Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Our culture which is so pro sexual assault?
Not exactly pro sexual assault, but not as against it as one may think.
Separation of men and women probably has more to do with the fact that about one in four women gets raped or sexually assaulted at some point in their lifetime, very few of those assaults actually get reported, and it's usually by someone they know.
Originally posted by Peach
Not exactly pro sexual assault, but not as against it as one may think.Separation of men and women probably has more to do with the fact that about one in four women gets raped or sexually assaulted at some point in their lifetime, very few of those assaults actually get reported, and it's usually by someone they know.
Though knowing the "someone they know" thing, is separate bathrooms really something that will protect women?
i never had a problem with homosexual men in the military but their are legitimate issues with why it would be currently unacceptable. the one main issue is good order and discipline basically logistics.
a straight man should not be forced nor ordered to room with a homosexual for one very obvious reason nor should two homosexuals room together.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Is it really though? Are there statistics on that?
How would you be able to get any sort of statistic on that? "I went into a women-only bathroom and was not assaulted".
There are, however, a lot of problems when it comes to rape/assault of women within the military.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30,0,510658.story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/military-rape-reports-ris_n_176106.html
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/
Originally posted by King Castle
i never had a problem with homosexual men in the military but their are legitimate issues with why it would be currently unacceptable. the one main issue is good order and discipline basically logistics.a straight man should not be forced nor ordered to room with a homosexual for one very obvious reason nor should two homosexuals room together.
Do the world a favor and actually read the thread before commenting. There's no 'obvious' reason someone who's gay can't room with someone who's straight.
Originally posted by King Castle
i have always had an issue with females in the marines for the various obvious reason of good order and discipline... too many times i have seen problems caused by females in the male ranks..never hid it in this form about how i feel about women in the marines.
Congrats for being part of the problem.
Originally posted by Peach
How would you be able to get any sort of statistic on that? "I went into a women-only bathroom and was not assaulted".There are, however, a lot of problems when it comes to rape/assault of women within the military.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30,0,510658.story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/military-rape-reports-ris_n_176106.html
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/Do the world a favor and actually read the thread before commenting. There's no 'obvious' reason someone who's gay can't room with someone who's straight.
You could for example look at the amount of sexual assaults committed in unisex bathrooms as opposed to separated ones.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I have no promblem with it at all.I think it makes sence and if the army or whatever does not want to know if you are gay or not I don't see why it would be a promblem.
Not wanting to know is fair enough. But then to throw you out if you find out about that trait is wrong.
i have given legitimate reasons why, from personal experience to simple logistical nightmares and one sided preparations for one group. also your links shows few of the problems.
that doesnt excuse them for their actions they should be stripped of their rank and in the brig for 20 some yrs if it was a just world i say rip off their balls and shuff it in their mouths.
my main issue is that the marines was designed purely for combat oriented MOS'es which should automatically exclude women from service. but, with modern warfare being as much bureaucratic paper pushing and non combat MOS'es now has openings for women to enlist in.
the marines is currently trying to get rid of noncombat oriented MOS'es and give them to the private sector which again would exclude women from serving due to the jobs being combat active
Originally posted by Peachi have read the thread i am all for DADT.. i just felt like commenting about opening allowing homosexuals to room with straight men. i disagree with you about no reason why a straight man should room with a homosexual.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30,0,510658.story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/military-rape-reports-ris_n_176106.html
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/Do the world a favor and actually read the thread before commenting. There's no 'obvious' reason someone who's gay can't room with someone who's straight.
i have bn aware of the worse thing that can happen when such a thing happens.
you might as well allow a man and woman to room together or share joint rooms which is not allowed in the military.
like i said good order and discipline. tell me would you right now strip and share a room with a random man?
Originally posted by King Castle
i have given legitimate reasons why, from personal experience to simple logistical nightmares and one sided preparations for one group. also your links shows few of the problems.that doesnt excuse them for their actions they should be stripped of their rank and in the brig for 20 some yrs if it was a just world i say rip off their balls and shuff it in their mouths.
my main issue is that the marines was designed purely for combat oriented MOS'es which should automatically exclude women from service. but, with modern warfare being as much bureaucratic paper pushing and non combat MOS'es now has openings for women to enlist in.
the marines is currently trying to get rid of noncombat oriented MOS'es and give them to the private sector which again would exclude women from serving due to the jobs being combat active
1. You have not given any legitimate reasons.
2. Women can and do serve in active combat.
3. Your personal misogynistic issues are off-topic.
tell me would you right now strip and share a room with a random man?
I have before. And believe me I know it was risky.
However, as has been pointed out, two guys (even if one is gay) sharing a room is not even close to being the same as a guy and a woman sharing a room.
Originally posted by King Castle
i have read the thread i am all for DADT.. i just felt like commenting about opening allowing homosexuals to room with straight men. i disagree with you about no reason why a straight man should room with a homosexual.i have bn aware of the worse thing that can happen when such a thing happens.
you might as well allow a man and woman to room together or share joint rooms which is not allowed in the military.
like i said good order and discipline. tell me would you right now strip and share a room with a random man?
The grand majority of the time, I'm willing to bet that if an openly gay soldier and a straight soldier who made it clear he wasn't interested roomed together, absolutely nothing would happen.
i have pointed it out in other threads in this forum. it has nothing to do with me being misogynistic but legitimate issues that arises from their presence.
either way i didnt want to derail the thread since it was off topic so i didnt get to into detail about it. but, here is the female in the military thread with some of the issues i mention.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t535178.html
back to the DADT i really dont have a problem with the policy.. i never had, the only problem that ever seems to occur is when ppl find out a person is homosexual which there are very few ways to find out.
the main one is that the homosexual actively pursues a straight man and ppl are made aware of the person's sexual orientation that way when it gets reported.
either way the homosexual is in clear violation of military regulation ignoring the fact that he is homosexual it is construed as sexual harassment and not factoring the rank difference that can also play a problem.
if a male or female military personal reported an incident with heterosexual male/female it would still be viewed the same minus the homosexual advances.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Here's an amazing fact: Homosexual and bisexual people are not all interested in any and every man within eyesight, nor are they all libido-controlled monsters who can't control their urges.The grand majority of the time, I'm willing to bet that if an openly gay soldier and a straight soldier who made it clear he wasn't interested roomed together, absolutely nothing would happen.
Why do you think it is so different for a female and a male in the same scenario?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why do you think it is so different for a female and a male in the same scenario?
Originally posted by King Castle
the main one is that the homosexual actively pursues a straight man and ppl are made aware of the person's sexual orientation that way when it gets reported.either way the homosexual is in clear violation of military regulation ignoring the fact that he is homosexual it is construed as sexual harassment and not factoring the rank difference that can also play a problem.
It's discrimination, plain and simple.