Originally posted by kgkg
Bill has made a 360 shield to hold a blast capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe? I wasn't aware scan?Even if the shield could hold Bill will still always be on the defense if Surfer used a similar tactic. Considering a close of shot from Strombreaker did absolutely nothing to hurt the Surfer.
Well it was Thor's feat, however stormbreaker is equal to mjolnir.
Ask rage for scans, I'm not entirely sure how the scan system works.
Originally posted by amnesiaThe Thor one I have seen... I don't see how it's applicable in this fight though.
Well it was Thor's feat, however stormbreaker is equal to mjolnir.Ask rage for scans, I'm not entirely sure how the scan system works.
Thor had to whirl his hammer and crate a vortex < don't see how he will pull this off when he Bill had to stop Surfer blacks with SB> plus Thor or anybody doing a feat like that today is unlikely.
Originally posted by kgkgHis shields would hold, I have no doubt of that.
Even if the shield could hold Bill will still always be on the defense if Surfer used a similar tactic.Considering a close of shot from Strombreaker did absolutely nothing to hurt the Surfer.
Bill's physical attacks still knocked the bejesus out of Surfer. That's likely why Surfer chose to cheap shot Bill from behind, as before that he was gaining no headway whatsoever.
Originally posted by Galan007 His shields would hold, I have no doubt of that.Based on what? I'm sure he can block with SB but I don't see how a 360 shield will hold attacks from Surfer. Even if they are powerful enough to hold his blast Bill still can't go on the offensive.
Originally posted by Galan007 Bill's physical attacks still knocked the bejesus out of Surfer.Which did absolutely nothing...Surfer seemed unhurt... While bill on the other hand went down rather quickly
Originally posted by Galan007 That's likely why Surfer chose to cheap shot Bill from behind, as before that he was gaining no headway whatsoever.Bill was running... and Surfer was trying to talk sense into him when he realized this did not work he decided to put him down. He did what he had to I mean Bill knew Surfer was out of his board and he didn't think the board can be used as a weapon? Common now
All things considered it even looked like Surfer was actually holding back. Surfer even tells him that he cannot match him so it's better to give up.
Surfer was clearly shown as his superior in BRB own book.
Originally posted by kgkgOnly after Surfer used his board to cheap shot Bill. Before that, Surfer could gain no ground. That is exactly how their battle went down... And FYI, Bill wasn't "running" from Surfer. He was simply trying to reach a certain planet before Galactus did, so that he could destroy it (thus further starving Galactus.)
Surfer was clearly shown as his superior in BRB own book.
Regardless, why teh fvck are we debating Surfer?
Originally posted by Galan007😎
I don't know where you got this from, but it sure wasn't from the same issue where an OMAC KO'd Eradicator (Superman #220.) Steel is the one who initiated a JLA distress signal, and that was because Erads had gone berzerk and owned him. Additionally, that issue never mentions Erads being "sunlight starved" -- in fact, all of his battles took place in the sunlight.The only time Erads was able to subdue Majestic at all was when he went 'full' fortress mode:
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/erad1.jpg/But even with those upgrades, Majestic was still able to cut through his armor with HV (a point which you neglected to address):
http://img844.imageshack.us/i/erad2.jpg/Sorry, but if Majestic's HV can cut through Eradicator's upgraded armor that easily, then Bill's blasts could as well.
Has Eradicator absorbed high-level, magic-based attacks (of which Stormbreaker produces)? I only remember him absorbing energy from the FoS, and the sun. If he has, can you please provide a source?
And your opinion that Eradicator has more powers than Bill is moot whether he does or not. Why? Because regardless of how many powers Erads has, Bill has shown, time and time again, that he is able to block/shield against high-level attacks from the likes of Surfer, Thor, Stardust, the Skrull Godkiller, etc. Furthermore, Bill has shown the offensive capability to take down B&T Thor (who owned Surfer with ease) after he got angry/serious. So yeah...
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't know where you got this from, but it sure wasn't from the same issue where an OMAC KO'd Eradicator (Superman #220.) Steel is the one who initiated a JLA distress signal, and that was because Erads had gone berzerk and owned him. Additionally, that issue never mentions Erads being "sunlight starved" -- in fact, all of his battles took place in the sunlight.
I guess that you missed the part where Steel found him buried alive, damaged, and shielded in lead to the point where even Superman couldn't find him. The only sunlight he got (while still damaged) he pretty much used up as he attacked Supes/Conner.
Originally posted by Galan007
The only time Erads was able to subdue Majestic at all was when he went 'full' fortress mode:
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/erad1.jpg/But even with those upgrades, Majestic was still able to cut through his armor with HV (a point which you neglected to address):
http://img844.imageshack.us/i/erad2.jpg/Sorry, but if Majestic's HV can cut through Eradicator's upgraded armor that easily, then Bill's blasts could as well.
Sorry dude. FULL fortress mode looks more like this:
The "mini" version that Majestic got was far from "FULL" fortress mode. You see in my scans that Supes HV and David Connors attacks together barely did anything in that mode and Erads in another instance wrecked Apolokips. Futhermore, You forgot to add where Majestic admitted that he was trying to stop Erads from killing him.
All Maj did was use his powers to initiate multiversal awareness into Erads who was overwhelmed by the sudden overload of data and left. Erads was about to kill him (using one hand and still not even at full transformation.) There wasn't even any damage done to Eradicator while Majestics ribs were about to be crushed.
If Bill somehow acquires knowledge of Kryptonian tech, X-ray vision, surgical skill and precision, close range, Eradicator forgets his powers, and some luck..then just maybe your scenario may pan out.
Originally posted by Galan007
Has Eradicator absorbed high-level, magic-based attacks (of which Stormbreaker produces)? I only remember him absorbing energy from the FoS, and the sun. If he has, can you please provide a source?
Energy is just that..energy. To be fair, I'd have to go dig for the scan which states that Eradicator is a master of all forms of energy. In the meanwhile..he could easily take care of Bill like this:
Or Erad can:
Mindrape.
Transmute.
Take control of his bionetics.
Use offensive T-vo.
Etc.
Do you have any scans/references of Beta being able to stop these types of attacks?
Originally posted by Galan007
And your opinion that Eradicator has more powers than Bill is moot whether he does or not. Why? Because regardless of how many powers Erads has, Bill has shown, time and time again, that he is able to block/shield against high-level attacks from the likes of Surfer, Thor, Stardust, the Skrull Godkiller, etc. Furthermore, Bill has shown the offensive capability to take down B&T Thor (who owned Surfer with ease) after he got angry/serious. So yeah...
In a straight H2H, I would give it to BRB simply because Erads is not a H2H fighter. However, going all out without CIS? BRB would be hard pressed to get around Erads multitude of options. Why would he have to blast Bill when he could simply shut off his bionic portions? Mind rape him, go FULL Fortress (not mini fortress), go intangible and burn him with every touch?
You also haven't addressed Bill losing to Champion...the same Champion who was easily owned by She-Hulk.
Originally posted by AvlonBeing buried for a while =/= sunlight starvation. If Erads was truly as power emaciated as you said, then it's unlikely that he would have been able to contend with Supes/Connor like he did.
I guess that you missed the part where Steel found him buried alive, damaged, and shielded in lead to the point where even Superman couldn't find him. The only sunlight he got (while still damaged) he pretty much used up as he attacked Supes/Conner.
Originally posted by AvlonSorry for the terminology miscommunication. I wasn't sure what exactly to call that 'version' of Erads. It's moot regardless. My only point was that Majestic's HV was still sufficient to cut through his upgraded armor.
Sorry dude. FULL fortress mode looks more like this:The "mini" version that Majestic got was far from "FULL" fortress mode. You see in my scans that Supes HV and David Connors attacks together barely did anything in that mode and Erads in another instance wrecked Apolokips. Futhermore, You forgot to add where Majestic admitted that he was trying to stop Erads from killing him.
Originally posted by AvlonI don't think you're understanding me. I am not saying that Bill can rewrite Erads like Majestic did. I'm saying that if Majestic's HV can easily burn through Erads, Bill's blasts certainly could as well.
All Maj did was use his powers to initiate multiversal awareness into Erads who was overwhelmed by the sudden overload of data and left. Erads was about to kill him (using one hand and still not even at full transformation.) There wasn't even any damage done to Eradicator while Majestics ribs were about to be crushed.
Originally posted by AvlonBill has to have all of this info just to blast a hole in Erads?
If Bill somehow acquires knowledge of Kryptonian tech, X-ray vision, surgical skill and precision, close range, Eradicator forgets his powers, and some luck..then just maybe your scenario may pan out.
Originally posted by AvlonMagical energy is almost always treated differently than 'normal' energy. That said, unless Erads has actually manipulated magical energies, then why should I assume he can/would here?
Energy is just that..energy. To be fair, I'd have to go dig for the scan which states that Eradicator is a master of all forms of energy.
Originally posted by AvlonThere's been a few times where attempts have been made (unsuccessfully) to mindrape Bill, and/or overtake his cybernetics. The Asgardian enchantments melted with Bill's vessel prevented that.
Or Erad can:Mindrape.
Transmute.
Take control of his bionetics.
Use offensive T-vo.
Etc.Do you have any scans/references of Beta being able to stop these types of attacks?
Furthermore, has this version of Erads used those types of powers? Becuase iirc, this Erads wasn't known for using his abilities to their best.
Originally posted by Avlona.) Who said anything about no CIS? Versus characters always fight in character.
However, going all out without CIS?BRB would be hard pressed to get around Erads multitude of options. Why would he have to blast Bill when he could simply shut off his bionic portions? Mind rape him,
go FULL Fortress (not mini fortress), go intangible and burn him with every touch?
b.) I addressed the technopathy/mindrape options above.
c.) As for Erads going full fortress mode in this battle, I was unaware that would be an option for him. I thought this was strictly the red/black version (specified by the OP pic.)
Originally posted by AvlonI am not of the opinion that She-Hulk is > Bill, so I don't know what you want me to address..?
You also haven't addressed Bill losing to Champion...the same Champion who was easily owned by She-Hulk.
Originally posted by Galan007If Bill wasn't moving on a speeding Skuttlebutt, he would have been a still target, and wouldn't have been able to block nearly as many attacks IMO.
Only after Surfer used his board to cheap shot Bill. Before that, Surfer could gain no ground. That is exactly how their battle went down... And FYI, Bill wasn't "running" from Surfer. He was simply trying to reach a certain planet before Galactus did, so that he could destroy it (thus further starving Galactus.)Regardless, why teh fvck are we debating Surfer?
Anyway, Bill wins here.
Originally posted by Galan007
Being buried for a while =/= sunlight starvation. If Erads was truly as power emaciated as you said, then it's unlikely that he would have been able to contend with Supes/Connor like he did.
It's right in the scan, buried/damaged. Buried to the point where even Supes didn't find him would be pretty sunlight starved.
No matter how you spin it.. Eradicator was not at 100% mentally of physically in that book. As someone who read it, you know it as well as I do.
Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry for the terminology miscommunication. I wasn't sure what exactly to call that 'version' of Erads. It's moot regardless. My only point was that Majestic's HV was still sufficient to cut through his upgraded armor.
Moot point only because it doesn't suit your debate. You claimed "Full Fortress" and I showed you that your example obviously wasn't so. Got it? Glad we're good now.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think you're understanding me. I am not saying that Bill can rewrite Erads like Majestic did. I'm saying that if Majestic's HV can easily burn through Erads, Bill's blasts certainly could as well.Bill has to have all of this info just to blast a hole in Erads?
I could have sworn there was a scan of Eradicator going intangible and burning Supermans face with a touch. Damn. Guess you missed it.
It would be kind of hard to blast someone who can go intangible and yet still attack you with enough power to burn any version of Supermans skin with a touch.
Originally posted by Galan007
Magical energy is almost always treated differently than 'normal' energy.
Useless and opinionated conjecture and an entirely different debate since this isn't even remotely true...especially when it's the standard blast here and there superhero fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
There's been a few times where attempts have been made (unsuccessfully) to mindrape Bill, and/or overtake his cybernetics. The Asgardian enchantments melted with Bill's vessel prevented that.
How powerful were these mindrapers? Eradicator has overriden mental control from Maxima, Braniac, Darkseid, ect...
Who tried and failed to control Bills Cybernetics?
Is there a solid example or Bill resisting transmutation of any sort?
Originally posted by Galan007
Furthermore, has this version of Erads used those types of powers? Becuase iirc, this Erads wasn't known for using his abilities to their best.
You mean that the supporting character didn't use all his abilities vs the main one in his own title? Damn! What a surprise!
Moot point. He's used the abilities more than once and this this a forum battle.
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Who said anything about no CIS? Versus characters always fight in character.b.) I addressed the technopathy/mindrape options above.
c.) As for Erads going full fortress mode in this battle, I was unaware that would be an option for him. I thought this was strictly the red/black version (specified by the OP pic.)
Actually you didn't address it. You basically said "it kinda happened in some issue sometime and someplace by someone"... pretty moot.
As for "Full fortress" why wouldn't it be an option? He used it to full effect with no problem in the Apokolips now. No extra powerup needed.
Originally posted by Galan007
I am not of the opinion that She-Hulk is > Bill, so I don't know what you want me to address..?
The fact that all characters have low showings particularly when it's not their book. An Omac (whose power levels were all over the place in that era) Ko'd an already damaged Eradicator.
Bill was KO'd by a guy who got his ass whipped by She-Hulk in the same book. By coincidence..it was...her book.
We could go around in circles all day, but unlike many here I do not have that type of patience. Bottom line is at the top of their game and IMO Eradicator has the edge. You feel the need to disagree? That's fine.
Dismissed and have a nice day. 🙂
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