Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
[B]Galactus' power increases exponentially the more he feeds. That is a fact.
Is it? Where is this stated?
If you are aruging whether it is unknown whether the celestials can do the same, the point is moot since they have never demonstrated so and have never been described as having the ability. Thor's Godblast hit a weakened Galactus after fighting Ego. Current Galactus is substantially stronger than his Silver Aged counterpart...the fact that you have to go back literally sixty years in continuity to even pin point a low showing to compare against the celestials speaks volumes.
If it happened on panel and hasn't been retconned, it's kosher to use for or against someone.
yet he succeeded in ending the annihilation war and preventing the proemial gods from taking over the universe in its infancy.
Wow he pwned Annihilus! It's not like the Fantastic Four hasn't defeated him before. And sadly the blast STILL didn't put down Annihilus.
Why do you even bother to mention Galactus losing to the 2 most powerful objects in the history of comic books...it does nothing for your position.
I'm not holding it against him. Someone posted that Galactus is written stronger when the universe needs him. I just mentioned that he failed epically (LIKE THE OTHER ABSTRACTS) vs the Gauntlet and the HotU.
He altered his hunger. Thanos cloned Galactus' DNA in infinity Abyss (or sometime before that story). The elders tampered with his physiology when Galactus devoured them. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
Cloning someone and ALTERING their PHYSIOLOGY are two separate things. Tiamut literally altered Galactus while Tiamut was IMPRISONED. Galactus couldn't even do anything to stop an IMPRISONED Tiamut from altering his physiology.
The Elders didn't "tamper" with anything. Galactus tried to devour them, but since they can't die, they were inside of him killing him.
This is a weak argument at best. He tampered with Galactus' hunger, yet at the same time didn't want to get devoured by his own work, despite eventually being devoured anyway?You don't use a proxy if you are able to do it yourself. Will Eternity use the Infinity Gauntlet to destroy a universe? If he does, what does that say about Eternity?
The way Eternity jobbs? Yeah he might need the Gauntlet to destroy a universe.
Face it, Tiamut, while IMPRISONED, altered Galactus and Galactus couldn't stop it.
I don't need to check the respect thread. I've read the books in question and need not refer to scans; perhaps you do. Scathan is an aberration and has never reappeared since then. Scathan is at least on par with the Living Tribunal. Which is why i said "aside from scathan." Since you mentioned him you will quickly find that on KMC using scathan is frowned upon since he is portrayed as LT's equal or superior and no other celestial has even come close to that or has been seen since.
And yet the writers CONFIRMED Scathan's power in the Living Tribunal's bio.
All you have is Arishem tanking 3 skyfather blasts. That's it. The destroyer armor hacked off gammenon (or whatever celestial it was, maybe ziran)'s arm and it regrew. That was it. It was literally a gang bang. Hardly impressive on the part of the celestials.
Hardly a gangbang. The Destroyer Armor couldn't do anything to them. NOTHING. Even it's disintegration ray completely failed.
In-Betweener>>>>3 skyfathers.
Even if true, he was owned by Dr. Strange by the way, he was on his way to beating Galactus till Nova/Surfer/FF/Elders interfered.
Full Power Tyrant>>>>the destroyer armor with odin and others animating it.
Proof?!
None of the celestials has ever faced a being like Galactus one on one. Not ever. Arishem tanking a blast from 3 sky fathers is well and good...Galactus sustained a blast from Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
And this has been RETCONNED. So it's meaningless.
And even after praising the celestials, kubik and kosmos **did not** include them among the "great powers" of the universe. They did include Galactus, however, amongst the great powers.check and see what Galactus did after Magus did that with FIVE cosmic cubes. Check what Galactus did to Eternity, after Magus KO'd Eternity with FIVE cosmic cubes.
Fact still remains 2 complete cubes are FAR FAR LESS than a random unnamed Celestial. I doubt adding 3 more cubes into the equation would change anything.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Good grief man...you haven't read the comics and now I know you're debating based off of scans. Galactus was killed by his own machines in the Galactus the Devourer series...Abraxas never touched him. Franklin burned out all of his powers (only recently they're starting to come back) when he resurrected Galactus, and he couldn't even do it without valeria's help. That's impressive on franklin's part but that speaks equally to the scope of power necessary to revive Galactus as much as it speaks to franklin's mutant abilities.
My bad on the Abraxus part, I'm in multiple threads on this forum so it gets confusing. But Galactus DID die, and was rezzed by Franklin and his sister.
But the fact remains Arshiem ALLOWED the Odin Sword to enter his body. As soon as I can post links/upload images I'll do so.
Now you're exposed as someone who debates without reading the comics in question. Annihilus' entire plan hinged on detonating Galactus and destroying the 616 universe and the negative zone in 1 blast. that was literally his entire reason for invading. That is hardly hyperbole.
Wrong, I did read the issues but just found the story moronic. Annihilus was having delusions of grandeur if he thought capturing the king of jobbers and using his power to "destroy 2 universes" wasn't a failure from the get go.
And he resurrected himself. Are you saying it's a low-end feat to be killed by the power of 5 cosmic cubes, only to reconstitute oneself?
When you have Dr. Strange running interference for you yes, yes it is. Two full Cube Beings trembled in fear before a Celestial, 3 more added to the mix wouldn't help matters.
When has any single celestial been attacked with the same power? 3 sky father blasts? a swipe of the odin sword from the destroyer armor?
Who knows? Thor mentioned that he thought the Destroyer armor could kill Galactus in the Thor Atlantis Attacks Annual.
Two full Cube Beings were powerless before an unnamed Celestial, that should tell us how they would fair vs 5 immature cubes.
Originally posted by zopzop
Scans please? Because Franklin Richards is no slouch in the power department. When Abraxas killed Galactus, it was Franklin and his sister that rezzed him.
Why do you want the scans? They made it clear throughout the story how Franklin became Galactus and how he thought he was him. Abraxas never killed Galactus. Limited knowledge on him right there. Look at Abraxas' respect thread - Galactus was 'killed' by his own machines... He wasn't really killed either, he was only turned into a start that would burn for all eternity. That =/= death in Marvel.
So then it's meaningless hyperbole.
It's not hyperbole if he was actually doing it.
No he isn't. What issue are you getting this from?
Yes he is. According to at least two sources, Eternity has made the Celestials. According to a more recent source, it was Fulcrum who made them.. There have been no said retcons. Safe to assume that Eternity made Fulcrum and later Fulcrum created them.
Galactus = Eternity > Fulcrum > Tiamut > Exitar
Galactus WAS DEAD. D E A D, dead. That's why he was rezzing himself. You don't resurrect unless you're dead. And Dr, Strange had to occupy Death before she attempted to do anything to stop him.
He was only dead because Mistress Death wouldn't allow him to exit her realm. You see, Death wanted to prevent Galactus from rescuing Eternity. If Death hadn't been such a *****, Galactus would have easily tanked the blast like a gentle breeze.
So basically it's never stated and you're just assuming. Got it.
It doesn't have to be stated. Feats > anything else.
Originally posted by zopzop
No that's the thing. They can't be weakened. What happened to Tiamut was unheard of in Celestial history. He was "jumped" by his own crew, his energy removed and locked in a key, and imprisoned forever. Celestials don't weaken or get hungry like Galactus does. What happened to Tiamut is unique to him.
Exactly the point. Galactus can absorb and siphon energy. He can do the same to Tiamut and weaken him like the other Celestials did.
It wasn't trying to kill him. Just drive him away from the already dead planet it was trying to "save". Less than her have had Galactus in fear for his life.
Neither was Galactus. He had just a few issues prior learned of her importance to the universe. The entire Phoenix Force could barely defeat a hungry Galactus.
That's always the excuse, he's hungry. Every single time over these past, what, 40 years. He's been owned over and over. We've never seen Galactus do anything like what Thanos said in his fight vs Tyrant (he "teleported a galaxy once" in the ROM series but nothing approaching that ever again). If anything Thanos was indulging in hyperbole.
He's teleported a galaxy in Rom 27, absorbed a black hole and a bunch of planets simultaneously, defeated Mephisto in his realm, stalemated Agamotto in his realm before going all out, was being used to destroy two universes, etc.
How is it hyperbole if he actually says galaxies were destroyed? Narration = truth.
We don't know what Tiamut did to Galactus while Tiamut was imprisoned.
We do know that he wasn't given any extra power. Galactus has proved that he can devour as much energy as he wants (if the energy/being isn't more powerful than him of course), and in that story, he was just devouring and devouring. His hunger was insatiable.
Eating "pocket dimensions" is meaningless, we don't know how large said dimensions are. In fact back in the 89 edition of the Handbook of the Marvel Universe, it showed the 9 worlds of Norse tradition as being more or less the size of the Earth. And this was 9 "pocket dimensions" : muspel, niffelhiem, asgard, etc...
So? Mephisto's realm is hell, not Asgard. You could actually see a bunch of different planets in Mephisto's realm.
Yeah he can "erase her" (never shown on panel, at worst he was killing Rachel Summers by separating her from the Phoenix) using his tech and only when she submitted herself to it. Nice feat. It's like Tito Ortiz allowing me to pummel him with a hammer without fighting back or defending himself. Not really much of a feat now is it?
Except the hammer isn't a part of you. All of Galactus' tech were created by him using his Power Cosmic. He doesn't even need them (according to Richards), they just make it easier for him to perform a specific task.
[qupte]What? In what issue? The Thor/Galactus fight I'm talking about is when Thor used his Godblast to make Galactus flee or die.[/QUOTE]
Thor volume 1 160-161.
Originally posted by zopzop
Is it? Where is this stated?
If it happened on panel and hasn't been retconned, it's kosher to use for or against someone.
Actually I was wrong earlier it is 40 years, not 60 years, but the gist is still the same. Read up on the rules of the vs. forums-you'll see that in debate threads, these are current incarnations of the characters by default unless otherwise stated. This rule is exists specifically for characters like Thor and Galactus who have varying levels of power and status over the course of multiple decades. The fact that you have to bring up a feat from a clearly weaker version of Galactus from 1969 as opposed to the Galactus of 2010, which is the current version, which is the version used by default in this thread, illustrates my point.
Wow he pwned Annihilus! It's not like the Fantastic Four hasn't defeated him before. And sadly the blast STILL didn't put down Annihilus.It didn't put down annihilus, Nova, Gamora, Phyla Vell, star lord, etc. etc. for story purposes. It vaporized a watcher in its blast which is already more than any single celestial has demonstrated aside from Exitar who prepped against The One.
I'm not holding it against him. Someone posted that Galactus is written stronger when the universe needs him. I just mentioned that he failed epically (LIKE THE OTHER ABSTRACTS) vs the Gauntlet and the HotU.Galactus actually survived the opening salvos of the HOTI story...unlike a certain Celestial.
Cloning someone and ALTERING their PHYSIOLOGY are two separate things. Tiamut literally altered Galactus while Tiamut was IMPRISONED. Galactus couldn't even do anything to stop an IMPRISONED Tiamut from altering his physiology.The point is that Galactus' hunger has been tampered with before. What is Tiamut going to do, alter Galactus' hunger such that Galactus consumes him in the first minute? That's actually what happened anyway.The Elders didn't "tamper" with anything. Galactus tried to devour them, but since they can't die, they were inside of him killing him.
The way Eternity jobbs? Yeah he might need the Gauntlet to destroy a universe.[Face it, Tiamut, while IMPRISONED, altered Galactus and Galactus couldn't stop it.
Then you agree that Eternity using the IG is analogous to Tiamut using Galactus. Great.
Timaut, while imprisoned, altered Galactus, and was still eaten. That is what needs to be faced.
And yet the writers CONFIRMED Scathan's power in the Living Tribunal's bio.
So? Have you even looked through the forums and seen how many times scathan is invoked when the discussion involves your "average" Celestial? Using scathan, a 1-trick pony that has never been seen since, as evidence of what your everyday celestial can do is logic that will not fly here.
Hardly a gangbang. The Destroyer Armor couldn't do anything to them. NOTHING. Even it's disintegration ray completely failed.
Hardly a gangbag? If you alone went up against 9 brawlers in the street, what would you call that? Fair? The disintegration ray cut off ziran's arm. He grew it back. I'd hardly call defeating the destroyer armor an impressive feat for the entirety of the 4th celestial host, much less an impressive feat for any single one of them. Seriously..it is NOT impressive at all any time it is 9 vs. 1, unless you want to say 9 spider-men beating 1 batman impressive.
Even if true, he was owned by Dr. Strange by the way, he was on his way to beating Galactus till Nova/Surfer/FF/Elders interfered.I-B tried to 1-shot kill Galactus, who was defenseless from suffering from the side-effects of having ingested the elders. I-B failed. It is this Galactus that wad prevailing against IB until they neared the black hole. So essentially, you neglected to mention that a weakened Galactus held his own and was actually winning.
Proof?!The earth still was there after their gangbang on the destroyer. Or "hardly a gangbang" in your terms.
And this has been RETCONNED. So it's meaningless.No less meaningless than blasts from silver age sky fathers who have since been drastically de-powered since then.
Fact still remains 2 complete cubes are FAR FAR LESS than a random unnamed Celestial. I doubt adding 3 more cubes into the equation would change anything.
Fact still remains that a celestial has ever been faced with the power of a cosmic cube before to make a true comparison. Galactus has, and direct parallels were made between Galactus' power and a cosmic cube when doom strove to obtain the Power Cosmic from Galactus, despite already having a CC in his possession. That's far more substantiation than cube beings getting spooked, which is all you have to go on since you keep referring to it. That's not a strong case at all.
Originally posted by zopzop
My bad on the Abraxus part, I'm in multiple threads on this forum so it gets confusing. But Galactus DID die, and was rezzed by Franklin and his sister.But the fact remains Arshiem ALLOWED the Odin Sword to enter his body. As soon as I can post links/upload images I'll do so.
Who burned out his powers in doing so. I.E., Franklin, whose peak potential is supposed to rival Celestials in power, had to permanently burn out his powers, IN ADDITION to using Valeria's powers, to reconstitute Galactus.
And I never argued about arishem and the odin sword. Arishem transmuted the odin sword. Galactus can, and has, transmuted far more substantial things than the Odin Sword.
Wrong, I did read the issues but just found the story moronic. Annihilus was having delusions of grandeur if he thought capturing the king of jobbers and using his power to "destroy 2 universes" wasn't a failure from the get go.Yeah, I recognize the concession here too.
When you have Dr. Strange running interference for you yes, yes it is. Two full Cube Beings trembled in fear before a Celestial, 3 more added to the mix wouldn't help matters.No celestial has been attacked with a cosmic cube. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claims, since Galactus has the feats, and the Celestials do not.
Who knows? Thor mentioned that he thought the Destroyer armor could kill Galactus in the Thor Atlantis Attacks Annual.
Another silver age reference. As recently as 5 years ago (i know, that's not that recent, but that's much better than the 40 years you keep referencing) Galactus was called the most powerful creature in the universe in Annihilation. The celestials always act in concert. Their power is difficult to gauge. None of them has faced a being as powerful as FP Tyrant, or Aegis and Tenebrous, or Agamotto, or the In-Betweener on their own; they always act in concert. To say "i don't know" can do nothing but admit concession.
Two full Cube Beings were powerless before an unnamed Celestial, that should tell us how they would fair vs 5 immature cubes.They weren't full. Kosmos was an incomplete being. Regardless, feats>>>statements.
Originally posted by the Darkoneif galactus gets UN exitar gets CN
UN is apart of him,duh!I wouldn't doubt that Galactus has tech just for Celestail especially Exitar, a lone Celestail regardless how big they are would dare take on Galactus solo, unless they want to be a floating corpse and base for another space team 😉 .
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
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This just proves my point, this is an Tiamut (Celestial feat) and does nothing for Galactus. Do you understand that an imprisoned Celestial altered Galactus' physiology without Galactus being able to do anything to stop it? Do you get that? That's all that scan shows us. That even near comatose Celestials are powerful enough to alter Galactus on a whim.
Actually I was wrong earlier it is 40 years, not 60 years, but the gist is still the same. Read up on the rules of the vs. forums-you'll see that in debate threads, these are current incarnations of the characters by default unless otherwise stated. This rule is exists specifically for characters like Thor and Galactus who have varying levels of power and status over the course of multiple decades. The fact that you have to bring up a feat from a clearly weaker version of Galactus from 1969 as opposed to the Galactus of 2010, which is the current version, which is the version used by default in this thread, illustrates my point.
Hardly. Thor owned him, Odin owned him, DP Tyrant owned him (but he's a special case), Aegis and Tenebrous owned him (despite the fact that he destroyed their entire Pantheon), Sentry stalemated him, etc... He's been shown getting owned so many times it becomes tedious to mention them all.
It didn't put down annihilus, Nova, Gamora, Phyla Vell, star lord, etc. etc. for story purposes. It vaporized a watcher in its blast which is already more than any single celestial has demonstrated aside from Exitar who prepped against The One.
Wow a Watcher, the same Watcher's that Quasar has gone toe to toe with and Rulk punched out.
Galactus actually survived the opening salvos of the HOTI story...unlike a certain Celestial.
Is that even canon?
The point is that Galactus' hunger has been tampered with before. What is Tiamut going to do, alter Galactus' hunger such that Galactus consumes him in the first minute? That's actually what happened anyway.
When? When has it happend before in the manner it was demonstrated in the FF issues. Near comatose, imprisoned Tiamut had his way with Galactus' body and Galactus couldn't do jack about it.
Then you agree that Eternity using the IG is analogous to Tiamut using Galactus. Great.Timaut, while imprisoned, altered Galactus, and was still eaten. That is what needs to be faced.
You are bringing up the King of Jobbers (Eternity) in order to make the Queen of Jobbers (Galactus) look good? That says more about your position on this then mine.
So? Have you even looked through the forums and seen how many times scathan is invoked when the discussion involves your "average" Celestial? Using scathan, a 1-trick pony that has never been seen since, as evidence of what your everyday celestial can do is logic that will not fly here.
Scathan made an appearance in the LT's bio, stating that if not for him the Protege would have owned all reality. That's good enough for me. In the recent Eternals comics, Tiamut ascended into what appears to be True Godhood possibly joining the Fulcrum.
Hardly a gangbag? If you alone went up against 9 brawlers in the street, what would you call that? Fair? The disintegration ray cut off ziran's arm. He grew it back. I'd hardly call defeating the destroyer armor an impressive feat for the entirety of the 4th celestial host, much less an impressive feat for any single one of them. Seriously..it is NOT impressive at all any time it is 9 vs. 1, unless you want to say 9 spider-men beating 1 batman impressive.
Wrong, the "Rhinegold Cursed" Odin sword, "cut" off Ziran's arm. And it grew instantly. He wasn't fazed by it. Then the Disintegration Ray was repelled with a gesture. And it was even stated that the Disintigration Ray was the Destroyer's most powerful weapon.
I-B tried to 1-shot kill Galactus, who was defenseless from suffering from the side-effects of having ingested the elders. I-B failed. It is this Galactus that wad prevailing against IB until they neared the black hole. So essentially, you neglected to mention that a weakened Galactus held his own and was actually winning.
No he didn't try to "one shot" him the way you make it out to be. He tried to summon Galactus' opposite to negate him. When it turned out he couldn't he watned to shove Galactus into a blackhole.
And Galactus was not winning in our Universe, he was holding his own. When they drifted to the blackhole, then he needed help. Grandmaster correctly predicted that the Inbetweener would win that fight and he would have if the others didn't jump in.
The earth still was there after their gangbang on the destroyer. Or "hardly a gangbang" in your terms.
The fight took place in the Celestials dome that they erected around them. Who knows what properties it has (and yes i'm aware that the Destroyer cut a hole through it using his Disintegration ray).
No less meaningless than blasts from silver age sky fathers who have since been drastically de-powered since then.
Depowered? Have you missed recent Thor issues?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=443095&pagenumber=2
Fact still remains that a celestial has ever been faced with the power of a cosmic cube before to make a true comparison. Galactus has, and direct parallels were made between Galactus' power and a cosmic cube when doom strove to obtain the Power Cosmic from Galactus, despite already having a CC in his possession. That's far more substantiation than cube beings getting spooked, which is all you have to go on since you keep referring to it. That's not a strong case at all.
The fact is an unnamed Celestial had two complete cube beings in fear for their continuted existance. That's good enough for me. Said cube beings also mentioned that Celeastials are orders of magnitude above them in power.
Who burned out his powers in doing so. I.E., Franklin, whose peak potential is supposed to rival Celestials in power, had to permanently burn out his powers, IN ADDITION to using Valeria's powers, to reconstitute Galactus.
"It's much easier to destroy, then it is to create or maintain", ever hear that saying? This is more of a Franklin and Valeria feat than anything.
And I never argued about arishem and the odin sword. Arishem transmuted the odin sword. Galactus can, and has, transmuted far more substantial things than the Odin Sword.
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No celestial has been attacked with a cosmic cube. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claims, since Galactus has the feats, and the Celestials do not.
Two cube beings were about to be judged worthy of life OR death and they didnt' even attempt to defend themselves by the nameless Celestial because they KNEW it was futile to even try.
Another silver age reference. As recently as 5 years ago (i know, that's not that recent, but that's much better than the 40 years you keep referencing) Galactus was called the most powerful creature in the universe in Annihilation. The celestials always act in concert. Their power is difficult to gauge. None of them has faced a being as powerful as FP Tyrant, or Aegis and Tenebrous, or Agamotto, or the In-Betweener on their own; they always act in concert. To say "i don't know" can do nothing but admit concession.They weren't full. Kosmos was an incomplete being. Regardless, feats>>>statements. [/B]
Tyrant is a special exception. Galactus supposedly destroyed Aegis and Tenebrous' entire pantheon but two of them handed him his ass? The Annihilation story made zero sense. How could a being whom a WEAKENED Odin has pwned (Annihlus) be seen as any kind of serious threat to the Universe?
And ps, Kosmos was at that time a FULL cube. Beyonder + MM.
Originally posted by zopzopNo. He altered his hunger; he did not alter his capacity to absorb energy or the ability to absorb energy, only his will to do so. That scan demonstrates the more Galactus hungers and consequently feeds, his power increases geometrically. That has nothing to do with Tiamut. Tiamut only activated the situation that enable Reed to ascertain what was happening. If Galactus' power doesn't increase at a geometric rate, then Tiamut would never have chosen him, unless you finally want to state that Galactus has flat out more power.
This just proves my point, this is an Tiamut (Celestial feat) and does nothing for Galactus. Do you understand that an imprisoned Celestial altered Galactus' physiology without Galactus being able to do anything to stop it? Do you get that? That's all that scan shows us. That even near comatose Celestials are powerful enough to alter Galactus on a whim.
Hardly. Thor owned him, Odin owned him, DP Tyrant owned him (but he's a special case), Aegis and Tenebrous owned him (despite the fact that he destroyed their entire Pantheon), Sentry stalemated him, etc... He's been shown getting owned so many times it becomes tedious to mention them all.Thor owned him the Silver age, after he fought Ego. Same with odin. Thing knocked Galactus over in the silver age too. Your obsession with silver aged feats in relation to current characters still remains irrelevant. Aegis and Tenebrous are each equals to Galactus...this was stated many times and is more of your suspicious logic that uneven fights are indeed fair. Sentry did jack shit. That was spider-man talking about it off-panel, and there were no circumstances that were revealed about the fight. Another thing you have to keep in mind that doesn't fly here on KMC is that spider-man quote. So keep that in mind along with Scathan since you are a rookie poster. Regardless...you harp on the low feats but ignore all else. Hardly debating and more stating your bias.
Wow a Watcher, the same Watcher's that Quasar has gone toe to toe with and Rulk punched out.That's more than any celestial besides Exitar has done.
Is that even canon?Depends. It was mentioned in Thanos' mini-series. What does it matter though...the topic was brought up by you to illustrate a point, i just ran with it. If you don't think it's canon, why did you bring it up in the first place?
When? When has it happend before in the manner it was demonstrated in the FF issues. Near comatose, imprisoned Tiamut had his way with Galactus' body and Galactus couldn't do jack about it.Tiamut essentially killed himself.
You are bringing up the King of Jobbers (Eternity) in order to make the Queen of Jobbers (Galactus) look good? That says more about your position on this then mine.I agree that you've conceded here too.
Scathan made an appearance in the LT's bio, stating that if not for him the Protege would have owned all reality. That's good enough for me. In the recent Eternals comics, Tiamut ascended into what appears to be True Godhood possibly joining the Fulcrum.Scathan don't fly here for an average celestial. So in short, what is good enough for you isn't up to the standards of the forum. If you like scathan that much go to cbr or hero chat they may be more accepting but it's doubtful.
Wrong, the "Rhinegold Cursed" Odin sword, "cut" off Ziran's arm. And it grew instantly. He wasn't fazed by it. Then the Disintegration Ray was repelled with a gesture. And it was even stated that the Disintigration Ray was the Destroyer's most powerful weapon.Yeah i meant to say the odin sword. the point is that both were ineffective. What does it matter if the disintegration ray was stated to be the most powerful weapon? The destroyer armor took on the 4th celestial host in one of the most lopsided encounters in marvel history.
No he didn't try to "one shot" him the way you make it out to be. He tried to summon Galactus' opposite to negate him. When it turned out he couldn't he watned to shove Galactus into a blackhole.That is how the IB's power works. He summons the opposites to negate. He tried to one shot kill Galactus and failed.
And Galactus was not winning in our Universe, he was holding his own. When they drifted to the blackhole, then he needed help.Galactus was more than "holding his own." Read the comic. He had more hits on the IB and they were drifting to the black hole which would take them to chaos and order's realm. This is hardly a low feat for Galactus considering the condition he was in literally pages before this fight, which takes place immediately after the comatose stasis he was in. You never take context into account when recalling feats, i'm noticing that.
The fight took place in the Celestials dome that they erected around them. Who knows what properties it has (and yes i'm aware that the Destroyer cut a hole through it using his Disintegration ray).Which means the battle was localized to earth, agreed. FP Tyrant>>>>>>>>>>Destroyer armor animated by odin and all the asgardians.
Depowered? Have you missed recent Thor issues?More silver age feats? 🙄
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=443095&pagenumber=2
The fact is an unnamed Celestial had two complete cube beings in fear for their continuted existance. That's good enough for me. Said cube beings also mentioned that Celeastials are orders of magnitude above them in power.As i said, what's good enough for you is substandard for the forums. Quivering in fear of implied power never trumps feats here, never. Take that logic to another place because it will not be affirmed here.
"It's much easier to destroy, then it is to create or maintain", ever hear that saying? This is more of a Franklin and Valeria feat than anything.Franklin burned out his powers because they were insufficient in reconstituting Galactus. Conservation of energy, do you know of that physics law. Galactus has more energy than Franklin, otherwise Franklin would have been able to retain his powers.
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Originally posted by zopzopTiresome. For all their implied power, you struggle to come up with anything, ANYTHING, related to feats. You just have some whimsical statements powering your entire argument. Strawman at its worst.
continued ....Two cube beings were about to be judged worthy of life OR death and they didnt' even attempt to defend themselves by the nameless Celestial because they KNEW it was futile to even try.
Tyrant is a special exception. Galactus supposedly destroyed Aegis and Tenebrous' entire pantheon but two of them handed him his ass? The Annihilation story made zero sense. How could a being whom a WEAKENED Odin has pwned (Annihlus) be seen as any kind of serious threat to the Universe?FP Tyrant battled Galactus and lost. Galaxies were destroyed in the collateral damage. That's not Thanos' opinion (something that you and many people here make the mistake of concluding). That is Thanos coming to that conclusion after viewing the data and actual recording of the battle from Tyrant's computers, on board Tyrant's vessel. There was civil war between the proemial gods and Galactus killed diableri who was the renegade ring leader. He detained T&A and was later caught off-guard by them as they were prepped by thanos (as stated by andy schmidt, editor of annihlation) but then was prepared to take them out once more in Heralds of Galactus. Annihilus in annihilation is drastically more powerful than the incarnation odin defeated. You have to accept that power levels change over the course of decades and stop pointing to occurrences that happened literally before many people on this board were even born. current annihilus (or the version portrayed in annihilation) is drastically more powerful than previous iterations. However that is not the point. The point that Annihilation is one of the most critically acclaimed works by marvel and your dislike for it can't be used to support your tenuous debating position. So you can say whatever you want about it...doesn't change the fact that it happened, it happened recently (i.e., not 40 years ago), and it's been a framework for marvel cosmic stories to this very day.
And ps, Kosmos was at that time a FULL cube. Beyonder + MM.ok