ROTS Darth Sidious Vs. ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by truejedi
i really doubt Sidious would overwhelm Kenobi with Speed.

Kenobi's form is perfect for deflection of a high-speed opponent.

In sabers only Kenobi has a chance. His Soresu defenses have never been breached, and he is THE master (not A master) of Soresu.

However in an all-out or force contest Kenobi is getting broken so badly its pathetic.

Agreed without question.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm the one who said the whole 20-strikes per second thig is non-canon. He barely even makes 20-strikes at all.

If you can do that then you've proven your case.
Else: stfu

Originally posted by Zampanó
Well then my challenge stands. Find me a still of Grievous doing his speedfeat at Kenobi in which the lightsabers are not a blur.

If you can do that then you've proven your case.
Else: stfu

So you think Sid's speed can give him the win over kenobi in a sabers only battle?

I would like to point out sth: Kenobi beat Grievous in a fashion similar to the fight Fisto won with Grievous, yet we've seen that Fisto lasted few seconds with Sidious?

Originally posted by Zampanó
Well then my challenge stands. Find me a still of Grievous doing his speedfeat at Kenobi in which the lightsabers are not a blur.

If you can do that then you've proven your case.
Else: stfu

I don't really understand your point but does this count?

I've also just watched the scene and I'm pretty sure that Grievous doesn't make 20 strikes before Kenobi cuts off the first hand, which the novel says he does. So yeah.....

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't really understand your point but does this count?

I've also just watched the scene and I'm pretty sure that Grievous doesn't make 20 strikes before Kenobi cuts off the first hand, which the novel says he does. So yeah.....

My point is that everything in the movie is canon, and everything in the book that doesn't contradict the movie is canon. The only reason you think the book is contradicting the movie is that it doesn't seem fast enough. However, given that 20 anythings per second is essentially just "arbitrarily fast," so long as the movie shows the sabers moving quickly enough to cause a blur, it remains canon.

The second thing I wrote does directly contradict the movie though. And that isn't why I think its non-canon.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you think Sid's speed can give him the win over kenobi in a sabers only battle?

He never explicitly stated such. Be careful.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
I would like to point out sth: Kenobi beat Grievous in a fashion similar to the fight Fisto won with Grievous, yet we've seen that Fisto lasted few seconds with Sidious?

So what! that's terrible logic to use when trying to offer up evidence that Kenobi would fall to Sids in a saber only contest. I hope that this isn't what you're trying to get at.

I'm not claiming anything, though its interesting that Fisto can beat "20-strikes-per-second" Grievous /shrug

But as to the fight, I feel that Kenobi has a chance in pure bladework. In force and all-out he gets crushed.

It's rather unfortunate that there is no such thing as pure bladework. Kenobi owed his defense against Grievous to the force, without which he would have been cut down instantly. If you are referring to technical skill, then Kenobi goes down hard, seeing as how he is but a master of the simplest form.

Shoes: Generally when we say "sabers-only" we involve the part of the force that guides the blade. Otherwise, NO ONE is a master of anything.

Originally posted by Shoes
It's rather unfortunate that there is no such thing as pure bladework. Kenobi owed his defense against Grievous to the force, without which he would have been cut down instantly. If you are referring to technical skill, then Kenobi goes down hard, seeing as how he is but a master of the simplest form.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Greivous was the Ur example pre being a ******

...uh...yeah...what now?

Originally posted by truejedi
Shoes: Generally when we say "sabers-only" we involve the part of the force that guides the blade. Otherwise, NO ONE is a master of anything.

Originally posted by truejedi
In sabers only Kenobi has a chance. His Soresu defenses have never been breached, and he is THE master (not A master) of Soresu.

Unbreachable? Anakin kicked him in the face barely ten seconds into the fight at Mustafar.

Sure he is good, but perfect? Nah.

A boot to the chest (not face) is not a lightsaber to the chest. Hence: unbreachable (when it counts).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
A boot to the chest (not face) is not a lightsaber to the chest. Hence: unbreachable (when it counts).

So it only works against lightsabers now? Kicks, strangle holds, punches and so on do not count, how convinient.

20 strikes per second by a cyborg Jedi killer and he lives.

A kick to the chest by the man he spent 13 years sparring with and fighting beside, and he lived.

Yeah, I'd call that unbreached.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Unbreachable? Anakin kicked him in the face barely ten seconds into the fight at Mustafar.

Sure he is good, but perfect? Nah.

You are surely kidding, right? Soresu deflects the opponent's blade, I would have thought you would know this?

Also, the kicks and punches on Mustafar were part of Kenobi "giving ground" and he did so willingly. He did so because "to strike Anakin down would fill his heart with ash." that much is made indisputably clear from the novelization..