Anyone read History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi?

Originally posted by socool8520
Coming from you this means very little. lol

No he wasn't. Lugh simply implied that Beserker's style would have actually made a better (more exciting) fight against Takeda's boxing. If anything, Lugh was implying that his grappling skills would make him superior to Beserker and the other disciples in regards to fighting Takeda. In fact, Ryuuto states that Kensei said that Lugh would have the greatest potential of being a ki master. If anyone is getting accoladeds, it's Lugh.

He called it a genius move....big deal. Kenichi has countered everything Beserker's been doing save for when he is distracted by the Miu and Rimi fight.

Yes he was, you clearly are lacking in reading comprehension, and that you could have responded to this without actually countering anything is impressive.

No shit Lugh said that Takeda would do better against Berserker, and that Lugh would beat Takeda more easily than the other disciples. I just said that. But when he brought up Berserker, he placed more emphasis that "even Berserker" would have a harder time with Takeda, implying that, in terms of overall prowess, Berserker is numero uno. "Even", used as an adverb like now, is used to emphasize something surprising. Why else would Takeda having a better fight against Berserker be surprising?

Lugh was said to be the shit in terms of control over his ki, sure.

But Berserker is noted to also have potential.

Despite it being unrefined, using his Dou Ki he straight up negated Ryuusei Seikuken. This is a feat even Shou Kano couldn't manage.

Berserker has also been paying attention to the Miu vs. Rimi fight, though it seems you were not paying attention to Berserker.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/7

"If he had attacked me it would've been bad!"

Berserker could have ****ed him up right away.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/9

Notice how Berserker is overwhelming Kenichi.

Also:

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/512/7

Berserker: ... Interesting technique.

Lawl.

So, basically, you have shit for evidence. STFU and GTFO until you have real evidence.

Also, reported to Zardoz and St. Patrick.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nemebro is most likely correct. However, until he (Nemebro) is proven right, I choose to agree with your argument, socool8520.

I'm not saying Beserker isn't a good fighter or even considered strong, that much WAS implied. I just disagree the degree of implication that Beserker is no. 1. To me, it seemed like Lugh was talking himself up, not the others. Not to mention Ryuuto talking Lugh up.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It should mean a lot. I have exquisite taste.

Yes he was, you clearly are lacking in reading comprehension, and that you could have responded to this without actually countering anything is impressive.

No shit Lugh said that Takeda would do better against Berserker, and that Lugh would beat Takeda more easily than the other disciples. I just said that. But when he brought up Berserker, he placed more emphasis that "even Berserker" would have a harder time with Takeda, implying that, in terms of overall prowess, Berserker is numero uno. "Even", used as an adverb like now, is used to emphasize something surprising. Why else would Takeda having a better fight against Berserker be surprising?

Lugh was said to be the shit in terms of control over his ki, sure.

But Berserker is noted to also have potential.

Despite it being unrefined, using his Dou Ki he straight up negated Ryuusei Seikuken. This is a feat even Shou Kano couldn't manage.

Berserker has also been paying attention to the Miu vs. Rimi fight, though it seems you were not paying attention to Berserker.

Being stronger than a man in a wheelchair......Man that Beserker is a beast. 😆 Atalantae had already unleashed her dou ki before beserker, so it looks like Lugh was wrong, although in his defense, he didn't know that yet. Not to mention that Rimi was fighting on par with Miu, something not even Kenichi can do.

Never said he didn't have potential. Just that he wasn't the best.

No, but Shou just utterly out performed Kenichi in every other category save for endurance. Kenichi could hardly, if at all, block Kano's attacks. A far cry from what he is doing against Besrker.

Please....He has not been nearly as distracted by that fight as Kenichi has.

Sorry, I didn't post scans...I assumed you read all the pages, not just the pro Beserker ones. lol

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c500/15.html
There's Kenichi dodging all of his attacks. He wasn't doing this to Shou.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c503/10.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c503/11.html
There he is overpowering Beserker.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c511/4.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c513/6.html
Still evaded when he wasn't paying attention

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c511/8.html
Evaded again

You could call it a struggle if you want, but it is nothing like the clean hits he has taken from other fights.

I love Ogata..."Today is such a good day when two martial artists tag team me in vain." completely ignoring the girl that just died from testing out one of his techniques.

Needless to say, Kenichi and Ryuto's combo was impressive.

that's just how Ogata is. and the fans like him for it since that's how guys like him are supposed to be.

it definitely was a good combo. just goes to show that despite having not seen each other in some time, the two are still good friends and it shows in their attacks.

If they really do manage to do anything to Ogata I'll be annoyed.

That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.

That would be pretty cool, actually.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If they really do manage to do anything to Ogata I'll be annoyed.

That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.

I agree. Ogata should be way, way out of their league. Hell, Diego Carlo should be way out of their league. lol However, their teamwork is impressive. I'm sure Ogata is going to want to see how Ryuuto is able to balance both ki types, even if only for 30 seconds. If he has figured it out to that degree, then Ogata should be able to do it for longer, or even master it.

As the main villains, sure...Of the series, nah. I guess I just get attached to the main character, but I like Kenichi. His continued development, both physically and mentally, have me on his side. Ryuuto is a cool I guess, but his reasons for fighting seem a bit weak to me. Ogata is a very interesting person though. It's probably because I don't see him as wholely evil. I still like Hongo better though.

I agree with you on these points. chances are though, given Ogata's status as an elite master, he probably somehow managed to block that last attack of Ryuto's. even if it did land, however unlikely, Ogata probably won't be that fazed.

and Ryuto while cool, isn't as cool a character as Kenichi as I too find his continual growth to be a great point of hte series. and Ogata isn't exactly evil, he just follows the Satsujinken path as he seems to believe that will further allow him to improve and better martial arts, which he loves with all his heart, unlike Hongo who seems to be motivated solely by promises.

I'm sure Ogata will block it. He'll probably compliment Ryuuto a little and then dominate them both. Although, Kenichi was able to touch him, so Ryuuto with both Ki types could feasibly tag him I guess. Of course this is because Ogata isn't even trying in most respects.

yeah. Ryuto is already tough enough to be in YOMI so with the Gedou technique, he should possibly be above most disciple level opponents. and since Kenichi did manage to touch Ogata, chances are he'll let them go since he finds them so interesting.

Originally posted by socool8520
I agree. Ogata should be way, way out of their league. Hell, Diego Carlo should be way out of their league. lol However, their teamwork is impressive. I'm sure Ogata is going to want to see how Ryuuto is able to balance both ki types, even if only for 30 seconds. If he has figured it out to that degree, then Ogata should be able to do it for longer, or even master it.

As the main villains, sure...Of the series, nah. I guess I just get attached to the main character, but I like Kenichi. His continued development, both physically and mentally, have me on his side. Ryuuto is a cool I guess, but his reasons for fighting seem a bit weak to me. Ogata is a very interesting person though. It's probably because I don't see him as wholely evil. I still like Hongo better though.

Yep.

Nah, they're more interesting. Kenichi as a protagonist could only work for so long before you start seeing the flaws in the design. I.e Kenichi doesn't really have many flaws as a character really. He's supposed to be a surrogate for the audience(since the original intent of this series seemed to be to show kids the awesomness of martial arts) but also too decent and talented for the readers to see themselves in the character. An everyman and a role model are two character types that have difficulty blending together already(not gonna say it's impossible) but keeping it up for 500 chapters is ridiculous.

Sho Kano disappointed me.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yep.

Nah, they're more interesting. Kenichi as a protagonist could only work for so long before you start seeing the flaws in the design. I.e Kenichi doesn't really have many flaws as a character really. He's supposed to be a surrogate for the audience(since the original intent of this series seemed to be to show kids the awesomness of martial arts) but also too decent and talented for the readers to see themselves in the character. An everyman and a role model are two character types that have difficulty blending together already(not gonna say it's impossible) but keeping it up for 500 chapters is ridiculous.

Meh.. I'm not tired of Kenichi personally. I prefer someone who cares for others and gets stronger for the sake of protecting others, and not more selfish reasons. A guy that is determined, and fights through obstacles with will and hard work. Thus, I'm usually gonna side with the good guys.

You seem not to get it. Flaws do not make a character bad or "selfish". They make the character human. Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo all have flaws but on the whole are really decent individuals. Kenichi is simply lacking flaws next to them.

eh well Kenichi does have his own flaws, but they're not as pronounced as other shonen characters. for one thing his refusal to fight girls. while admirable in its own way the girls he ends up fighting are trying to kill him for crying out loud. in situations like that, I think it's perfectly fine to fight back. not to mention every now and then he has his moments of fear and all that. there are a few other minor flaws too if I think on it,but that's also what I think appeals to fans as he does work to overcome said flaws.

^ Good points. he also has the obsession with Miu. He tends to underestimate people he thinks he is stronger than which ends badly for him. He doesn't go all out from the get go which causes him to be pummeled early due to his passive nature.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You seem not to get it. Flaws do not make a character bad or "selfish". They make the character human. Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo all have flaws but on the whole are really decent individuals. Kenichi is simply lacking flaws next to them.

I was simply stating why I like the character, not wheteher he was flawed, although I do think he has them. I don't see the lack of flaws being a big issue, but obviously we differ on what flaws are anyways. I don't quite get your reasoning though. If you fight just to annihilate others like many of the characters do, that is a flaw AND it's selfish. It can be both.

Originally posted by danteiscool
eh well Kenichi does have his own flaws, but they're not as pronounced as other shonen characters. for one thing his refusal to fight girls. while admirable in its own way the girls he ends up fighting are trying to kill him for crying out loud. in situations like that, I think it's perfectly fine to fight back. not to mention every now and then he has his moments of fear and all that. there are a few other minor flaws too if I think on it,but that's also what I think appeals to fans as he does work to overcome said flaws.

Not fighting girls is lame but it's a flaw you will never see him overcome because he never hits girls. And what few moments of fear he has are unjustified. He has curbed the majority of his opposition so him being a scaredy cat makes little sense.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ Good points. he also has the obsession with Miu. He tends to underestimate people he thinks he is stronger than which ends badly for him. He doesn't go all out from the get go which causes him to be pummeled early due to his passive nature.

His obsession with Miu is never treated as a problem because it's a teenaged boy with a crush. That isn't a fault lol. The only person Kenichi ever gets that confident against is Shinnosuke and he hasn't been in the manga for years, making the flaw rather irrelevant. And his "slow to start" fighting style is counterbalanced by him having the most durability of all of the disciples. He never has to work on it really.

Originally posted by socool8520
I was simply stating why I like the character, not wheteher he was flawed, although I do think he has them. I don't see the lack of flaws being a big issue, but obviously we differ on what flaws are anyways. I don't quite get your reasoning though. If you fight just to annihilate others like many of the characters do, that is a flaw AND it's selfish. It can be both.

You seemed to imply that Kenichi being a goody good made him better than otherwise selfish characters. Luffy, Naruto, and Ichigo are all selfish in their own ways but all are still more likable heroes than Kenichi due to their flaws.