Well you guys might Judge that it doesnt count since it happened in a "What If," but in What If Wolverine became Lord of the Vampires, Dark Phoenix beat Dormammu quickly and decisively...
Dormammu is atleast an Odin level character and is arguably above him; if DP can beat Dormmy as easily as she did, then Odin+Thanos go down quickly as well...
Originally posted by cdtmSo what?
For starters, Surtur destroyed the core of a dead galaxy under Simonson, before infusing it with the Cask of Ancient Winters.And I know Odin battled another Skyfather level being, and their combined efforts were leveling galaxies across multiple dimensions... I think it was Set, but the more knowledgeable fans should know this feat cold..
Originally posted by "Id"
The same can be said about Odin, in regards to his fluctuating power levels due to the writers…..well anyone who been around long enough.The difference is Odin has stayed Odin, while they keep on stacking more depth, and complexity to the Phoenix Mythos. This forces you to segregate each Phoenix by Era or Avatar overlooking what the comic has established. Just keep note that the while the avatars may vary, the entity always remains a constant.
Odin hasn't really had any noticeable fluctuations over the years that I can think of off the top of my head. He took a bit of a dive in power during Thomas' run but other than that, only Jurgen's run stands out to me.
I know this. I just separate them in order to try and console the power levels.
My main problem with this thread is that people are giving Phoenix the win as a knee jerk reaction. Some people have this view of Odin as nothing but a small Earth God when he really isn't. The notion that Odin is up the food chain for some reason seems to frighten some people.
If the Dark Phoenix's best feat is the Star one, I don't see how anyone can justify her beating Odin, much less stomping him without relying on feats etc. from other incarnations. She's a cosmic entity!!Lolzlolz!!! doesn't fly as an argument with me.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
ummmm Mastermind, Xavier and the Xmen in generally have always been able to take down The Dark Phoenix's host.
She didn't lose to Xavier, it's Host was fighting it. He even said he would have lost but he sensed Jean fighting herself.
Most everytime it's fought the X-Men, especially if it's Jean, it was holding back. How many times, has she been caught saying "Kill me I don't want to hurt you."
The thing about Abstracts is you really can't show them doing anything Universe shaking in a non "What If".
In What If : Jean Grey had not died, Dark Phoenix goes berserk after killing all the X-men and destroys the entire universe.
In What If : Wolverine found himself in the Age of Conan, she again goes berserk and destroys an entire universe.
In What If : Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire, Vulcan acquires the Phoenix Force and destroys eight galaxies just for revenges sake. The reason why the damage wasn't more wide spread, Jean Grey was holding him back.
In Excalibur 25 Galactus himself mentions that the Force and consume all existence. Then Death mentions, that "and from that destruction, bring about new life."
In Xmen (Here comes tomorrow), she's holding the freaking universe in the PALM OF HER HAND.
None of this has been retconned or explained away.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Id, you seem to be versed in the Phoenix from what I can tell. Did she do anything in the Dark Phoenix saga outside of eating a Star which caused it to go Nova in a sense?
Its irrelevant. Dark Phoenix is a mental state, it has nothing to do with the powers of the avatar.
Originally posted by amnesia
Obviously the mental state plays a role.
People are talking about dark phoenix likes its a separate character with a different powerset in a similar fashion to grey hulk and savage hulk. Its not. Its the same character with a a more ruthless and cruel outlook.
So with regards to these forum battles and characters fighting to the utmost of their capabilities the difference in mental state between dark phoenix and the other phoenixes doesnt really matter.
Originally posted by zopzop
I see people keep mentioning Odin "destroying galaxies" when has this happened?Odin + Zeus + Vishnu couldn't even make Arshiem the Celestial flinch. Jean Grey using a sliver of Phoenix Force to marshal the combined pysches of a planet destroyed Arshiem's "Hand of Judgment".
The full blown Phoenix Force can destroy universes. This has been shown repeatedly on panel.
Odin and Thanos stand no chance.
Agreed.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Reed said that the Dark Phoenix was Galactus level. These two can team up with each other and still they would get stomped.
Where did he say that? I have an idea of what issue and instance you're referring to and if its the same one i have in mind then you've misinterpreted it. 😬