strength has nothing to do with spirituality...
and it was made clear that thor's soul was unbalanced and the cause for his madness... to the point it was effecting reality in the form of the Valkyrie that adam could see it via his soul gem..
to say thor should be normally resistant to a soul attack b/c of that story arc is being very disingenuous
now you are making jokes b/c some one actually knows when to call BS on your comment..
fact: warlock never hit hercules with his karmic blast..
fact: warlock summoned his staff instead to face herc... herc slammed him and grabbed him by the collar which would have bn a perfect time to ko herc with a blast instead warlock was taken by surprise as he saw vision rise from the ground and phase through herc and ko him.
^ leonidas is to blame. sneer
Him and his perfidious lies:
Such perfidiciously pervident perfidy should not be tolerated. uhuh
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't scream PIS which I assume was a major point as you claimed I did to prove a point. Or something. I forget.Me bitching and moaning about the fight and the writer is standard fanboy shit. Do you want me to post my actual discussions with the writer?
I'm well aware of what I said by the way. I went back to that thread and re-read -most as I don't have the time to search every post- what I posted.
You whined about it. You whined about how it didn't make sense. You whined about the writer not know what he's doing. You whined about it being canon. You whined directly to the writer. You whined about the contradictions, etc. Explain to me how that's any different than screaming PIS... actually, explain how it's any better. You used the definition of PIS to describe it, without actually using the word PIS.
Right. Now you're aware. No problem Rage, it only took you a little nagging to go get me to find your quotes. 👆
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I can read. I just decided to point out some information that I remembered. You're acting as if there was anything to dispute.
There isn't anything to actually dispute in reality. Considering this is irrelevant to anything from Blood and Thunder.
More so you bringing up irrelevancy and trying to pass it off as something meaningful.
It's kept my interest so far though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*Sigh*So how else is the writer supposed to indicate the probes were legitimate threats outside of word service?
I pointed out that the Probes were able to beat the JLA because they lacked the raw power. This is what makes Superman defeating them so impressive. He did something his other peers were unable to accomplish. You can't simply write off the intentions of the event -Superman outperforming his peers- as simple ABC logic.
I don't recall any heroes defeating the Probes without any amps or weapons off the top of my head.
If you can acknowledge what he did, then why is this such a big discussion? Superman defeated Probes that defeated the JLA. He directly outperformed them, showing he has more raw power than they do (At least in that story) which is a big deal (At least to me) Why does such a simple observation cause so much problems with you?
I wasn't writing it off as ABC logic (that's what you were using), I was 'writing it off' as Superman having more raw power than them. Which is why he was able to, and they weren't. Like I've said quite a few times now.
Because you're making it a big discussion. lol.
I've said at least two times I repeated what you wrote and you argued about it. I've said Superman used raw power that his teammates lacked. I'm not even sure what the **** you're looking at at this point in time, but it's confusing the shit out of me. You're just arguing just to argue at this point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOr that he beat a villian Thor couldn't. Right context matters, but at the end of the day, Surfer beat Durok when Thor couldn't. He used his own powers to beat him. Just like Superman used powers unique to him to beat the Probes...
Like I said, context matters. Silver Surfer defeated Durok by using time travel. You can use that as evidence that Norrin is more resourceful than Thor or at least uses his versatility more often. That's fine.Once again, context matters. Mrrungu Mu’s troops defeated Thor and all the other superhumans –except a few- off panel, most likely with a surprise attack like they did against Richards. Mrrungu Mu was treating Norrin like a child I believe until his power supply was cut off.
What? You need to re-read that issue.
It doesn't have to be the same exact comic. Where did I say it was overlooked? Can you not read? I simply stated it would not be as definitive/concrete. I thought it would be obvious that Thor performing or accomplishing something that Surfer could not in the same story would be more impressive than him accomplish something that Norrin could not decades before or later. You have to apply some common sense to these things. There might be other factors, like character’s holding back specifically etc. It all depends on the scenes.
Have you understood how stupid and idiotic it is to write off direct comparison as ABC logic? Do you not see the flaw in this stance?
How exactly is that context when you're assuming?
Also, Thor seemingly engaged against Murrungo on the ship (well, he was there), and no one was left standing. Seemed to indicate Thor was swiftly defeated like everyone else.
Funny how you forget the context on the important part... like Surfer fought Murrungo at half power and was giving him a fight. Better than the Earth heroes who engaged him on his ship anyway.
Right, weakened Surfer got Millennius to admit he couldn't beat him. Said he was done. Then cheapshotted Surfer afterwards.
Then after this, Thor hits him twice, and Surfer finished him off. Either way, Surfer did better than Thor.
I know it doesn't have to be the exact same comic. Same arc/writers I should have said, but then again, I didn't expect Mr Literal to make an appearance.
Which would be overlooked. You're overlooking it because it's not the same comic arc. You're more willing to accept it just because it is from the same arc. When you don't realise that that's just up to one writer's perspective... Before you bring up Blood and Thunder being written by two writers, that was under the same arc, and they obviously consulted each other before they finished... If a writer thinks that Cap could kick the shit out of Spider-Man, then he's going to write that in the comic. Does this have to be a definitive example of how a fight between them would go? No, of course not.
Also, you should switch that comparison. It should be Surfer accomplishing things Thor couldn't do...
Anyway, yes, I agree, these factors matter. Holding back, their own power levels, etc.
The only thing we can really gather from these 'indirect' (because let's be honest, OWAW was an indirect comparison) comparisons is who's more durable, and who's more powerful phsycially. Not who would win a fight, and very rarely what level to place them on.
Yes. But you're not merely using this as his strength or power is higher, you're saying that this 'might' put Superman above the League.
Which is ABC logic.
League>Probes>Superman
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnyway. Powers make fights, like I said. Just because Superman beat a being they had trouble with, doesn't mean he'd sweep through them. More powerful though than any of them? Yes, which I never argued against, and actually supported.
facepalmExcept I'm not.
My argument is that Superman showed in direct comparison, that he has more raw power than his usual peers when pushed in that story. That to me is impressive and something that I think is worth highlighting.
Except you are.
I'm pretty sure that was my argument... in fact, I was the one who brought up the raw power angle... and then you said it, and then... in fact, that's what both of us are saying. 😐
Anyway... he's always had more raw power than those leaguers, which is why with a little 'amp', he's able to do things that make them look weak in comparison. But that's not their powers... raw power that is. Flash, Cryle, especially. MM? Well, let's be honest, he sucks. WW? Well, she's only his 'peer' because of her fighting skills and strength combo`, plus she wasn't part of the league that the Probe stomped.
The only things they actually beat that actually have merit to be on Superman's level is Zod, which is iffy. If the Probe smacked around an actual even in his power like Marvel, and Superman was able to that to it? Well, I might be a little more accepting of it, and it would be a better comparison to Thor, who actually stomped his real peers. Multiple of them.
The difference is though, is that I haven't used this logic to imply in any way Superman could beat the League the Probe fought, or imply it was the even close to being the same at all. Individual fights? Yes. I'm wholly acceptive of this being an indication of how powerful Superman is. I'm not however, acceptive of this being any indication of how a fight against the League the Probe fought would go, or how this could be any indication of Superman indirectly beating the League. That would be ABC logic.
To put it simpler, since I know you're going to skew the hell out of that...
Superman beating Probes that the League couldn't doesn't mean much outside him being more powerful than them. Like I said, he outperformed them, he didn't massacre them... which is what your posts imply when you say 'it will do as secondary evidence', or when you bring this up parallel to Thor, whether you want to portray that message or not. That's all.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, I really don't. OWAW was the best Superman era I could think off of the top of my head.Lol. I said that Blood and Thunder was to Thor as OWAW was to Superman. I was going to use a Hulk/World War Hulk example and simply used Superman because I thought he was closer to Thor. I wasn't trying to use OWAW to justify Thor's strength in Blood and Thunder. That would be what other Thor feats are for. 🙂
I personally don't subscribe to the idea Superman has true dynamic strength.
Right, or it's not. Good thing you didn't use the Hulk one either, since he was amped up beyond his usual as well... unless you're implying Thor was amped, since thats what Thor would have to share with Hulk, and Superman for these to ring true...
Funny enough, I wouldn't have minded a feat off with you.. honestly, I expected it. But this is far removed from mentioning any feats. I mean, you think you struck gold with the Superman example, so why need Thor feats?
Doesn't matter if you subscribe to it or not, that was the reason given of why Superman was doing what he was doing. It's not merely an opinion, unless of course, you're claiming PIS... 😖hifty:
Either way, don't care about the specifics, but I'm sure you'd love to take it up with your equal Avalon, about Superman's dynamic strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, I really don't. Initiate an argument? Lol. You entered this thread moaning about P.I.S. like some f*cking child, and I took the liberty of trying to address your points. Just because I'm discussing something with you, it doesn't mean I give a shit. If I cared that much, I'd have had a breakdown by now.
And you didn't try to address any points. In what world is this addressing any points?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer gets one shotted by Thor.
Thor beats the ass out of Adam and Surfer.
Thor one shots Drax with the PG.
Thor beats up Maxam and Drax with PG.Ya, the series was PIS.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. Besides, he has had better feats in my opinion.When did he one shot Surfer?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. That event was co-ordinated by like three different writers. One -two if you count Starlin- of which wrote a great deal of Surfer's own series.When did he one shot Surfer?
The only points being addressed now or then by you, is from us talking about OWAW.
Right, you don't care. Except when you have an argument everytime someone says something negative about Thor. It's almost like you like the way Quan defends his character so much, that you've adopted it into your own debating 'style'.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If we get to refuse anything that we don't like, then this board would go downhill.facepalm Yea, I'm sure there's only two people who have used that arc or accepted it as proof. Even on this board. Meh, you can expect some Thanos wank when it's written by Starlin. Of course I love the first half. It was great for Thor. I never denied that.
Haha what? When have I not accepted the Thanos part recently? I've come out directly and said I'm completely fine with the Thanos/Thor fight on multiple occasions you idiot.
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Right, I said only like. It's meant to be a rough estimate, not taken literally.
Sorry, too confusing for you. I meant there's a low number of people who accept that story.
There's you, Soujaboy (who's likely dead), and ODG apparently. Really the only people I've ever seen defend this arc.
When you argue against Thanos beating regular Thor easily. Did you even read the rest of that sentence? A pic of Thor's cock must have diverted your attention mid sentence.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't work that way but you can do whatever you like. I'll just note to avoid logical arguments with you because you're special and get to choose and pick what counts and what doesn't. 👆The time Thor was shot by a bullet? Instead of using something resembling an actual argument and the multiple instances that contradict it, I'll simply stick my head up my ass and scream PIS.
I would.
Either way, you haven't actually made one case, or even close to it of why exactly this should be accepted. All you've done is go off tangent, and use Superman as an example. It certainly doesn't help me explain why exactly I can't state it's PIS, and call it a day.
K, cool. Except the part where I said what was PIS, why it was PIS, etc. The only thing I missed was everyone's durability feats that contradict the BnT arc.
I know you would. If Thor killed LT tomorrow, I'd have no doubt you'd cling to that like cold death for years to come.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRight, pretty much took him out.
I don't consider Thor stunning a Norrin who isn't directly fighting back for at best a panel as him taking Norrin out.
Probably missed something, probably wrote something dumb... doesn't matter, I'm tired, and out of time.
Long story short...
Superman OWAW =/= Thor's BnT
And Blood and Thunder isn't the definitive answer to this thread. 😬