Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI'm not moaning. I'm just calling it what it was. PIS. If you want to cry because people don't accept it, then that's you, not me.
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. Besides, he has had better feats in my opinion.When did he one shot Surfer?
At least Superman had a reason. Sundip.
Surfer said he was going to start cutting lose. And... he's out. One shot if I recall correctly.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'm not moaning. I'm just calling it what it was. PIS. If you want to cry because people don't accept it, then that's you, not me.At least Superman had a reason. Sundip.
Surfer said he was going to start cutting lose. And... he's out. One shot if I recall correctly.
Your moaning (There's joke in there somewhere.) If there was PIS present in that arc, it sure was consistent. Blood and Thunder crossed over like 4 different titles.
Superman was outperforming his peers during that arc even without Sun Dip. You should read Kelly's interview of how powerful he considered Superman when he cut loose and was destroying the numerous probes. It's rather lol worthy.
Hahaha, yea. That was pretty great. But he did take blows from Thor previously so I don't think it's fair to Norrin to call it a one shot.
Nah, no amping. At least from any outside forces.
Blood and Thunder Thor is the level I picture Thor operates at when his in his Destroyer/Mangog/Celestial busting mode. At least he starts out at that level and goes up from there. Add's a bit more consistency to everything.
Thor's ability to hold back his power subconsciously isn't as well integrated into his history in comparison to Superman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuslol
Your moaning (There's joke in there somewhere.) That arc wasn't PIS.Superman was outperforming his peers throughout the arc even without Sun Dip. You should read Kelly's interview of how powerful he considered Superman when he cut loose and was destroying the numerous probes. It's rather lol worthy.
Hahaha, yea. That was pretty great. But he did take blows from Thor previously so I don't think it's fair to Norrin to call it a one shot.
Right, the Probes. I'm not so sure that's all throughout the arc. More like one factor. And that type of stuff happens all the time in comics. What rarely happens though, is someone actually making almost all their peers looks like jokes to them in a direct fight. Teams, 1v1, etc. Superman outperformed them, he didn't go and massacre them.
Kelly is a fanboy, I realize.
Not really any sort of significant blows. Except the one that laid him out at the start...
Originally posted by King Castle
same place where the warrior madness power/strength originates from.
mhmm
I'd say that Thor doesn't receive a boost from Warrior Madness. The earliest evidence I've seen to support that was a statement from Bill in the 90's.
In Thor #502 he stated he can get up to ten times stronger in a Berserker Rage. That state was explained as Thor clearing his mind of everything and entering a mindless battle passion. Unfortunately he couldn't enter it at the time. He theorized that after years of trying to be human, he had finally become too human to fight as a God. Mental blocks can kiss my ass.
Still, I can see your reasoning.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
lol
That arc was one of the worst in terms of PIS. Wouldn't expect you to understand though.Right, the Probes. I'm not so sure that's all throughout the arc. More like one factor. And that type of stuff happens all the time in comics. What rarely happens though, is someone actually making almost all their peers looks like jokes to them in a direct fight. Teams, 1v1, etc. Superman outperformed them, he didn't go and massacre them.
Kelly is a fanboy, I realize.Not really any sort of significant blows. Except the one that laid him out at the start...
Lol, I understand PIS very well. Fortunately I'm primarily a Thor fan so I have nothing to complain about. Still, I find it hard to believe that the writers of said arc didn't know of the capabilities of Surfer and co. Ron Marz and Starlin were the ones who primarily wrote this.
True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.
I'm pretty sure he slapped him around a bit, and Norrin didn't take those attacks with a smile. He wouldn't have been completely at 100% either way. Would have been fun if he was however.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I'd accept an amp.But as of right, I just can't accept this as any sort of indication of how a battle would go of his peers.
As long as you admit it would have been Thor simply tapping more into his own inner -and accessible 😉- strength rather than him getting an amp from an outside source, I'm fine with it. I however would say he was simply cutting loose in comparison to usual holding back but I don't care enough to argue this. Those stupid arguments the Power Cosmic fans spout out to help themselves sleep at night is what I won't agree with for certain.
Lol.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI know you understand PIS, you screamed it when Hulk beat Thor.
Lol, I understand PIS very well. Fortunately I'm primarily a Thor fan so I have nothing to complain about. Still, I find it hard to believe that the writers of said arc didn't know of the capabilities of Surfer and co. Ron Marz and Starlin were the ones who primarily wrote this.True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.
I'm pretty sure he slapped him around a bit, and Norrin didn't take those attacks with a smile. He wouldn't have been completely at 100% either way. Would have been fun if he was however.
True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.
He didn't really hit him hard though. Plus he pretty much took him out at the start of the battle too...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusFunny how you talk about other fans with a post like this...
As long as you admit it would have been Thor simply tapping more into his own inner -and accessible 😉- strength rather than him getting an amp from an outside source, I'm fine with it. I however would say he was simply cutting loose in comparison to usual holding back but I don't care enough to argue this. Those stupid arguments the Power Cosmic fans spout out to help themselves sleep at night is what I won't agree with for certain.Lol.
Originally posted by kgkg2 snaps and a twist?
Snap.
I've seen people argue that Thor was drawing on the Odin Power or some bullshit in the past. Seemed to genuinely believe it to.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I know you understand PIS, you screamed it when Hulk beat Thor.
Well versed people can still write shit. Also, Starlin/Marz makes sense... if that's the case, they were just setting it up for Thanos to have a good showing.True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.
He didn't really hit him hard though. Plus he pretty much took him out at the start of the battle too...
Link? When the Hulk one shot came out, I was a bit annoyed, but I don't think I ever screamed PIS. As I recall, the main discussion took place in the Thor thread. You can go take a look if you want. It's one thing for a random one shot by an unknown writer to have some bullshit -said writer even had Banner suggest it was incorrect memory- but for it to be present across 4 different titles for multiple issues under different writers? Yea....
If it helps you sleep at night, you can scream PIS all you want.
Let's not forget that generic Probes were played up as extremely powerful. Look at what they did to JLA. Taking on an army of them is as probably as close as Superman could get to beating up the JLA without actually doing it.
He was knocked down, but not out in the beginning of the issue.
Originally posted by King CastleSexy.
2 snaps and a twist?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhy would I look for that? The mere fact that you had to talk with the writer about it means you were pretty bothered by it. Probably a little more than merely screaming PIS...
I've seen people argue that Thor was drawing on the Odin Power or some bullshit in the past. Seemed to genuinely believe it to.Link? When the Hulk one shot came out, I was a bit annoyed, but I don't think I ever screamed PIS. As I recall, the main discussion took place in the Thor thread. You can go take a look if you want. It's one thing for a random one shot by an unknown writer to have some bullshit -said writer even had Banner suggest it was incorrect memory- but for it to be present across 4 different titles for multiple issues under different writers? Yea....
If it helps you sleep at night, you can scream PIS all you want.
Let's not forget that generic Probes were played up as extremely powerful. Look at what they did to JLA. Taking on an army of them is as probably as close as Superman could get to beating up the JLA without actually doing it.
He was knocked down, but not out in the beginning of the issue.
I haven't screamed PIS. I've claimed it was PIS. You however, were so bothered by this you decided to argue with me about it.
I figured merely repeating you would stop you talking about it. But you feel the need to still argue about it when I use your own words... lol.
Anyway, like you said yourself, it's different. Like I said, it happens all the time in comics. Hope just did it against the barrier Thor tried his hardest to break. Surfer beat Firelord many times, when Thor could only stalemate him. Surfer beat Bill. Surfer destroyed Rune's hand with the IG... If ABC logic sates your appetite, then I'm sure you'll be happy with everyone else doing it as well.
Anyway, Thor destroyed everyone of his peers. People that were as strong as him, as powerful, as versatile. He didn't merely run through probes using powers that his peers lacked (IE, strength on his level, blasts on his level, etc). Flash, Kyle, and Wonder Woman I believe all lack Superman's power for destruction, in this ABC comparison. The people Thor crushed were seen as almost every way his equals in power. Crushing your actual peers > crushing Canon fodder.
I can't believe I even need to explain this.
Like I said, pretty much took him out.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes. But one instance of PIS is better than a whole arc of it.
So BRB toppling him with a flurry of blows is even more PIS since Bill was weakened and Thor was "amped"? mhmm