Originally posted by Daredevil1
The Big G power level varies drastically on his hunger.
That's correct he's been owned by the likes of Thor and Odin. Stalemated by Ego, punked by Tyrant, and beaten into submission by Aegis and Tenebrous.
None of the above mentioned beings would even threaten, let alone defeat, the least of the Celestials.
Some days he captures Pheonix against her will and starts feeding off of her(G only lets her go because he notices the stars start dying.)
This is absolutely wrong. Rachel Summers, who was the Phoenix Avatar at the time, WILLINGLY submitted herself to Galactus stating that a battle between them would destroy the very world she was there to protect.
And he wasn't killing the Phoenix or Rachel, he was separating the Phoenix from it's Host (and only because she willingly submitted herself to the process), the only casualty was Creation itself as Death made this clear on panel. Galactus even stated that he feeds on worlds to survive but Phoenix would consume all existence. Death said he was correct but from that destruction, the Phoenix would bring about new life.
The Celestial have had problems with Thor to even there counter power Sue Richards and were owned by Phoenix once IIRC.
The Celestials have NEVER been owned. EVER. Not including the Infinity Gauntlet or the HotU or the U.N.
Arshiem withstood an attack by the 3 most powerful skyfathers without flinching! He didn't move or even acknowledge them. Then in retaliation he threatened to obliterate the portals connecting their worlds to Earth if they didn't submit. Next panel they were kneeling before him like insects. Considering Odin and Thor have made Galactus flee with his tail between his legs, this is quite a feat.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's correct he's been owned by the likes of Thor and Odin. Stalemated by Ego, punked by Tyrant, and beaten into submission by Aegis and Tenebrous.None of the above mentioned beings would even threaten, let alone defeat, the least of the Celestials.
Thor 'defeated' a hungry (he was about to feed) and exhausted (he was in battle with Ego) Galactus in a comic that is now nearly 40 years old.
When did Odin own Galactus? I like to see scans of this. You might be talking about the time where Odin mentioned him and talked about his origins... The battle was never explained and the context never shown. We don't know what he did, what allies he had, etc.
Galactus defeated Ego the first time they fought and had to retreat against mad Ego (their battle was too even and Galactus feared for the universe/Ego defeated 2 Celestials in Exiles, IIRC I also saw a few scans of Ego holding his own against 2 Celestials for a while (a completely different instance than the one mentioned before)), FP Tyrant can defeat pretty much any no name Celestial on his own, and T&A together can take down Exitar without a doubt - There's no way that Exitar is defeating to fed Galactus level beings on his own.
This is absolutely wrong. Rachel Summers, who was the Phoenix Avatar at the time, WILLINGLY submitted herself to Galactus stating that a battle between them would destroy the very world she was there to protect. And he wasn't killing the Phoenix or Rachel, he was separating the Phoenix from it's Host (and only because she willingly submitted herself to the process), the only casualty was Creation itself as Death made this clear on panel. Galactus even stated that he feeds on worlds to survive but Phoenix would consume all existence. Death said he was correct but from that destruction, the Phoenix would bring about new life.
She willingly gave herself up because she knew that she would not be able to defeat Galactus and thus save her friends.
He was killing the Phoenix Force.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/66496/1233261-f2bj2_super.jpg
"My essence is bonded to your spirit."
and
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In the Bibliography part: "Excalibur #25 (warned Galactus not to slay Phoenix II)
Now in this scan: http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Excalibur_025_-_20.jpg
Roma clearly said that separating Rachel from the Force was impossible,
due to the fact that the Phoenix at that time had fully bonded itself with Rachel Summers. Rachel was Phoenix and Phoenix Rachel.
Galactus was going to destroy her and the Phoenix Force.
The Celestials have NEVER been owned. EVER. Not including the Infinity Gauntlet or the HotU or the U.N.
Galactus ate Tiamut in Black Celestial Arc.
Arshiem withstood an attack by the 3 most powerful skyfathers without flinching! He didn't move or even acknowledge them. Then in retaliation he threatened to obliterate the portals connecting their worlds to Earth if they didn't submit. Next panel they were kneeling before him like insects. Considering Odin and Thor have made Galactus flee with his tail between his legs, this is quite a feat.
Dr. Doom with Galactus' power one-shotted Odin in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Book Magazine #11. Yea, let's see a highly weakened and exhausted Celestial own Thor. Thor was actually doing farely well against a non-weakend Arishem relatively to how he was doing against Galactus before the God Blast was used on him.
Originally posted by galactusischereWhen have you seen a Celestial weakened they don't operate at different scale of power like Galactus.
Dr. Doom with Galactus' power one-shotted Odin in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Book Magazine #11. Yea, let's see a highly weakened and exhausted Celestial own Thor. Thor was actually doing farely well against a non-weakend Arishem relatively to how he was doing against Galactus before the God Blast was used on him.
If I recall Three Sky father attacking didn't even phase Arishem.
Galactus and Exitar are pretty evenl if Galactus is well fed.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Thor 'defeated' a hungry (he was about to feed) and exhausted (he was in battle with Ego) Galactus in a comic that is now nearly 40 years old.When did Odin own Galactus? I like to see scans of this. You might be talking about the time where Odin mentioned him and talked about his origins... The battle was never explained and the context never shown. We don't know what he did, what allies he had, etc.
Galactus defeated Ego the first time they fought and had to retreat against mad Ego (their battle was too even and Galactus feared for the universe/Ego defeated 2 Celestials in Exiles, IIRC I also saw a few scans of Ego holding his own against 2 Celestials for a while (a completely different instance than the one mentioned before)), FP Tyrant can defeat pretty much any no name Celestial on his own, and T&A together can take down Exitar without a doubt - There's no way that Exitar is defeating to fed Galactus level beings on his own.
That's the thing isn't it? There is NO time when the Celestials are "weak" because they need to "feed". A) There is no proof Tyrant can do anything worthwhile to a Celestial B) Same with Aegis and Tenebrous C) That remains to be seen.
The Celestials have NEVER been humiliated the way Galactus has. EVER.
He was killing the Phoenix Force.media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/66496/1233261-f2bj2_super.jpg
"My essence is bonded to your spirit."and
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In the Bibliography part: "Excalibur #25 (warned Galactus not to slay Phoenix II)Now in this scan: i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Excalibur_025_-_20.jpg
Roma clearly said that separating Rachel from the Force was impossible,
due to the fact that the Phoenix at that time had fully bonded itself with Rachel Summers. Rachel was Phoenix and Phoenix Rachel.
Galactus was going to destroy her and the Phoenix Force.
You are showing scans from separate instances. The issue with the Force and Rachel conversing takes place LATER then events in Excalibur 25. She WILLINGLY submitted herself to the process. She even told Nova to watch her mouth because her boss knew better than to brag (about the fact that she was submitting to Galactus).
Galactus ate Tiamut in Black Celestial Arc.
The very same Galactus that was altered by Tiamut's power (He "dreamed" him changed, was the exact quote given in the comic). He was Tiamut's living bomb to so speak.
Dr. Doom with Galactus' power one-shotted Odin in Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Book Magazine #11. Yea, let's see a highly weakened and exhausted Celestial own Thor. Thor was actually doing farely well against a non-weakend Arishem relatively to how he was doing against Galactus before the God Blast was used on him.
Gratz to Galactus for being able to "one shot" a single skyfather!
Celestials don't get "weak" like Galactus does. In what issue was Thor "doing well" vs Arshiem?
Originally posted by kgkg
When have you seen a Celestial weakened they don't operate at different scale of power like Galactus.If I recall Three Sky father attacking didn't even phase Arishem.
Galactus and Exitar are pretty evenl if Galactus is well fed.
I'm just saying that a weakened Celestial (as in just had the fight of hs lifei) wouldn't fare much better against a powerful God Blast than Galactus.
I didn't disagree with that. Arishem was tanking the Sky-Father's blasts without any apparent damage.
I agree with Exitar being in well-fed Galactus' league... But judging by zopzop's post, I wouldn't doubt that he thinks Exitar would stomp any Galactus.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's the thing isn't it? There is NO time when the Celestials are "weak" because they need to "feed". A) There is no proof Tyrant can do anything worthwhile to a Celestial B) Same with Aegis and Tenebrous C) That remains to be seen.The Celestials have NEVER been humiliated the way Galactus has. EVER.
Tiamut was weakened in Black Celestial Arc when Galactus absorbed him. A) I challenge you to post scans of a Celestial taking it to someone as powerful as fully powered Tyrant. B) See A but this time apply to T&A.
You are showing scans from separate instances. The issue with the Force and Rachel conversing takes place LATER then events in Excalibur 25. She WILLINGLY submitted herself to the process. She even told Nova to watch her mouth because her boss knew better than to brag (about the fact that she was submitting to Galactus).
I know that they are from different comics. Point is, Phoenix was Rachel and Rachel Phoenix. She willingly submitted herself to Galactus because she knew she wouldn't have defeated Galactus in battle - Just look at how much damage they each have done in battle. Rachel in her fight with Necrom (it was a long drawn out all out going fight) only destroyed one solar system while Galactus and Tyrant's destroyed entire galaxies. Galactus isn't the type to really gloat you know?
The very same Galactus that was altered by Tiamut's power (He "dreamed" him changed, was the exact quote given in the comic). He was Tiamut's living bomb to so speak.
I have said this before, Galactus was only tampered hunger-wise. His hunger was only turned insatiable. Tiamut did nothing to increase his power or absorbing capabilities.
Gratz to Galactus for being able to "one shot" a single skyfather!
K.
Celestials don't get "weak" like Galactus does. In what issue was Thor "doing well" vs Arshiem?
They do get weak. See Black Celestial Arc. I'm not sure, but I think it happened in Thor 300 when he withstood Celestial blasts.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowWell really tanking attacks of multiple Skyfather at the same time is > Galactus. Celestial were also much more greater that Cube beings.
Name Celestials feats that surpass those of Galactus and
Galactus at that time wasn't that impressive.
show me examples when the Celestials have reached the limits of their powers.
Originally posted by kgkgHere we learn that Celestial can evolve into higher power. - This example why some Celestial are more powerful than others ie. Exitar , Scathan etc
Originally posted by kgkg
Well really tanking attacks of multiple Skyfather at the same time is > Galactus. Celestial were also much more greater that Cube beings.
udoinitwrong
I already know Galactus jobs like hell. Telling me his low-end feats don't mean anything.
Originally posted by kgkg
Celestial were also much more greater that Cube beings.
Which doesn't tell me much. The Beyonder was retconned, remember?
Originally posted by kgkg
Not sure what your asking here....
The Celestials have never met a power that decisively stalemated them (beyond a retconned Beyonder) or performed a feat that drained them of all power. This means their top power is a mystery; it doesn't mean they are more powerful than characters with better high-end feats and worse low-end feats.
That scan shows Tiamat becoming an individual, and that's it.
