Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I see what peejayd did. He traded contradiction for flat out wrong. What I mean is, he is saying that the bible is not contradicting itself, instead when the bible says that someone saw god, the bible is just wrong.
But that´s impossible, it was influences by an infallable God creator of the universe.!! 😮💨
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible is just a book, and no interpretation can make it any more the just a book. But that is not why I said "but nether are right". The fact that you separated the two parts, shows that you have no understanding.
* you're getting personal now… isn't that against your "moral standards", mr.buddhist? don't be so touchy… 😉
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Why don´t you adress the versus I added instead of bringing new ones into the fray? It´s like someone asking "what´s 2 + 2" and answering well "2 x 6 = 12".
* it's obvious you didn't get my point… they (Moses, Jacob, all OT characters) thought that the angel they saw was God Himself… I just gave you verses to justify the scenario you think are contradicting… NT revealed several conflicting scenarios like this from the OT, to add to the mix:
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen."
I Timothy 6:16
* be gentle to Christians... no one's quarreling anyone... 😆
I don´t think Moses who had a lot to do with the almighty would mistake him for an angel, after all God kept going on about how kind, loving, jeleous etc HE is. An angel wouldn´t use the "I" form protraying itself as God.
I personally think the OT and NT are so different they have nothing to do with each other.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I don´t think Moses who had a lot to do with the almighty would mistake him for an angel, after all God kept going on about how kind, loving, jeleous etc HE is. An angel wouldn´t use the "I" form protraying itself as God.I personally think the OT and NT are so different they have nothing to do with each other.
All of the bible is that way.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I don´t think Moses who had a lot to do with the almighty would mistake him for an angel, after all God kept going on about how kind, loving, jeleous etc HE is. An angel wouldn´t use the "I" form protraying itself as God.
* but the angel did portray himself as God, and that's what happened according to Saint Stephen:
"Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush.
This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made you a ruler and a judge? God sent as both ruler and deliverer by the hand of the angel that appeared to him in the bush.
This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living oracles to give to us."
Acts 7:30, 35, 38
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I personally think the OT and NT are so different they have nothing to do with each other.
* OT and NT go hand-in-hand in my opinion… most prophecies in OT are fulfilled in NT… 🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All of the bible is that way.
* yeah, right… we all know you, mr.shakyamunison… 🙄
by Bicnarok1. Jacob didn't see god, he saw the angel of god. 2 the people saw the glory of god in a cloud. Not god himself. it appears over the ark through out the bible. 3. the verse before also says it was a cloudy pillar and not actually god himself. Did you intentionally take them all out of context? The reason you can't see god and live is cuz u must b dead or transfigured to be with him in another dimension. moses was TF'd once and litterally saw god.
Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: ou cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son.
Genesis 32:30 records Jacob as saying: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Exodus 24:11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Exodus 33:11 The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return
Originally posted by long pig
And no, the old and new test in together seamlessly. mainly because only one thing changed. no more blood sacrifice. other than that, the law and all are basically unchanged.
Pretty sure there were at least a couple more of the OT laws Jesus' did away with than just that one.
Originally posted by long pig
like what? other than sacrifices it's the same. Food laws holy days and such are intact. Christians think they aren't but as a rule, 'christians' are ****ing stupid.
Off the top of my head and not in the "sacrifice", "holy days" and "food" category:
-Divorce
-Shaving of beards and certain haircuts
-Planting more than 2(or was it 3?) crops in a given area of land
-Owning slaves (I could be wrong here, Jesus might be okay with this one)
-Wearing of multiple textiles in clothing
-Fathers killing their daughters should they offend him/disobey his commands
-Dressing fashionably and wearing bling (I think this might apply only to women; men can roll as bling-bling as they please)
-Cutting off your wife's hand should it ever touch the testicles of another man, no matter the scenario
-Birth Control (ie wasting of a man's sperm)
These are some of the old laws (laws of the Jews) that Jesus did away with, according to Christian mythology (aka The New Testament).
Divorce Jesus didn't change divorce laws. He said it's not ok to divorce for 'any frivolous reason'. it must be a good reason.
Shaving of beards The bible says don't cut your hair in mourning like the pagans. meaning don't participate in pagan rituals. Still in effect.
Planting more than 2 crops in a landStill in effect. Crop rotation is done to this day. it has to
Owning slavesIt doesn't say slave in hebrew. it says paid servant. The biblical slaves had it made. still in effect
Wearing of multiple textiles was levite priest law to keep them pure. they on longer exist.
Fathers killing their daughters still in effect
Dressing fashionablyNever was a sin to dress nice. you misread. It only says don't dress like a whore.
Cutting off your wife's hand should it ever touch the testiclesyou misread again. It never says that.
wasting of a man's spermNever says anything about wasting sperm as a sin either, i don't think
Ha, no. Those were the laws before Jesus, then they changed.
Divorce isn't outlawed in the NT, was in the OT
Shaving of beards was not to be done in the OT; it's okay in the NT
Yeah, no. Farms today can bare more than two types of crops; it's not outlawed in the NT either, which is the point.
Na, slaves were fine to have in the OT, as long as they were foreigners.
Na, pretty sure this applied to all Jews.
It's not legal for a father it slay his daughter should she disobey in the NT. Unless there's something I missed?
As I said, might apply to women only.
Deuteronomy disagrees. It's ok to whack your wife's hand should it touch the fun-bag of another man. Not so in the OT.
OT does, a man's seed was sacred of sorts.
Originally posted by RobtardI seriously mean no disrespect, but i honestly question your ability to read. If he said he did away with the law that would mean he's a sinner, ( The definition of sin is transgresstion of the law. changing, adding and taking away from the law is a sin) disqualifing him as the messiah. He came to fulfill the law, which means obey it. Not do away with it. If i fulfill your wishes that means i obey them, not discard them. The word law refers to the entire OT. Prophicies and all. You are wrong about everything you've said so far. The only thing different is grace has entered the picture. Grace means no punishment, like having a grace period on your credit card. You catholic-spawned churchianity people are so ignorant of biblical truth it's painful.
Ha, no. Those were the laws before Jesus, then they changed..