ROTS Darth Sidious Vs. ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi

OK, so we are all agreed that Sidious wins in all three but Kenobi gives him a slight challenge in sabers before being overwhelmed. That is cool, tbh i probably should not have stuck force and all out in, shoulda just left it at sabers.

Is everyone forgetting the direct quote from yoda regarding this match up.....?

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson014
Is everyone forgetting the direct quote from yoda regarding this match up.....?

Originally posted by Galan007
Actually, Yoda's exact words to Obi-Wan were: "To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough you are not."

That statement doesn't imply inferior skill with a lightsaber, it implies inferior power with the force.

No. Sidious is too fast for Kenobi. He gets blitzed just like the B-team.

It's very possible that Sidious would be able to overwhelm Obi-Wan with his speed. But imo, he certainly wouldn't be able to do so as easily as he did with Kit/Agen/Saesee.

Do we actually know how good Kit, Agen and Saesee were, or are going on the fact that because Mace said they are the best then they are the best. Who have they beaten? Anybody of reputation?

Also, if we're going on Mace logic then Obi-Wan is the best swordsmen in the entire Order as he was the only Jedi that Mace said could beat Grevious, including Mace himself.

Agen and Saesee have some sources claiming they are one of the best swordsmen in the order’s history or sth along that lines. Fisto embarrassed Grievous in their duel.

True, but they are claims, any actual evidence?

Darth Malak had sources claiming he was one of the best swordsmen, jedi or sith, of his era but it has been acknowledged by most that his saber skills are still unknown.

He probably was the best, it's just not verified.

I'm not saying that he wasn't, as you say he might well have been. All i am asking is if there are any saber feats for Agen and Saesee.

no feats, but the quote is omniscienty(not perfectly omniscient, but along those lines) that refers to them.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
True, but they are claims, any actual evidence?

Darth Malak had sources claiming he was one of the best swordsmen, jedi or sith, of his era but it has been acknowledged by most that his saber skills are still unknown.

Fisto beating Grievous is NOT a claim, it's canon.

My posts after that only asked for Agen and Saesee proof, sorry if it was not made clear.

So Sids can strike faster than Grievous can per second?

Actually, that may not be so. Hang on, I need to check the perspective of the ROTS novel.

'The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan-but he didn't have to.'

Discuss.

If it helps, this is the indication of perspective-

'This is Obi-Wan Kenobi in the light:'

So the question is: 'Omniscient narrator or Kenobi's perspective?'

I say narrator. That whole book seemed to be one huge narrative, regardless of characters.

definitly narrative there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, that may not be so. Hang on, I need to check the perspective of the ROTS novel.

'The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. [b]No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan-but he didn't have to.'

Discuss.

If it helps, this is the indication of perspective-

'This is Obi-Wan Kenobi in the light:'

So the question is: 'Omniscient narrator or Kenobi's perspective?' [/B]

Does it matter? I highly doubt that Obi Wan would, in this case make a mistake as to roughly how fast Grevious moves if he's seeing it with his own eyes.

If its Kenobi, then he's fallible and can be wrong (and would be, since Sidious is logically faster than Grievous and Kenobi's never seen his speed so he can stfu), but if its the Omniscient narrator then Grievous is legit faster than Sidious will ever be, and by the sound of it, by a hell of alot.

The last time you and I discussed the general's speed against Kenobi's, I told you that I think the statement could refer to one's natural speed, not Force-powered.