely to have whatever substance get into your homeopathic remedy through contamination than through the manufacturing process [ok, probably not, but you get the analogy]
Originally posted by dadudemon
So your studies looked at every single molecule, right? awesome
This is faulty logic. Kandy's point: Studies have shown that there is absolutely no trace of the original substance in the water. And your response is to question if they've tested every molecule? Even if they haven't, it doesn't amount to positive evidence for your assertion, that there is some amount of the original substance. You seem lacking with proper logical backing for your point. Because you've proven nothing, and you haven't even provided evidence against the studies that go against your opinion. You've just called them into question based on nothing but speculation.
You're not substituting evidence in for this potential flaw. You're substituting in a guess.
Originally posted by inimalist
I think it is also important to mention that there are individual molecules of poop in everything, including homeopathic remedies.If you have paper money, you are in possession of molecules of cocaine.
etc.
The presence, or in this case, statistically improbable though not entirely impossible presence of potentially a single molecule of active ingredient does not really count as the substance being present in the water. If anything, you are much more likely to have whatever substance get into your homeopathic remedy through contamination than through the manufacturing process [ok, probably not, but you get the analogy]
That's like almost what I said.