Beta Ray Bill vs. Eradicator

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What defense does Erads have against Matter and Energy manip?

Nice, the old question with a question scheme....

Eradicator has manipulated the dna of entire civilizations of alien races, turned stone into a kryptonian body, supernova'd the sun, turned a brick building into a highly advanced and working kryptonian structure... ect.

What examples does Bill have in this department?

Here is one or Eradicator just for kicks.

And Matrix mindraped by Eradicator. She had to leave the planet to escape his influence.

ppl need to stay current with the characters especially with DCU due to retcons and rewrites of the characters.. plus the damn numerable crisis that are meant to get rid of past history and feats,,

Originally posted by King Castle
ppl need to stay current with the characters especially with DCU due to retcons and rewrites of the characters.. plus the damn numerable crisis that arent to get rid of past history and feats,,

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what he posted is valid.

Originally posted by King Castle
ppl need to stay current with the characters especially with DCU due to retcons and rewrites of the characters.. plus the damn numerable crisis that arent to get rid of past history and feats,,

Everything I posted is valid to the character...especially once all of Eradicator versions merged.

The only thing that has changed as far as I am aware is that there were also military units called "Eradicators" after IC.

from what i recall eradicator secondary retcon when superman died.. eradicator no longer had full energy manipulation and his memory was missing..

then the third retcon he was merged by a scientist sharing the mind but the human was dominant personality..

not sure how they continued to retcon the character but a lot of the feats during that time eradicator wasnt aware of due to damage memory and lack of knowledge..

does the current eradicator back to being the pre- crisis story lvls with knowledge and personalities and no longer hampered with the various retcon to his character?

seriously, i am asking

Originally posted by "Id"
If I am not mistaken, Bill can tag intangible foes given that Stardust attempted to pull the same trick, and suddenly found himself hammer bashed.

I don't recall Stardust doing the same thing that Eradicator did to Superman at all.

Needless to say...if Stardust would have done the same thing..it probably would have gone better for him/her/it.

intangibility dont mean squat to a magic hammer...

anyways....

that tank trick matter manipulation i doubt would work on a highly advance alien cybernetic life form who happens to also have a magic construct hybridized body with a magic hammer...

BRB would simply negate the energy attempt to manipulate him via just telling the hammer what it wants without talking or twisting it in front of him.. or drawing out eradicators energy based body into the hammer.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6361/stormbreaker0317.jpg

Originally posted by King Castle
from what i recall eradicator secondary retcon when superman died.. eradicator no longer had full energy manipulation and his memory was missing..

That version of Eradicator turned stone into a fully working kryptonian body and manipulated kryptonite energy to power up Superman.

Originally posted by King Castle
then the third retcon he was merged by a scientist sharing the mind but the human was dominant personality..

That was Dr. David Connor. However, later story lines showed that the original program never died, it simply had the power to absorb others memories into itself.

Originally posted by King Castle
does the current eradicator back to being the pre- crisis story lvls with knowledge and personalities and no longer hampered with the various retcon to his character?

seriously, i am asking

There is no pre-crisis Eradicator that I am aware of. Pre-infinity crisis David merged back with Kem-EL (the original program) and even managed to absorb memories from Davids wife along the way.

The last version of Eradicator is all the versions in with the original programming back in charge. Experience has just made him a little nicer but still easily pissed off.

Originally posted by "Id"

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6361/stormbreaker0317.jpg

3rd panel they were both solid and had contact with each other.

That last panel looks like the hammer missed..not like it went through him.

Originally posted by King Castle
intangibility dont mean squat to a magic hammer...

anyways....

A magic hammer don't mean squat if you don't have arms to swing them with after being turned to a slug. 🙂 Better yet, Mind raping Bill to smash his own head with his own hammer.

Originally posted by King Castle
that tank trick matter manipulation i doubt would work on a highly advance alien cybernetic life form who happens to also have a magic construct hybridized body with a magic hammer...

Is this an opinion of is there proof of this? I've never seen Bill do anything remotely appearing to be such advanced matter manip.

Originally posted by King Castle
BRB would simply negate the energy attempt to manipulate him via just telling the hammer what it wants without talking or twisting it in front of him.. or drawing out eradicators energy based body into the hammer.

If that was the case then his battles with Stardust and Surfer would have gone a whole different direction then, wouldn't they?

look the hammer can miss intangible beings if it is not attuned or charged to hit it..

its the whole spill of them... they make a conscious effort to command the hammer to do something..

if BRB misses the 1st time and brings it back knowing the enemy was intangible a simple mental command to the hammer would let him hit him in the second swing.

that scan i agree that stardust simply made herself tangible.. or could simply have just made parts of her intangible either way BRB wants to hit her he is going to once he finds out she is intangible.

Originally posted by King Castle
look the hammer can miss intangible beings if it is not attuned or charged to hit it..

If you saw my scan, you saw how quickly Erads went intangible and then with a simple touch burned Supermans face. Bills face is a far bigger target and being blinded in such a manner would not be advantageous in a battle.

Originally posted by King Castle
its the whole spill of them... they make a conscious effort to command the hammer to do something..

Erads can also consciously do a lot of things. That is the point. I haven't seen any scans yet of Bill resisting matter manip from someone who can perform it on Eradicators level.

Originally posted by King Castle
if BRB misses the 1st time and brings it back knowing the enemy was intangible a simple mental command to the hammer would let him hit him in the second swing.

Missing an attack on someone with kryptonian+ abilities is never advised.

Originally posted by King Castle
that scan i agree that stardust simply made herself tangible.. or could simply have just made parts of her intangible either way BRB wants to hit her he is going to once he finds out she is intangible.

I have never seen Stardust burn someone with just a touch and causing the type of damage that the Eradicator has.

Originally posted by Avlon
Bill was KO'd by a guy who got his ass whipped by She-Hulk in the same book. By coincidence..it was...her book.

Originally posted by Avlon
Dismissed and have a nice day.

Thus I bid thee good day. 🙂

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Bill wasn't moving on a speeding Skuttlebutt, he would have been a still target, and wouldn't have been able to block nearly as many attacks IMO.

Anyway, Bill wins here.

Avlon: Did you not notice that you didn't even answer the question I posed? Or should we all assume that in your hastily drawn list of feats/scans was just you trying to deflect from the fact that I turned that other poster's shallow inquiry back onto him?

Amirite or amirite? vin

Originally posted by Galan007
Skuttlebutt moving through space didn't have an effect on Bill's ability to block Surfer's energy attacks, doh.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Which wouldn't have happened had he not been on Scuttlebutt.

I have changed my mind, Bill wins.