Originally posted by peejayd
* you just think i'm giving my own interpretation, but i'm actually not... 😛
What I should have said was, then you can never know if you are wrong. Actually, if you are right, you can never be wrong. Doesn't it feel good to always be right? It kind of makes you better then everyone else around you. How does it feel to be so great?
* i feel blessed and lucky! 😛 no, you just said what you've said... we both know you don't believe in the Bible, right? and that's all you can think of - that i'm always wrong because i'm giving my own interpretation... if that's so, Bible verses are unnecessary, i should've wrote rants and rants without any Biblical references whatsoever... 🙄
Originally posted by peejayd
* i feel blessed and lucky! 😛 no, you just said what you've said... we both know you don't believe in the Bible, right? and that's all you can think of - that i'm always wrong because i'm giving my own interpretation... if that's so, Bible verses are unnecessary, i should've wrote rants and rants without any Biblical references whatsoever... 🙄
No. You complete got it wrong. I know exactly what you are talking about. I believed in it, long ago. You really feel like something is turning the pages for you. Different parts seem to click together, and create different ideas. These ideas all seem to come together in someway. This feeling pushes you on to learn more. I get the same feeling when I read the Lotus Sutra. It is like, you can tell when the words fit together. This is just your brain looking at something abstract, and finding a solution. The Lotus Sutra was written for this effect, and so was parts of the bible. But the bible is a collection of different writing, over time. You believe a supernatural being has authored this effect, but I tell you that it is just a product of your imagination. It is nothing more then emotional feedback. You read one part of the bible, and then you search for another part that seems to fit together. This creates a rush of realization, which feels really good. So good, that you keep going. You are only fooling yourself. But why would you believe me? I offer you nothing, and the truth is way overrated. You see, I really don’t disbelieve the bible; I disbelieve you, and people like you, but nothing personal.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You see, I really don’t disbelieve the bible;
🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are only fooling yourself. But why would you believe me? I offer you nothing, and the truth is way overrated.
* that's the way it should be... 😆
* if you claim you don't "disbelieve" the Bible, you are only fooling yourself... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
🙄* that's the way it should be... 😆
* if you claim you don't "disbelieve" the Bible, you are only fooling yourself... 😉
The fact it was written by humans tells me a lot about humans; that I can believe. If you read the OT, you can find examples of many things in life, and lessons can be drawn form these stories. However, there is nothing mystical about the bible. What you say is in the bible, is not there. When I read the verses that you post, I get a completely different meaning. The reason for that is because context of some parts of the bible are ether lost over time, or were never there to begin with. So, it comes down to yours interpretation verses mine. Of course your ego will tell you that yours is right, but nether are right. They are just interpretations of abstract pieces of text thrown together by your imagination.
I see you didn't read the rest of my post.
Dunno if this has been asked before, but has anyone ever seen God. Taking the the following versus into consideration.
In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
But...
Genesis 32:30 records Jacob as saying: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Exodus 24:11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Exodus 33:11 The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
that´s what I call contradiction in action.🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, it comes down to yours interpretation verses mine. Of course your ego will tell you that yours is right,
* so there are two interpretations (yours and mine)… but only one (me) has an ego? I do admit when I'm wrong though… unlike you, you think all people who believe in the Bible are Bible-worshippers and have delusions… who has the ego now? 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
but nether are right.
* if neither are right, then how much better is your interpretation from mine? your argument is pretty absurd and has huge loopholes… and it just kicks right back at you… 😆
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Dunno if this has been asked before, but has anyone ever seen God. Taking the the following versus into consideration.In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
But...
Genesis 32:30 records Jacob as saying: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Exodus 24:11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Exodus 33:11 The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
that´s what I call contradiction in action.
* there's no contradiction… no one really saw the Father… it was revealed that:
"And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed."
Exodus 3:2
"And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai."
Acts 7:30
"This Moses whom they rejected, saying, Who made you a ruler and a judge? is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the bush."
Acts 7:35
* what they thought was God the Father, was actually an Angel portraying "God"… 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* if neither are right, then how much better is your interpretation from mine? your argument is pretty absurd and has huge loopholes… and it just kicks right back at you… 😆
The bible is just a book, and no interpretation can make it any more the just a book. But that is not why I said "but nether are right". The fact that you separated the two parts, shows that you have no understanding.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so there are two interpretations (yours and mine)… but only one (me) has an ego? I do admit when I'm wrong though… unlike you, you think all people who believe in the Bible are Bible-worshippers and have delusions… who has the ego now? 🙄* if neither are right, then how much better is your interpretation from mine? your argument is pretty absurd and has huge loopholes… and it just kicks right back at you… 😆
* there's no contradiction… no one really saw the Father… it was revealed that:
"And [b]the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush
. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed."
Exodus 3:2"And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai."
Acts 7:30"This Moses whom they rejected, saying, Who made you a ruler and a judge? is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the bush."
Acts 7:35* what they thought was God the Father, was actually an Angel portraying "God"… 😉 [/B]
Why don´t you adress the versus I added instead of bringing new ones into the fray? It´s like someone asking "what´s 2 + 2" and answering well "2 x 6 = 12".
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Why don´t you adress the versus I added instead of bringing new ones into the fray? It´s like someone asking "what´s 2 + 2" and answering well "2 x 6 = 12".
I see what peejayd did. He traded contradiction for flat out wrong. What I mean is, he is saying that the bible is not contradicting itself, instead when the bible says that someone saw god, the bible is just wrong.