Originally posted by zopzop
If you READ the issue where this occured, you'd realize the Arshiem ALLOWED the sword to pass through him so he could analyze it's odd structure. Once he was done with it (it only took him a split second to understand it's alien nature), he destroyed it and the curse that surrounded it (something thought to be impossible to do by a being as powerful as Odin).
I've READ the issue. Arishem only allowed the OS to be thrown at him. He didn't allow it to pass through his body.
What reality? The Paradise/Earth X one? Because that wasn't Galactus that was an adult Franklin Richards.
Earth X. Richards assumed he was Galactus and thus he became Galactus with only Galactus's power, not anybody else's.
Where was it stated that Galactus can destroy anything on a universal scale without the Nullifier? Hell ANYONE with the Nullifier can destroy a universe. That's not a feat in his favor.
Annihilation. Annihilus said it when they had Galactus captive.
The origin of the Celestials keeps getting retconned every few years or so. Currently it has them as agents of the Fulcrum. No one really knows who or what made them.
Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity.
5 immature cubes PWNed him and the Earth heroes (on or off guard, they killed Galactus). 2 Full Cubes were in fear for their lives vs an UNNAMED Celestial. Where are you getting your info from, that states immature Cubes > full Cube Beings?
They didn't "pwn" Galactus. They only destroyed his ship and sent him to his 'sibling's' realm - Galactus was unhurt and was capable of ressurecting himself and rebuilding his ship. When did two cubes have the fight of their lives against a Celestial? I would like to see scans of this.
Feats of immature Cube beings are superior to the more mature Cubes.. Such as universe and micro-verse creating.
Originally posted by kgkg
Wtf are you talking about the only time I have seen Ego battle the Celestials was in Exiles.When did Ego every beat a Celestial other than Exile? He didn't
Actually, Galactusischere and Colossus Big-C are correct. Two named Celestials fought Ego in "The Living Planet" series - Second issue.
Originally posted by kgkg
I really can't recall do have any scans or issue number when this occurred?
Originally posted by TheTyrant
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Originally posted by TheTyrantYa like Bran posted... It's Exile.
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Originally posted by TheTyrant
[B]I've READ the issue. Arishem only allowed the OS to be thrown at him. He didn't allow it to pass through his body.
Good grief, YES HE DID. Can someone post the scans? I still can't yet, I can't even post links yet 🙁
Earth X. Richards assumed he was Galactus and thus he became Galactus with only Galactus's power, not anybody else's.
Scans please? Because Franklin Richards is no slouch in the power department. When Abraxas killed Galactus, it was Franklin and his sister that rezzed him.
Annihilation. Annihilus said it when they had Galactus captive.
So then it's meaningless hyperbole.
Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity.
No he isn't. What issue are you getting this from?
They didn't "pwn" Galactus. They only destroyed his ship and sent him to his 'sibling's' realm - Galactus was unhurt and was capable of ressurecting himself and rebuilding his ship. When did two cubes have the fight of their lives against a Celestial? I would like to see scans of this.
Galactus WAS DEAD. D E A D, dead. That's why he was rezzing himself. You don't resurrect unless you're dead. And Dr, Strange had to occupy Death before she attempted to do anything to stop him.
Feats of immature Cube beings are superior to the more mature Cubes.. Such as universe and micro-verse creating.
So basically it's never stated and you're just assuming. Got it.
Originally posted by zopzopGalactus' power increases exponentially the more he feeds. That is a fact. If you are aruging whether it is unknown whether the celestials can do the same, the point is moot since they have never demonstrated so and have never been described as having the ability. Thor's Godblast hit a weakened Galactus after fighting Ego. Current Galactus is substantially stronger than his Silver Aged counterpart...the fact that you have to go back literally sixty years in continuity to even pin point a low showing to compare against the celestials speaks volumes.
Yes in their favor. They may not be able to "geometrically increase their power" (we dont' even know that as a fact by the way) but at least they aren't getting pwned by Thor's Godblasts or being chased off by Odin.
He's failed epically (like the other abstracts) when it really counted (Infinity Gems and the HotU). During the Infinity War he was just sorta their as Magus was making fools of him and the Earth heroes with 5 measly cosmic cubes.yet he succeeded in ending the annihilation war and preventing the proemial gods from taking over the universe in its infancy. Why do you even bother to mention Galactus losing to the 2 most powerful objects in the history of comic books...it does nothing for your position.
No we know a little more than that. It was stated on panel that Tiamut "dreamed him whole but changed". A bound, comatose Tiamut healed and altered Galactus' physiology. That's more a feat in Tiamut's favor than anything else.He altered his hunger. Thanos cloned Galactus' DNA in infinity Abyss (or sometime before that story). The elders tampered with his physiology when Galactus devoured them. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
Tiamut used Galactus as his patsy. He was to destroy the universe (and then himself) leaving only Tiamut and his mountain prison as the only survivors, which Tiamut would then recreate the universe with him as God. Why would Tiamut basically kamikazee himself when he had a living bomb in Galactus, a living bomb which HE created.This is a weak argument at best. He tampered with Galactus' hunger, yet at the same time didn't want to get devoured by his own work, despite eventually being devoured anyway?
You don't use a proxy if you are able to do it yourself. Will Eternity use the Infinity Gauntlet to destroy a universe? If he does, what does that say about Eternity?
Check the Celestial Respect Thread. Scathan pwned the Protege who was greater than the Tribunal. Tiamut rose to true Godhood at the end of the Eternals arc. The Fulcrum (aka Jack Kirby) stated that he's seen other Celestials evolve to greater positions of power but Tiamut broke free of his programming and became the Fulcrum's equal.I don't need to check the respect thread. I've read the books in question and need not refer to scans; perhaps you do. Scathan is an aberration and has never reappeared since then. Scathan is at least on par with the Living Tribunal. Which is why i said "aside from scathan." Since you mentioned him you will quickly find that on KMC using scathan is frowned upon since he is portrayed as LT's equal or superior and no other celestial has even come close to that or has been seen since.
We've seen Arshiem tank 3 angry Skyfathers and not even flinch. We've seen the Odin + all Asgard Destroyer do nothing against them and be melted into slag (in the Atlantis Attacks Thor Annual, Thor even stated the the Destroyer was probably capable of killing Galactus).
All you have is Arishem tanking 3 skyfather blasts. That's it. The destroyer armor hacked off gammenon (or whatever celestial it was, maybe ziran)'s arm and it regrew. That was it. It was literally a gang bang. Hardly impressive on the part of the celestials.
In-Betweener>>>>3 skyfathers. Full Power Tyrant>>>>the destroyer armor with odin and others animating it. None of the celestials has ever faced a being like Galactus one on one. Not ever. Arishem tanking a blast from 3 sky fathers is well and good...Galactus sustained a blast from Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
We've seen Kubik and Kosmos (****two full Cube Beings) fear for their lives when an UNNAMED Celestial was about to pass judgment on them (they stated that the Celestials were several magnitudes greater than them in power).And even after praising the celestials, kubik and kosmos **did not** include them among the "great powers" of the universe. They did include Galactus, however, amongst the great powers.
****Check and see what Magus was able to do with 5 Cosmic Cubes during the Infinity War.
check and see what Galactus did after Magus did that with FIVE cosmic cubes. Check what Galactus did to Eternity, after Magus KO'd Eternity with FIVE cosmic cubes.
Originally posted by zopzopExiles it self is not necessarily non-canon but almost every single story resolves around alternate universes and realities. Characters in those realities are not the same as their 616 counterpart. This makes them no-canon to their 616 counterpart.
PS, why isn't Exiles canon? Is it a "What If" universe?
When we argue character here anything other than 616 is considered non-canon because characters differ in power in alternate universe<there are exception like the Living Tribunal>. In Exile the main characters jump from one reality to another.
Originally posted by zopzopGood grief man...you haven't read the comics and now I know you're debating based off of scans. Galactus was killed by his own machines in the Galactus the Devourer series...Abraxas never touched him. Franklin burned out all of his powers (only recently they're starting to come back) when he resurrected Galactus, and he couldn't even do it without valeria's help. That's impressive on franklin's part but that speaks equally to the scope of power necessary to revive Galactus as much as it speaks to franklin's mutant abilities.
Good grief, YES HE DID. Can someone post the scans? I still can't yet, I can't even post links yet 🙁Scans please? Because Franklin Richards is no slouch in the power department. When Abraxas killed Galactus, it was Franklin and his sister that rezzed him.
So then it's meaningless hyperbole.Now you're exposed as someone who debates without reading the comics in question. Annihilus' entire plan hinged on detonating Galactus and destroying the 616 universe and the negative zone in 1 blast. that was literally his entire reason for invading. That is hardly hyperbole.
Galactus WAS DEAD. D E A D, dead. That's why he was rezzing himself. You don't resurrect unless you're dead. And Dr, Strange had to occupy Death before she attempted to do anything to stop him.And he resurrected himself. Are you saying it's a low-end feat to be killed by the power of 5 cosmic cubes, only to reconstitute oneself? When has any single celestial been attacked with the same power? 3 sky father blasts? a swipe of the odin sword from the destroyer armor?
